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jasonbird 04-03-04 11:51 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Because they like to give a little pay off for those who actually sit and read the credits. It's a lot of work to just be ignored.
I think that's the $18 i contribute to thank them. It's
not like they work for free. Heck if they do a great job I'll
contribute $36 or even $54.

So your telling me you read every name?

Jason

Jackskeleton 04-04-04 12:03 AM

I try. Besides, some may look familiar. I like the hidden stuff after credits as it is a pay out for those who can actually sit on there ass for a good five minutes more. Not that tough if you ask me.

Supermallet 04-04-04 12:04 AM

I almost always stick around for the entire credits, just as a sign of respect. Unless I hated the movie, then I'm outta there like lightning.

jasonbird 04-04-04 12:11 AM

The guys cleaning up need to do their job, plus I need to take
care of that large coke. :)

Jason

Supermallet 04-04-04 12:12 AM


Originally posted by jasonbird
The guys cleaning up need to do their job, plus I need to take
care of that large coke. :)

Jason

Yes, because they can't clean any portion of the theater until you've left.

jasonbird 04-04-04 12:18 AM


Originally posted by Suprmallet
Yes, because they can't clean any portion of the theater until you've left.
You get that too eh? Strange.

zero 04-04-04 05:38 AM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
ugh.. who said that? I would like to put them on the ignore list. :p
While I didnt rave about it, I did enjoy it

:wave:

Dead Star 04-04-04 10:01 AM

loved loved loved it. perhaps my favorite comic book adaptation ever.

candyrocket786 04-04-04 10:24 AM

Does anybody know where I can buy a legit copy of the Drew Struzan Hellboy poster?

Jeraden 04-04-04 10:28 AM

I went to go see it yesterday, but I wasn't really that impressed. It had lots less action than I thought it would. Selma Blair's character was poorly implemented. The young FBI guy was all but useless. The plot in general was very vague and lots of things were never explained. I really don't see how this was any better than the Hulk (which I liked by the way).

Goldberg74 04-04-04 11:23 AM


Originally posted by Suprmallet
Some people I've talked to are saying they didn't see this part in their print, but I've now seen three different prints of the film and it was in all three.
I saw it in mine and remembered it.

Let me add my :up: to this thread. I thought it was a very faithful adaptation.

Ron Perlman was great. John Hurt was great. Jeffery Tambor got on my nerves, but that was his job.

While the film was hard to follow in some spots, the only time I got bored was when he was sitting on the roof with the kid spying on John and Liz...

I'm thinking that I might see it again this weekend, and will definately get the DVD.

There's only one question I have...

Spoiler:
How was Liz's killing of the Sammiel different from when HB fried that one in the subway? I understand the eggs could be wiped out, but why would the essense of the adult one float and split into two more, thus porpigating the species? Now, if I had stayed through the credits, I would think they would have survived.


Oh, I thought the end battle was along the same lines of the first Men In Black film...

profbobo 04-04-04 12:12 PM


Originally posted by candyrocket786
Does anybody know where I can buy a legit copy of the Drew Struzan Hellboy poster?
http://hellboymovieposter.com/index.php
I want one, but it's damn expensive :(

profbobo 04-04-04 12:15 PM


Originally posted by Goldberg74
I saw it in mine and remembered it.

Let me add my :up: to this thread. I thought it was a very faithful adaptation.

Ron Perlman was great. John Hurt was great. Jeffery Tambor got on my nerves, but that was his job.

While the film was hard to follow in some spots, the only time I got bored was when he was sitting on the roof with the kid spying on John and Liz...

I'm thinking that I might see it again this weekend, and will definately get the DVD.

There's only one question I have...

Spoiler:
How was Liz's killing of the Sammiel different from when HB fried that one in the subway? I understand the eggs could be wiped out, but why would the essense of the adult one float and split into two more, thus porpigating the species? Now, if I had stayed through the credits, I would think they would have survived.


Oh, I thought the end battle was along the same lines of the first Men In Black film...

Spoiler:
The way I interpreted Sammael was not mystical (i.e. 'your spirit will spawn two more Sammaels), but scientific (because it's so easy for them to lay eggs, etc.) I thought it was a cool interpretation of something viewed as mythical before; the reason they saw so many Sammaels was because their spawn were so prolific, and matured so rapidly. So, the Sammaels that are dead really are dead; they just have a lot more "kids" to take their places.

candyrocket786 04-04-04 12:36 PM


Originally posted by profbobo
http://hellboymovieposter.com/index.php
I want one, but it's damn expensive :(

Thanks...I'll probably buy the $40 version.

Damn!!!!! Shipping is $10!

Goldberg74 04-04-04 12:40 PM


Originally posted by profbobo
Spoiler:
The way I interpreted Sammael was not mystical (i.e. 'your spirit will spawn two more Sammaels), but scientific (because it's so easy for them to lay eggs, etc.) I thought it was a cool interpretation of something viewed as mythical before; the reason they saw so many Sammaels was because their spawn were so prolific, and matured so rapidly. So, the Sammaels that are dead really are dead; they just have a lot more "kids" to take their places.

Spoiler:
But then how do you explain the 'essense' that floats up from the dead one and then splits in two? Or is that merely symbolic?

profbobo 04-04-04 12:45 PM

Spoiler:
I thought it was just the spirit of the creature leaving its body, not going to form new Sammaels

Sessa17 04-04-04 12:52 PM


Originally posted by Dr. DVD
I won't argue that LXG and DD were crap. However, the fact that you just called this a piece of shit without any explanation and/or reference as to why really disqualifies your opinion. DD and LXG sucked because they betrayed the comics, and unless you can point out how this one did such to a point that it invalidates the movie your opinion shall remain null and void IMO.
Completely agree. One thing I'm noticing in this thread is that most people that are saying how much they HATE this movie aren't explaining what they didn't like about it. Leaving me, with the assumption that they are just bashing it b/c it's not Spider-man or X-men. Especially the onles saying it's so confusing & hard to follow.

That said, I absolutely LOVED this movie. I have not clue what people were watching that they can't understand this movie. I've seen it twice, once with a 9 year old & a 10 year old & they had no problem understanding it. I truly think, the reason most people don't like this movie is b/c it's a different type of superhero & they have a hard time excepting that. I thought this movie has great characterization & actors that all did a wonderful job with the roles. Rasputin was probably the weakest character & actor but Hellboy, Liz, Broom, & especially Cronen were all phenomenal.

I thought Pearlman was just perfect, & I don't think there is one person in all of DVDTalk tha constantly bashes CGI as much as I do, but given this movie has a budget of just under $60 million, I thought the CGI was pretty good. Not great, but better than a lot of $100 million + films.

The audience loved the movie when I saw it the first time, some huge laughs & applause at the end (which I could never understand).

I guess I'm in the minority here but I absolutely loved the movie, but then again I loathed Spider-man, so what do I know.

Kudama 04-04-04 01:18 PM

It's so fun to read the elated and disappointed reviews.

I went and saw this for the second time yesterday and while I was waiting for the part where the theater would let us in and stand by the door while the ushers cleaned the theater, I visited Barnes and Noble. There I thumbed through a trade paperback of Seed Of Destruction (I haven't read it since it was first released, so I wanted a fresh imprint) and I was stoked to find that the model was followed to the T.

The comic never really utilized "My Dinner With Andre" type expositions to get the story across. It moves forward through scenes of HB flying through the air with his fist cocked and spouting some wise ass dialogue. I love the comic and in no way mean to insult it when I say that the film had a more warm hearted take on the character. I’ve read ‘em all (asfarasIknow) and always felt a little alienated by his character. Just like Batman (in the comics and cartoon), this was an individual who I would be a little afraid to hang out with.

So to all those “boo hoo. It was a mindless action flick and the characters weren’t developed” reviews, I say this: Read the comic book.
What del Torro and Mignola did with this flick gave very beautiful depth to the original source material. That doesn’t happen very often. The source usally remains static. For me at least, when I dig out all my old Hellboy comics to re-read (I haven’t been keeping them in order, so it’s gonna take some time) I know that I will enjoy them even more.

BTW, It’s a really good sign when a movie is better the second time you see it. I will be seeing this at least four times while it’s on the big screen (probably seven, actually) and, well, I guess I will just pass on the DVD (not.).

Kudama 04-04-04 01:44 PM


Originally posted by profbobo
Spoiler:
The way I interpreted Sammael was not mystical (i.e. 'your spirit will spawn two more Sammaels), but scientific (because it's so easy for them to lay eggs, etc.) I thought it was a cool interpretation of something viewed as mythical before; the reason they saw so many Sammaels was because their spawn were so prolific, and matured so rapidly. So, the Sammaels that are dead really are dead; they just have a lot more "kids" to take their places.

Spoiler:
Actually they were totally mystic, but having to follow the same lines as biology. If you watch again, notice that when Hellboy comes through the ceiling and crushes the one advancing on Liz and John, exactly two new spawns hatch and curl off the pile of eggs in the foreground. Science (as we know it) cannot account for that communication of mortality.

Corvin 04-04-04 01:50 PM


Originally posted by Kudama
So to all those “boo hoo. It was a mindless action flick and the characters weren’t developed” reviews, I say this: Read the comic book.
While I wasn't one of those who complained about it being a mindless action flick, why should they have to read the comic book? Their beef is with the movie--if they feel that it was mindless, they shouldn't have to read a comic to give it more intelligence.

profbobo 04-04-04 01:52 PM


Originally posted by Kudama
Spoiler:
Actually they were totally mystic, but having to follow the same lines as biology. If you watch again, notice that when Hellboy comes through the ceiling and crushes the one advancing on Liz and John, exactly two new spawns hatch and curl off the pile of eggs in the foreground. Science (as we know it) cannot account for that communication of mortality.

That's been pointed out to me now :) I missed it the first time around; will catch it the second!

Jackskeleton 04-04-04 01:54 PM

Think he was stating that the comic book is pretty much just the same as the film. Abe is never really explained what he is and everything else is as is just about.

profbobo 04-04-04 01:54 PM


Originally posted by Kudama
So to all those “boo hoo. It was a mindless action flick and the characters weren’t developed” reviews, I say this: Read the comic book.
I think that while the comics and the movie are both excellent, that the two shouldn't have to be interconnected. I also think that part of the lack of full exposition and development is that this movie could be the beginning of a new franchise; it's always hard to strike a balance between introducing and fleshing out the characters while telling a compelling story as well. I think the movie did a good job of both, but sacrifices were obviously made. Del Toro has said that the DVD will run about 10 minutes longer than the theatrical cut, so maybe there'll be more room to breathe there.

Kudama 04-04-04 02:03 PM


Originally posted by profbobo
Del Toro has said that the DVD will run about 10 minutes longer than the theatrical cut, so maybe there'll be more room to breathe there.
Cooool. Every second of it: solid gold. 600 more, even better.

Movie make Kudama :)

Frank TJ Mackey 04-04-04 04:30 PM

If I have never read the comic or know anything about Hellboy, will I likely have difficult following the story?

thanks


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