What's the beef with The Hulk?
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Originally posted by Groucho
Yet nobody in this thread who didn't like the Hulk has mentioned the CGI.
Yet nobody in this thread who didn't like the Hulk has mentioned the CGI.
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I really doubt the CGI was the problem people had with this movie. In fact, I'd say the movie needed more of this CG Hulk. THAT"S what people wanted. The movie isn't really bad IMO, save for a completely illogical ending (what was going on I could barely tell). This wacko ending, mixed with perhaps too serious of a tone and a lack of enough hulk action doomed this movie. It was an interesting experience, but in the end the melodrama didn't connect with most audience and instead stood as a barrier to action sequences which were not enough to satisfy the general audience. That is my problem with the film. The drama wasn't really that engaging once I got past the wow of the editing (and I did love the cutting, I thought it great). But the editing didn't even fit the movie with it's deep heavy drama. That style just felt wrong for this story. And that's my main beef.
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I personally thought the split screens and CGI came across a lot better on my home theater than on the big screen. Don't know why, maybe it's just that I expected them an daccounted for that. But while I found some of the split screens annoying in the theater, I actually kind of liked it on the DVD. Never really had a problem with the CGI anyways.
As for the ending, it's a really WTF moment. And again, knowing it's coming makes watching it easier. Otherwise I had no real problems with Hulk.
As for the ending, it's a really WTF moment. And again, knowing it's coming makes watching it easier. Otherwise I had no real problems with Hulk.
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Simply put the movie was awful. The pacing was wrong, the storyline was crap and executed very poorly, and to make matters worse Nick Nolte delivered his worst performance of his career.
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Like others here, i enjoyed the movie quite a bit but the ending was a disaster. End the movie after the Hulk's fight with the Army and tie up some loose ends there and it would have been perfect.
The CGI was a bit hokey at times, but it was simply breathtaking during the action scenes, and i didn't mind the transitions at all.
The CGI was a bit hokey at times, but it was simply breathtaking during the action scenes, and i didn't mind the transitions at all.
#33
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I got no beef with the Hulk. I found it to be the most interesting of the latest batch of superhero adaptations. It has an odd mix of reverance for its comic book origins, soap opera familial angst, post cold-war paranoia, Lynchian subconscious abstraction, and a fascination for the CGI centerpiece that produces some outright beautiful moments. The film plays with its print (and TV) origins in a much more intriguing way that the adrenaline fueled Spider-man or over-reaching X-Men(s) can't touch (and I enjoyed all three of those films).
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Originally posted by Groucho
Okay, now that the rant is off my chest, here are some of my problems with the film:
1. Marketed as a kid's film, including a deluge of toys and other merchandising. Film would be boring as hell to most kids.
2. Too much angst and whining. The film takes itself way so seriously, but without the consummate weighty issues.
3. Completely unsatisfying over-the-top and muddled climax.
4. Bad acting from good actors. Can't say I blame them since the dialogue wasn't that great.
5. Poor pacing.
6. Simply put: the film wasn't entertaining.
Okay, now that the rant is off my chest, here are some of my problems with the film:
1. Marketed as a kid's film, including a deluge of toys and other merchandising. Film would be boring as hell to most kids.
2. Too much angst and whining. The film takes itself way so seriously, but without the consummate weighty issues.
3. Completely unsatisfying over-the-top and muddled climax.
4. Bad acting from good actors. Can't say I blame them since the dialogue wasn't that great.
5. Poor pacing.
6. Simply put: the film wasn't entertaining.
Man, there must be something wrong with me....
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The reason I didn't like the Hulk was the lack of the Hulk. Way too much time before the Hulk shows up and when the Hulk is around, it is too short.
When going to a movie about Hulk, I want to see Hulk the majority of the time. I didn't go to see it for some boring drama. There are other movies for Drama.
When going to a movie about Hulk, I want to see Hulk the majority of the time. I didn't go to see it for some boring drama. There are other movies for Drama.
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Originally posted by resinrats
The reason I didn't like the Hulk was the lack of the Hulk. Way too much time before the Hulk shows up and when the Hulk is around, it is too short.
When going to a movie about Hulk, I want to see Hulk the majority of the time. I didn't go to see it for some boring drama. There are other movies for Drama.
The reason I didn't like the Hulk was the lack of the Hulk. Way too much time before the Hulk shows up and when the Hulk is around, it is too short.
When going to a movie about Hulk, I want to see Hulk the majority of the time. I didn't go to see it for some boring drama. There are other movies for Drama.
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The Hulk was too damn serious and dull. The main character is about a freaking giant golly green giant! Give me a break!
That's the biggest load of crap I've read in awhile.
Originally posted by MasterofDVD
Like a number of movies out there the longer it went on the worse it got.
A.I. is the movie that is the biggest culprit
Like a number of movies out there the longer it went on the worse it got.
A.I. is the movie that is the biggest culprit
That's the biggest load of crap I've read in awhile.
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Why would any of you list "Would be boring to kids" as a criticism of the movie? How is that even relevant considering none of you are kids? It's been 6 months since it was released and you're still steaming over the ad campaign? Let it go. Just review the movie.
Also, the "it isn't fun enough/it's too serious" critique is fairly inappropriate and wrongheaded (and especially ridiculous when it came from DVDTalk's official reviewer). The movie has started, it's clear that Ang Lee is *intentionally* making a serious movie and yet you still can't get over the fact that it's not what you ASSUMED BEFOREHAND that it would be. What the hell? It's like dismissing Gwyneth Paltrow's "Emma" because it didn't deliver hardcore Victorian sex orgies. I mean, it's about love & lust seen through the lens of modern, degenerate Hollywood filmmaking, right? And Paltrow has no problem getting naked, right? It must be an orgy film!
And as for the film itself, the entire desert escape and chase is one of the most brilliantly conceived (it has so much variety), filmed and edited action scenes in recent cinema. The cinematography is gorgeous and provides a sense of size & scope that is unrivalled in action filmmaking. They really made an effort to give Hulk different things to do instead of just going for the easy "Hulk Smash" of him punching and pounding.
I found the drama to be engaging as well. But I have to agree with the others that the last quarter faltered somewhat and that the overall pacing was a little off.
Also, the "it isn't fun enough/it's too serious" critique is fairly inappropriate and wrongheaded (and especially ridiculous when it came from DVDTalk's official reviewer). The movie has started, it's clear that Ang Lee is *intentionally* making a serious movie and yet you still can't get over the fact that it's not what you ASSUMED BEFOREHAND that it would be. What the hell? It's like dismissing Gwyneth Paltrow's "Emma" because it didn't deliver hardcore Victorian sex orgies. I mean, it's about love & lust seen through the lens of modern, degenerate Hollywood filmmaking, right? And Paltrow has no problem getting naked, right? It must be an orgy film!
And as for the film itself, the entire desert escape and chase is one of the most brilliantly conceived (it has so much variety), filmed and edited action scenes in recent cinema. The cinematography is gorgeous and provides a sense of size & scope that is unrivalled in action filmmaking. They really made an effort to give Hulk different things to do instead of just going for the easy "Hulk Smash" of him punching and pounding.
I found the drama to be engaging as well. But I have to agree with the others that the last quarter faltered somewhat and that the overall pacing was a little off.
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I enjoyed the movie although the ending was weak. I enjoyed the character development and felt that the filmmakers were true to the spirit of the Hulk comics. I liked the comic-book editing style (wipes). Could it have been better? Yes Did I enjoy it? Yes.
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Okay . . . so now that I've read some of the posts, I have a few more thoughts (thanks for all of the input, by the way):
1) The ending battle was a little wierd . . . it seemed somewhat out of left field and I'm still not exactly sure happened to Nick Nolte's character in the end (what was that big bubble thing that it looked he turned into?). That being said, it far from ruined the movie for me. I think I sort of thought "Okay . . . whatever . . ." and just went on to watch the rest of the ending. After all, even though it didn't make a ton of sense, the special effects were pretty slick.
2) I'm not sure how valid I think the "too dark/serious" comments are. That fits in pretty much exactly with what the comic and TV show portrayed and I think that it worked for the movie. At least it didn't try to be serious and funny at the same time. I see a lot of action-type movies try to do that and end up failing miserably on both accounts. So do you guys think that the problem with the "seriousness" of the film was one of unmet expectations or do you think that it actually didn't work for the movie?
3) Expectations . . . some of the posts have made me think that maybe trailers and previous movie knowledge are detrimental to viewing a movie for the first time. I've seen a number of people talk about "what they expected" or "what people wanted" (e.g., more Hulk action). It seems to me that movies should be judged on their merit rather than whether or not they live up to the expectations of the public. If people want a story to be told a specific way, I think that they should try their hand at filmmaking. It seems a little unfair to judge a directors work based on what you wanted him to do.
4) The scene where he broke the dogs jaw by flexing his shoulder was just cool . . .
1) The ending battle was a little wierd . . . it seemed somewhat out of left field and I'm still not exactly sure happened to Nick Nolte's character in the end (what was that big bubble thing that it looked he turned into?). That being said, it far from ruined the movie for me. I think I sort of thought "Okay . . . whatever . . ." and just went on to watch the rest of the ending. After all, even though it didn't make a ton of sense, the special effects were pretty slick.

2) I'm not sure how valid I think the "too dark/serious" comments are. That fits in pretty much exactly with what the comic and TV show portrayed and I think that it worked for the movie. At least it didn't try to be serious and funny at the same time. I see a lot of action-type movies try to do that and end up failing miserably on both accounts. So do you guys think that the problem with the "seriousness" of the film was one of unmet expectations or do you think that it actually didn't work for the movie?
3) Expectations . . . some of the posts have made me think that maybe trailers and previous movie knowledge are detrimental to viewing a movie for the first time. I've seen a number of people talk about "what they expected" or "what people wanted" (e.g., more Hulk action). It seems to me that movies should be judged on their merit rather than whether or not they live up to the expectations of the public. If people want a story to be told a specific way, I think that they should try their hand at filmmaking. It seems a little unfair to judge a directors work based on what you wanted him to do.
4) The scene where he broke the dogs jaw by flexing his shoulder was just cool . . .
#47
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Hulk reminded me of the first X-men. Was very character development.
I personally liked the Hulk.
No one can be a hulk so the cgi hulk was appropriate.
The ending was retarded. But it wasnt as bad as everyone says.
I personally liked the Hulk.
No one can be a hulk so the cgi hulk was appropriate.
The ending was retarded. But it wasnt as bad as everyone says.
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Originally posted by QuiGonJosh
Hulk ruled and is the best comic movie since Superman imo
Hulk ruled and is the best comic movie since Superman imo
i agree with about half of groucho's points, but i still enjoyed the movie.
1. slooooooow pacing (pretty sure i looked at my watch a few times in the theater)
2. wtf climax (my take is that he was absorbing the hulk and couldn't take it, but it's really anybody's guess)
3. marketing (my kid fell asleep).
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I liked the hulk, i thought it was a lot of fun, good and dark too. non-dark comicbook films tend to suck (superman 1/2 are the only exceptions I can think of)
u cant satisfy everyone... lots of peeps here say "i want more hulk!"... well, if you had more hulk and less character development, then other people would have been pissed off that the characters are too thin... meanwhile everyone is saying its too long. good lord.
most annoying thing from the "anti hulk" people is the b!tching about the CG. I thought it was very well done. Peeps keep saying that the hulk didnt look real. GOOD LORD. Just one of you nitwits please show me the REAL 10' tall 1000lb mutated by radiation green guy you know and we'll compare the CGI model to him!!!!!! dear lord.
at any rate, I expect a Hulk sequel at some point... i hope the leads and Lee return for it. No doubt it will be much more hulk-action oriented since the characters have been established now...
j
u cant satisfy everyone... lots of peeps here say "i want more hulk!"... well, if you had more hulk and less character development, then other people would have been pissed off that the characters are too thin... meanwhile everyone is saying its too long. good lord.
most annoying thing from the "anti hulk" people is the b!tching about the CG. I thought it was very well done. Peeps keep saying that the hulk didnt look real. GOOD LORD. Just one of you nitwits please show me the REAL 10' tall 1000lb mutated by radiation green guy you know and we'll compare the CGI model to him!!!!!! dear lord.
at any rate, I expect a Hulk sequel at some point... i hope the leads and Lee return for it. No doubt it will be much more hulk-action oriented since the characters have been established now...
j




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