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eatntae 04-05-04 03:08 AM

I saw it earlier tonight, and I enjoyed it. It wasn't great, but definitely not bad. However, I was pretty disappointed with the ending. Bottom line: I was entertained.

My favorite part was when
Spoiler:
Hellboy threw a rock at Meyers' head


EDIT: Oh yeah,
Spoiler:
if Hellboy could bring Liz back from the other side (I'm assuming this means bring her back to life), why did he even begin unlocking the gate? He said he was going to do it for Liz, but he could've just fought the bad guy (forgot his name) and not worry about the big demon at the end.

Jackskeleton 04-05-04 03:16 AM


Hi guys:

I am so happy. I feel really delighted with our weekend. Just last friday there were a lot of naysayers that kept predicting we would do between 15-18 mill at the box office. Others kept saying that the critics were never going to get the movie etc, etc... Well, the movie connected with the audience and -in spite of direct competition from other movies- made a whooping $23.5 million dollars opening weekend. #1 position and with an increedible critical reception. VARIETY, NY TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, WALL STREET JOURNAL, JOEL SIEGEL, LA WEEKLY, etc, etc, etc As a matter of fact we rated around 7-3 positive reviews or over in all media. The only high-profile negatives I could spot were Roeper and USA Today. This from a movie that costed almost the same as WALKING TALL with no "marquee name" star and adapted from an "unproven" comic book. I feel very happy and hope you feel the same way. Most of you bguys have been along for the ride. It's not over -not yet- but we have reached port safely and happily. We are starting editing the "EXTENDED EDITION" which features around 20 minutes more of material (mainly focused on relationships) and new VFX. As I write this I feel the overwhelming need to say "Thank you" to each and all of you guys. Spread the word. Be "out there" and by all means drop me a line or two about the reactions in your thetre, etc, etc and those that saw it with you.

Miss you much. Stay in touch...

GDT
off the hellboy site. :)

So the dvd will be packed. Can't wait. :) and no mention of buying a ticket for hellboy and sneaking in to see jeresy girl... ;)

Trigger 04-05-04 03:21 AM

Was that guy in 5th grade?

Jackskeleton 04-05-04 03:35 AM

Born in mexico, He curses like no one's business and is really a cool guy in person. Very much a director for the fans as he values all of them.

profbobo 04-05-04 04:25 AM


Originally posted by rushmore223
BUT (SPOILERS BELOW! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!)

I really liked this movie. I am slightly aware of the comic because of a friend, but I had never read one in my life. The movie left me with alot of questions, and I do feel as though they must have deleted alot from the movie to keep it under 2 hours. Thought the characters were well thought out, the acting was fine (for this kind of movie) and I liked the story. I did feel the pacing was a little slow, and the action sequences had trouble getting off the ground, yet still, I liked it.

Most of my questions have more to do with not knowing backstory on the characters I guess.

Are Abe and Liz supposed to basically be mutants? Is Abe some species not originally from Earth or just one that has remained undiscovered (save for Abe of course) ?
Spoiler:
Nobody really knows what Abe's backstory is; as far as I know, not even Abe does ... they found him in a tube, and that's that. I'm sure it'll be revealed down the line, but nobody knows yet. Liz is just an anomaly, I think; I always equated her outbursts like seizures of sorts, except other people got harmed ... makes her quite the tortured soul.


Why was the FBI guy there at all? They say he was chosen cause he was Pure Of Heart, but how did they know that before meeting him? And what difference would his purity have made in this movie? Apparently the only purpose he served was to slap the hell out of Selma Blair. His character seemed to acheive little or nothing, with the exception of being Hellboys conscience at the end.
Spoiler:
They added Myers as a point of entry for the audience, methinks ... he will probably play a bigger role in the second movie (if there is one).


Takes Hellboy all of 30 seconds to defeat the Demon God??? Would have thought it would have been harder. At least as tough as a few Sammeals. Oh well.
Spoiler:
Yeah, I thought the end was a little short coming out of the theater, but it seems more appropriate in retrospect; any longer and it would have seemed drawn out. As far as fighting it, versus fighting the Sammaels, he had huge grenades the second time around :)


Kroenan, what kept this guy Alive/Animated?? What did his Addiction to Surgery have to do with this? Last I heard you needed Blood, not sand to keep living.
Spoiler:
Bruttenholm suggests that Rasputin's powers are keeping him alive ("I see the puppet, but not the puppetmaster").

Thats all for now.


Trigger 04-05-04 06:26 AM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Born in mexico, He curses like no one's business and is really a cool guy in person. Very much a director for the fans as he values all of them.
ahh... GDT = Guillermo Del Toro... dur... Looked like that was written by a very young fan.

Jules Winfield 04-05-04 12:48 PM

Hopefully the extended edition is better because the movie sucked. I really wanted to like it and I normally do like comic book movies but it was the worst one I've probably ever seen. The character of Hellboy was great but it just seemed to me he was stuck in a movie that wasn't very good. The villains weren't threatening, I didn't feel too much of the emotion that they tried to force in, and it just felt off to me for some reason. Pretty dissapointed since all the fanboys were hyping it up. They put down the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix sequels and praise stuff like this? I don't get it. Maybe they edited all the good stuff out and will put it in the longer cut. At least I hope so. :o

Trigger 04-05-04 01:08 PM

Yeah - Nazis as the antagonist is one of the most overplayed cliches ever... how about coming up with something new. Well, I guess wind-up ninja assassin nazis are kinda new, but still... *yawn*

Giles 04-05-04 01:12 PM


Originally posted by Rammsteinfan
Wow, I am surprised. Alot if not most of the ppl in the theatre here were laughing, cheering, and even a few claps during some good scenes. I think I will go see it again just for fun. I cant wait for the SE dvd later this year.
for a Friday opening day afternoon screening, the people at the show I was at didn't emit any sort of emotion.

General question (to those who saw it):

How was your "audience experience" when seeing "Hellboy"?

Trigger 04-05-04 02:43 PM

Audience was quiet - after it was over, they all shuffled out... they seemed as bored as I was. Maybe our theater put drugs in our mtn dew.

Supermallet 04-05-04 02:45 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
off the hellboy site. :)
For a guy who railed so much about a duplicate DOTD thread, I'm surprised you posted this after I clearly posted it a page back.

Shame on you! :p

Groucho 04-05-04 02:49 PM


Originally posted by Giles
How was your "audience experience" when seeing "Hellboy"?
Pretty muted, except for one old lady who turned to her husband about halfway through and asked "Who's Rasputin?" (I kid you not)

Supermallet 04-05-04 02:53 PM

All four times I saw it, the audience was completely caught up in the spirit of the film. You guys got some lame audiences.

sundog 04-05-04 03:00 PM

Okay, Hellboy had me on the fence for a while after the credits rolled. I think it has to do with the similarity between the film and the comic. I didn't know what to think of it. What I mean is, Mignola's style and del Toro's mise-en-scene. They are both less concerned with continuity than mood. It wasn't until the first few non-action scenes rolled that the mimicry of the comic book became apparent. This movie could work, a la La Jetee as stills.

Also mimicked, and almost duplicated, is Mignola's casual dialogue, which provided some really nice moments. Unfortunately, clunky exposition degrades the charm of the "smaller" dialogue. In comic books, dialogue and exposition can be separated stylistically. In this movie, their coexistance and formal similarity is disrupting.

So did this make me like or dislike the film?

I like Hellboy, the movie. I like it better than most comic book adaptations out there, more than either X-men, more than Spider-man (though it's an excellent action movie), but not more than Hulk, which I consider the pinnacle of this recent splurge. Both Hulk and Hellboy say a lot ABOUT comic books in their execution and style, and I consider that much more interesting than just a typical action film populated by fondly remembered characters.

Now I don't consider either to be masterpieces, or even completely successful. They both suffer from well thought out characterization that gets misplaced inside the absurd premise. In both Hulk and Hellboy I understand the people, and their motivations, but was never immersed in any of the characters. There's just too much about them explicitly stated rather than communicated through less-overt means (with the exception of Ron Perlman).

Let me get to Ron Perlman. Excellent job. That's it. I'm done.

Or not.

For some reason he reminded me of Randolph Scott in some great Budd Boetticher western: gruff, surly, detached, but smart and noble. (actually I have a good reason for the comparison, watched Scott in Comanche Station last week).

And the audience Sunday afternoon was cheerfully into it.

Jackskeleton 04-05-04 03:21 PM


Originally posted by Suprmallet
For a guy who railed so much about a duplicate DOTD thread, I'm surprised you posted this after I clearly posted it a page back.

Shame on you! :p

Sorry, I didn't read the page back as it was full of filler crap that was off subject. Besides, I didn't start a one and only thread. Repost and New threads are two different worlds.

: Does a Going to see kill bill Vol 2 and you aint dance:

zero 04-05-04 03:32 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Sorry, I didn't read the page back as it was full of filler crap that was off subject. Besides, I didn't start a one and only thread. Repost and New threads are two different worlds.

: Does a Going to see kill bill Vol 2 and you aint dance:

WT....:(

Supermallet 04-05-04 05:36 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
: Does a Going to see kill bill Vol 2 and you aint dance:
Well, I, uh...screw you.

:D

Jackskeleton 04-05-04 05:37 PM

And the gun sold outtttt. 1,000 units at $299.99 = :eek:

Kudama 04-05-04 05:57 PM


Originally posted by Pillowhead
Did it jump parts at all in the film?
Spoiler:
The part after Selma Blair lets the fire out, the next thing I know Hellboy is in shackles and Selma's on a table. Did I miss something?

Suprmallet already fielded this, but one more thing deserves mention.
Spoiler:
Before having Kroenen kill Dr. Bruttenholm, Rasputin basically tells him that he’s been baiting a trap (Something he pretty much was already figuring out after putting those torn bits of parchment together) and that his very corpse would be the one to deliver the bait (the location of the tomb).
If that scene had been anything but a jarring cut then the transition would have been redundant and insulting. Without knowing this, the scene when Raspy makes Liz dream of fire would have made no sense at all.
Ebert missed this part as well according to his Sun Times review, so I wouldn’t feel too bad.


Originally posted by Trigger
Yeah - Nazis as the antagonist is one of the most overplayed cliches ever... how about coming up with something new. Well, I guess wind-up ninja assassin nazis are kinda new, but still... *yawn*
A lot of critics said the same thing.
Spoiler:
The thing is, there weren’t any Nazis in the movie after the opening credits (unless a piece of gold can be considered a Nazi).
Kroenen was a member of the Thule Society. Rasputin was a servant of Ogdru Jahad and Ilsa, if she was once a Nazi, was loyal to Rasputin. These guys were all using the Reich’s resources under the pretense that what they were doing would benefit Hitler.
Unless those bitchin’ looking monsters floating in space were Nazis, this wasn’t about the Reich. I don’t see how everyone missed this simple fact. There are way more actual Nazis in later story arcs in the comic, but this wasn’t one of those arcs.

Supermallet 04-05-04 06:07 PM

Ahh, so he's head of the Thule Society. I kept thinking Bruttenholm was saying "Head of the Cthulu Cult Society," which I thought was a nod to Lovecraft (as if there weren't enough nods already).

profbobo 04-06-04 12:49 AM

About the "missing footage," Guillermo confirmed that several theaters have taken the fade to absolute black as an end marker for the reel, so they're missing about 45 seconds of footage.


Hi guys!

We got some complaints of HB copies that were screening without 45 seconds at the end of reel 5.

We have been able to spot AND stop concretely one in Oregon. You see AFTER Liz explodes there is a FADE OUT to absolute black and some projectionists are taking it as a cue for the reel bein OVER. IT IS NOT.

In Oregon for example they had plattered the film incorrectly on Thursday night and cut off the last scene of reel 5. Complaints came in on Friday and Saturday and the print was corrected on Saturday night and it is correct now.

Now all copies are printed CORRECTLY but may be screened w/ that 45 seconds missing by omission in the "assembly" of the platter.

The copy you view need to have the following scenes:

A) HB is attacked (SPOILERS FRON NOW ON) Liz explodes. A rock hits the lens!!
B) DARKNESS. Voices. The water has evaporated, burnt Sammael carcaesses are seen. myers wakes up, dizzy. He sees Rasputin/Ilsa. She approaches him and thanks him fro the grenade belts. CUT TO:

C) ANother space in the complex. She's slamming the belts and everybody has been manacled.

The coopies are being projected without "B" in some thetres. Please write me at [email protected] if this happens to you.

Thanks a million...

GDT
(theatre manager now)
The thread can be viewed here: http://boards.sonypictures.com/hellb...?threadid=1113

Also, Ron Perlman sort-of confirmed that HB2 is on the way (as if you needed confirmation :P)
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2295758

Shamu 04-06-04 12:54 AM


Originally posted by Giles

How was your "audience experience" when seeing "Hellboy"?

It was quiet. I guess about half of the people fell asleep and the other half left early... ;)

profbobo 04-06-04 01:05 AM


Originally posted by Shamu
It was quiet. I guess about half of the people fell asleep and the other half left early... ;)
Mine was very positive; lots of people buzzing about it afterwards and laughing at appropriate moments. It was an advanced screening, though; I'd imagine a lot of fans were there. I was surprised by how many people didn't appear to be fans though (re: not nerdy enough), including a few middle-aged people. The crowd generally seemed pleased with it, though.

Jackskeleton 04-06-04 01:32 AM


Originally posted by profbobo
About the "missing footage," Guillermo confirmed that several theaters have taken the fade to absolute black as an end marker for the reel, so they're missing about 45 seconds of footage.



The thread can be viewed here: http://boards.sonypictures.com/hellb...?threadid=1113

Also, Ron Perlman sort-of confirmed that HB2 is on the way (as if you needed confirmation :P)
http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2295758


That explains it. :)

Scot1458 04-06-04 09:54 AM


Originally posted by Jules Winfield
Hopefully the extended edition is better because the movie sucked. I really wanted to like it and I normally do like comic book movies but it was the worst one I've probably ever seen. The character of Hellboy was great but it just seemed to me he was stuck in a movie that wasn't very good. The villains weren't threatening, I didn't feel too much of the emotion that they tried to force in, and it just felt off to me for some reason. Pretty dissapointed since all the fanboys were hyping it up. They put down the Star Wars prequels and the Matrix sequels and praise stuff like this? I don't get it. Maybe they edited all the good stuff out and will put it in the longer cut. At least I hope so. :o
:up:


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