I don't like the "group of scientists" and the guy that got sliced in a million pieces in Resident Evil going in. It should be a military group going in with someone like Arnold or Vasquez leading. Other than that, it looks interesting. Probably wait for the DVD cause our local theater isn't that great.

Well, let's face it. The fact that it's rated PG-13 is hardly the biggest indicator this movie will stink up the place. How about the fact that there hasn't been a single Alien or Predator movie since 1987 that was actually great? I mean, you would think in almost 20 years someone could have come up with a worthy entry in this series, but this apparently has proven to be an impossible task.

(Disclaimer: Of course, this does not take into account that "Alien Resurrection" is so bad it succeeds in making "Alien 3" look like a masterpiece. I'm also ignoring the single greatest moment of "Predator 2," as matome pointed out - Teri Weigel. :up: )

You're absolutely right. The pg-13 rating isn't what did it. When I heard Riddick was pg-13 I didn't think "oh no this will suck even though Pitch Black was R."

But...since Alien V Predator first off, is written and directed by Paul Anderson, I had little faith this could be good anyway. And all I had left was a hope that somehow these creatures would look cool despite the director, and we'd get some awesome death scenes. Apparently not.

I mean even if it is gory for the alien on alien action (which I highly doubt it's actually that gory, come on, it's pg-13, I doubt we're going to see Predators ripped in half left and right) it's still lame that we won't be getting any human gore of any worth. I mean...that's just lame.

Let me put it this way...Predator 2 wasn't that good, Alien Ressurection was awful. But you know what at least made Predator 2 ok? Well, it had Predator and some cool gory scenes. Yeah, that was about it. This time we'll get a Paul Anderson action movie with these characters without the gore. Blah.

The rating itself isn't the reason the movie will be mediocre. It's the fact that they had/have low expectations for the movie and want to pander to the largest possible audience.

The premise/story doesn't sound very good. The director has a history of making movies (most) people don't like.

I love the Predator and Alien franchises (despite some stinkers). This could have been a fantastic movie with the right premise and execution. Now it'll probably end up being crap. Maybe it'll still work out and be good, but I wouldn't expect it.

Nevertheless, I'll be right there opening weekend.

God that's the worst part. So will I. They could probably make a Holocaust musical starring Liza Minelli and the Alien and Predator directed by Uwe Boll and I'd still watch the damn thing. Dammit. Fox.

Maybe if all we get is a bunch of Predators and Aliens slicing and dicing on each other then a PG-13 is deserved. Also, they can get away with a lot of violence in a PG-13 nowadays, just not sex and nudity. I wouldn't be surprised if we get at least one chest burster scene and heaven knows how many Predator slicing off alien heads scenes.

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It's not just about slicing and dicing. You have to find the characters compelling/interesting/sympathetic, the storyline has to work, etc. You can have all the blood and guts, but if it's meaningless it won't matter.

However, when you have two incredibly violent species fighting with a pretty brutal one in the middle there's inherantly going to be R rated violence taking place. So, unless 1) there isn't much violence, 2) said violence takes place offscreen, or 3) it's incredibly watered down, it's just hard to imagine a picture like this getting a PG-13.

Imagine if Freddy vs Jason was PG-13. It goes against the genre and that's why I have a problem with it.

Well, yes and no. If the reviews are mixed, then I will see it right away because it's a genre I love and there's a good chance I would enjoy it. If the reviews are universally terrible, then I'd wait or rent.

Its finally on the offical site today. Hehe slime and gore.

http://www.avp-movie.com/images/legal.jpg

if its rated PG13...well thats the last straw...F**K THIS MOVIE!!!

"slime and gore" :lol:

A quick kinda off-topic question: The Predator 2 credits list Elpidia Carrilo (the chick from the original) in the movie. Where the hell is she in it?

Archive footage that Gary Busey shows Danny Glover.

Ah! Thanks.

PG-13 for Aliens vs Predator gave me the impression that the movie is bargain bin material at Walmart for 4.99. Just doesn't sound serious enough to do it justice.
Sh*t, the more i think of this , the more i think of how crappy Mortal Kombat was.

Looks like you don't realize that this forum is rated PG-13 for language since you can say SHIT now and not be censored. Imagine what this film can get away with on that same rating. ;)

I seriously hope you are right about the movie. I really do.

This complete and utter crap! I can't believe this, I used to be indifferent when it came to Paul W.S. Anderson, but now he has gone too far!

My Theories:

1. They did for later they can release an R-Rated or Unrated DVD version so they can make more $$$$

2. They did this to make more money from teens. More teens can go see it if it's PG-13. But, many adults will not go to see it because of it's crappy PG-13 rating.

3. Paul W.S. Anderson is an idiot.

I think it's number 3!

THIS PISSES ME OFF!!!!

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Your average movie goer doesn't care what the rating is unless it is higher then what they can get into. Once you reach a point where you aren't stopped by some rating to watch a film, you really don't notice.

It does depend. If the movie was shot as an R rated movie and then cut down to PG-13 it may suffer.

I think King Arthur would have done better BO with an R rating than it did with a PG-13 rating. I liked the movie ,but many people did not like the cuts that reduced the violence.

It just depends how it was filmed.

Unless they know that both the main characters featured were each in all R-rated movies before this one. And they begin to wonder why putting both in the same film would all of a sudden make this movie less scary, graphic, and violent....according to the rating.

I think the average movie goer would be pissed if Freddy vs Jason or the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre were both rated PG-13. Why? Because all of their predecessors were rated R!!!!

again, your average movie goer doesn't pay attention to directors, producers, or even studios for that matter. The only reason they will even care about film ratings is if they are a parent looking at what the content their childern are going to watch or they are under that age limit to get through the door. Once you past that age you really don't pay attention to those things.

Now, do we have any indication that it was filmed as an R and watered down at any point during filming? I don't have anything that points me that direction off the top of my head.

This is just one thing internet users like us who are aware of every little fart any best boy or boom mic operator cuts loose because of constant internet updates. The general public really doesn't care.

I'm not saying that it is a good thing, nor that it is a good sign of the film. But to me, it's not something that is an auto death knell like most of you are stating. For those signs that it will not be the second coming of jesus on the screen that us predator and alien fans are expecting after years of waiting, you can simply go to other MAJOR factors that are bad signs. Saying that I'm going to go to the theater with an open mind. enjoy what I watch and then if it's that good, see it on the lot another time.

A rating is not a automatic death for a film. Riddick was enjoyable and that wasn't R (correct me if I'm wrong)

It isn't just the rating that is the problem. A simple rating means next to nothing to the average casual filmgoer, I agree with that. However, what does matter is the result of said rating, as has already been said.

The main group of people who will go see this film will be fans of the other Alien and Predator films from the past. If, after the opening weekend, word gets out that it's a lot tamer than the former films, missing a lot of the vital parts which were in the older films that was able to exist because of the higher R rating, many people might hold off from going to see this one. Some may never watch it at all.

The rating itself, the writing, means nothing. The result of said rating means everything.

It's going to be missing a lot of the vital parts the rest of the franchise has had by default of the story itself.

Aliens are not in space or on a colony of some sort. they are on earth. That in itself is going to be strange that people will just have to deal with.

Lacking from this from the rest of the franchise series is going to be some sex appeal. sure predator didn't have anything of that nature, but predator 2 did. Pred 2 also had drug use and a lot of street gun fighting. Predator 1 had a lot of gorilla battles and suspense. This seems to be a straight run and gun type of film. Only the guns will be a bit less then what the franchise of predator has had.

Aliens has always had a futuristic look, either that or an industrial look of H.R. Gigers design. This will be set in a pyrimad. While it offers some sort of maze like feel, it will still be a big change.

I think the real meat and potatos that fans of the franchise are coming into this film for is the simple fact that it has aliens and it has predators and they are going to go at it.

Now lets be fair. a Hard R would make it that this film not be open to a lot of new folks walking into this franchise (How many new folks walked into Freddy vs jason?), it would stick AvP into a niche market even more so. With video games of the franchise appealing to the age of computer gamers, those of which might be young. I think that is why Fox decided to make this a PG-13 film.

Was that the best choice? No, I will say that. But will it kill any possible chance that this film is enjoyable? No way. A lot of folks just automaticlly assume PG-13 = terrible. That is not the best way to look at films. Can the film possibly have some of the stuff the franchise has been known for because of the rating? Yes, it could try. Dont expect tons of gore, but then again, both franchise haven't been known for gushes of blood in the past, I don't see why it's known for that now?

Eh, I don't think the setting is going to matter all that much. From the trailers that I've seen it looks pretty fitting for all of the characters involved. The dark and gritty areas and the such. I just don't see how the exact content in this film will be able to match what we've seen in the past from both franchises.

We'll get gore, slime and gore mind you (hahaha), but it will mainly just be between the two monsters.

I'm obviously going to see it, but I'm not going in it expecting "Aliens vs. Predator". I'm going in it expecting just a new film. It does hurt me that I feel that I need to go in it looking at it like that though.

When I first heard about the setting, I nearly gave up on it.

Earth = aleins .. BLAH, the whole point of the franchise was to make sure that the aliens never got to earth. Now they are here... blah blah

Predators weapon = they get some sort of ninja star blade.. blah, their blades are 3x longer. BLAH BLAH

No Marines = BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Paul Anderson = BLAH BLAH BLAH


Now about the gore. I didn't think we were ever going to get much human gore. this is Aliens Vs Predator after all. ;) Aliens want humans to be alive to create more of their kind. they take them back to the queen alive if possible. Predators want the humans there to create more aliens since that is what they are hunting. I suppose I just tossed that out the window from the get go. :p