The Kill Bill Vol 1 Thread Part 2
10-26-03 | 11:21 PM
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3 questions (probably already answers but i cant read 14 pages):
1. what do you guys mean you wish you got the color version instead of the B&W version...i know a few scenes were in B&W but i thought it was suppose to be like that.
2. why did they bleep out her name every time it was mentioned?
3. what was the song called when you see lucy lui and her gang walking through the restaurant? you hear it alot in the commercials...i like it alot.
1. what do you guys mean you wish you got the color version instead of the B&W version...i know a few scenes were in B&W but i thought it was suppose to be like that.
2. why did they bleep out her name every time it was mentioned?
3. what was the song called when you see lucy lui and her gang walking through the restaurant? you hear it alot in the commercials...i like it alot.
10-26-03 | 11:40 PM
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1. It's written in the script that that the middle of the fight is supposed to turn B&W. But the Japanese version will show the entire sequence in color and just about everyone here would like to see how this looks.
2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") and we're not supposed to find out what her name was and why Bill had her killed until VOL-2.
3."Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei. It's on the CD.
2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") and we're not supposed to find out what her name was and why Bill had her killed until VOL-2.
3."Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei. It's on the CD.
10-27-03 | 12:26 AM
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I had a question as well. Any reason why her legs had atrophied so bad she couldn't use them, but her arms were strong enough to slam the guy's head in the door multiple times, drag her through the hospital and into the truck? That kind of bugged me when watching it.
10-27-03 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Mondo Kane
2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") .
2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") .
10-27-03 | 09:56 AM
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But you can CLEARLY read her name on her plane ticket, so that can't be it...
But you can CLEARLY read her name on her plane ticket, so that can't be it...
10-27-03 | 10:36 AM
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not even sure if her name is a plotpoint or will be revealed in vol 2 ... i just read a bit of the script and it simply says "name bleeped out, from now on we shall call her THE BRIDE" ... why QT does that ? well, because he is f'd up of course 
Like .. one thing that was bugging me is how very different Uma is when she first walks into Sonny's sushi bar (great place, you don't order a thing and get sushi right away ... I know that in many places you get a little free appetizer .. but that being maguro nigiri ??? nice ,,, anyways .. she plays THE BRIDE very differently .. but that is exactly like that in the script "she acts like the typical airheaded american tourist" .. but WHY ???
Here is my question of the day ... will there be "Yuki's Revenge" in vol 2 ??? rumor had it that it was shot .. but the character did not make its entree at "Showdown" .. hmmm .. but this way they could use the same actress to totally mindf-word us all ...
well .. i am psyched, curios, interested ... want the DVD, the ext. Version, the japanese version, the box set, the O-ren blow up doll, the sword replica ... and of course VOL 2
Like .. one thing that was bugging me is how very different Uma is when she first walks into Sonny's sushi bar (great place, you don't order a thing and get sushi right away ... I know that in many places you get a little free appetizer .. but that being maguro nigiri ??? nice
,,, anyways .. she plays THE BRIDE very differently .. but that is exactly like that in the script "she acts like the typical airheaded american tourist" .. but WHY ??? Here is my question of the day ... will there be "Yuki's Revenge" in vol 2 ??? rumor had it that it was shot .. but the character did not make its entree at "Showdown" .. hmmm .. but this way they could use the same actress to totally mindf-word us all ...
well .. i am psyched, curios, interested ... want the DVD, the ext. Version, the japanese version, the box set, the O-ren blow up doll, the sword replica ... and of course VOL 2
10-27-03 | 03:38 PM
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From: Friggin Fiji
Originally posted by atari2600
another question...how did sophie survive all that blood loss?
another question...how did sophie survive all that blood loss?
i keep hearing the japanese version shows what else is being cut off ... while Bride says "give me your arm" i doubt she cuts of the remaining arm .. it is still visible in her snow hill tumble ... so .. i guess fingers ???
10-27-03 | 03:58 PM
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FYI:
In the new isssue of Black Belt, there is a picture of
and the caption said from Kill Bill Vol. 2. Struck me as odd, since I've never heard his mentioned with this film. Could it be wrong?
In the new isssue of Black Belt, there is a picture of
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10-27-03 | 04:19 PM
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No, he's in Vol. 2. There's a picture of them in the Kill Bill issue of American Cinematographer too.
10-27-03 | 07:18 PM
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I've just read some reports on the Mobius forum from a couple people who watched Kill Bill in Japan this past weekend. For people wondering about the fate of Sophie Fatale:
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10-27-03 | 07:41 PM
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Hey guys. First of all I just wanna say it is quite interesting to see how opinions can vary from forum to forum. Most of the guys at Gaming Age are trashing the film. And I would like you guys to take a glance at some of the impressions in THIS THREAD. I particularly want to get your opinions on what this guy posted and the reasons he did not enjoy the movie. Let me know what you think.
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In your opinion....
And just exactly WHAT...when it comes to the "blind hero worship of asian film makers" are andy and larry doing more right than Tarentino?
If its creating good fight scenes...well then..your stupid cause ping does them for BOTH camps.
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Yes... of course it's my opinion... I don't know who else's it would be... I think I qualified that (needlessly, I'd imagine) from the beginning, so I'm glad it's not lost upon you.
Yuen Wu Peng simply choreographs the fights. He is not involved in the editing process. Larry and Andy are better at directing and editing Case in point: Lucy Liu jumping on the table and lopping the man's head off. Once the head hits the floor, that's where the scene should stop.
That's how the scene would've finished in an HK flick or an anime (like Ninja Scroll). Quentin's personal touch - adding in some truly lame dialogue - just ruined the pace of a scene that should've finished much earlier.
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or trying to get a rated R rating instead of a NC 17 because of so much violence, gore and blood...thus making thnigs go black and white.
[sarcasm]but no....obviously tarentino didnt do stuff he shouldve learned in film school...cause u know, film school is where you learn how to make a real movie....and if you take a course in film then and only then will you be able to action scenes correctly.[/sarcasm]
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They changed the color balance for censorship? *shrug* if you say so. There are a lot of other things they could've done as well. But from a DESIGN perspective (as opposed to film school), it's still a common trick that's used to make something uninteresting look interesting.
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thats one of tarentino's trademarks man. dur
Or have you not seen his previous movies.
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It's little quips like "dur" that make me think I'm talking to a 12 year old. I've seen Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, even From Dusk Till Dawn; I own the DVDs and CD soundtracks for all of them - I don't need you to point out the obvious.
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i see no Correlation with the Dialogue's wittyness and the Sequencing of the movie at all. Maybe if i snorted some coke like you, before viewing the movie, i would notice. Il try that next time i hang out with tony montana.
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Maybe I didn't connect the dots as clearly as I should've. To me, if the story doesn't hold the movie up, then there are other things that should hold it up - like the dialogue, or the fighting, or the cinematography, etc etc. Since Tarentino lauds himself for his dialogue, I looked immediately to that aspect and found it wanting.
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Well it is his movie, and his work. Therefore, if he feels he needs to keep things in he will. I dont see how it makes him a Egomaniac for keeping in scenes that will add for laughter.....like that jacket scene u are referring to. And im sure you probably didnt find it funny as the rest of us but thats just you.
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He's an egomaniac because, and I'm quoting him here, "I don't make movies for other people. I make movies for ME". Hey, that's fine man - if Quentin feel he's above criticism and that my needs as a paying customer don't matter to him, then I'll just care less the next time I see one of his movies come around.
Oh, and that jacket bit is one of the oldest and most tired gags around. Maybe it would've been funny in the right context, but I was expecting a fight to have broken out at least 2 minutes earlier.
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Yes, ever heard of FICTION? Thats what this movie is...a work of Fiction.
If you wanna go there...andy and larry are pretty inconsistent cause Neo shouldnt be able to fly. Hell neo shouldnt be able to do anything he does...and there should be no Zion and matrix. It should just be a normal world. Cause thats more consistent with real life.
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I only said Larry and Andy are better directors/editors - not better writers Maybe my standards are too high, but I generally ask very little of the movies I watch: that they make sense. That's not too much to ask, is it?
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Saw Kill Bill on the weekend, and I have the following opinion to offer:
1. Quentin Tarentino should stick to witty dialogue and leave the blind hero-worship of Asian film-makers to the likes of Larry and Andy Wachowski, who at least know how to do it right.
2. The fighting was sloppily executed and boring to watch.
3. Fight scenes towards the end were shown in different colour balances - this is design school 101. Changing the colour balance is what you do to make an uninteresting image look interesting. By the time they got to the silhouettes in the blue background, I was already asking why the scene was still going.
4. It's essentially a very uninteresting story that's had its order rearranged to sound interesting. Once you realise this, you ask why the dialogue isn't that witty, and it all falls down from there.
5. Tarentino couldn't edit the film down to fit inside 3 hours? What an egomaniac. The movie could've easily done with some savage cuts. Like the bathroom scene where she takes off her yellow jacket to reveal.... ANOTHER YELLOW JACKET! Pace, anticipation etc was all lost as a result of numerous redundant scenes.
6. Story inconsistencies. She sat in the ***** Wagon for 13 hours without getting caught at all? AND she drove it again a whole month later after returning from Okinawa/Tokyo? Please....
7. The only scene that was worthwhile was Lucy Liu's run along the table. I actually grinned with excitement for the first time when the head hit the floor. Then she went off on a really, really terribly written tirade about speaking up, which just ruined the pace again.
Sorry, for my money, Kill Bill is very forgettable B-Grade nonsense.
1. Quentin Tarentino should stick to witty dialogue and leave the blind hero-worship of Asian film-makers to the likes of Larry and Andy Wachowski, who at least know how to do it right.
2. The fighting was sloppily executed and boring to watch.
3. Fight scenes towards the end were shown in different colour balances - this is design school 101. Changing the colour balance is what you do to make an uninteresting image look interesting. By the time they got to the silhouettes in the blue background, I was already asking why the scene was still going.
4. It's essentially a very uninteresting story that's had its order rearranged to sound interesting. Once you realise this, you ask why the dialogue isn't that witty, and it all falls down from there.
5. Tarentino couldn't edit the film down to fit inside 3 hours? What an egomaniac. The movie could've easily done with some savage cuts. Like the bathroom scene where she takes off her yellow jacket to reveal.... ANOTHER YELLOW JACKET! Pace, anticipation etc was all lost as a result of numerous redundant scenes.
6. Story inconsistencies. She sat in the ***** Wagon for 13 hours without getting caught at all? AND she drove it again a whole month later after returning from Okinawa/Tokyo? Please....
7. The only scene that was worthwhile was Lucy Liu's run along the table. I actually grinned with excitement for the first time when the head hit the floor. Then she went off on a really, really terribly written tirade about speaking up, which just ruined the pace again.
Sorry, for my money, Kill Bill is very forgettable B-Grade nonsense.
Oh, I've no doubt you could follow everything that happened in the fight scenes - I know I definitely did. My criticism of the editing is of the volume of inconsequential fluff that was allowed to stay in - this is allegedly the reason Tarentino couldn't keep the movie inside 3 hours. For me, the key to a good edit is when the storyteller knows when to stop. Quick cuts and flashes to different perspectives don't bother me. It's when I'm sitting there thinking "why am I still watching this scene?" or "I've had enough. Can we move to the next scene already?" that really irk me.
That scene with Lucy Liu on top of the table (again) is especially crucial to me, because right after she cuts off the guy's head, there really isn't a need to say anything more. The scene is done. Putting any more on top of it just feels like overkill. He didn't accomplish anything by keeping the additional dialogue in there and getting Lucy to tell us what we already know: that she's a badass and that she won't be talked to like that. In fact, I think the scene lost a lot of its edginess with the dialogue.
That scene with Lucy Liu on top of the table (again) is especially crucial to me, because right after she cuts off the guy's head, there really isn't a need to say anything more. The scene is done. Putting any more on top of it just feels like overkill. He didn't accomplish anything by keeping the additional dialogue in there and getting Lucy to tell us what we already know: that she's a badass and that she won't be talked to like that. In fact, I think the scene lost a lot of its edginess with the dialogue.
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In your opinion....
And just exactly WHAT...when it comes to the "blind hero worship of asian film makers" are andy and larry doing more right than Tarentino?
If its creating good fight scenes...well then..your stupid cause ping does them for BOTH camps.
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Yes... of course it's my opinion... I don't know who else's it would be... I think I qualified that (needlessly, I'd imagine) from the beginning, so I'm glad it's not lost upon you.
Yuen Wu Peng simply choreographs the fights. He is not involved in the editing process. Larry and Andy are better at directing and editing
Case in point: Lucy Liu jumping on the table and lopping the man's head off. Once the head hits the floor, that's where the scene should stop. That's how the scene would've finished in an HK flick or an anime (like Ninja Scroll). Quentin's personal touch - adding in some truly lame dialogue - just ruined the pace of a scene that should've finished much earlier.
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or trying to get a rated R rating instead of a NC 17 because of so much violence, gore and blood...thus making thnigs go black and white.
[sarcasm]but no....obviously tarentino didnt do stuff he shouldve learned in film school...cause u know, film school is where you learn how to make a real movie....and if you take a course in film then and only then will you be able to action scenes correctly.[/sarcasm]
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They changed the color balance for censorship? *shrug* if you say so. There are a lot of other things they could've done as well. But from a DESIGN perspective (as opposed to film school), it's still a common trick that's used to make something uninteresting look interesting.
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thats one of tarentino's trademarks man. dur
Or have you not seen his previous movies.
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It's little quips like "dur" that make me think I'm talking to a 12 year old. I've seen Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, even From Dusk Till Dawn; I own the DVDs and CD soundtracks for all of them - I don't need you to point out the obvious.
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i see no Correlation with the Dialogue's wittyness and the Sequencing of the movie at all. Maybe if i snorted some coke like you, before viewing the movie, i would notice. Il try that next time i hang out with tony montana.
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Maybe I didn't connect the dots as clearly as I should've. To me, if the story doesn't hold the movie up, then there are other things that should hold it up - like the dialogue, or the fighting, or the cinematography, etc etc. Since Tarentino lauds himself for his dialogue, I looked immediately to that aspect and found it wanting.
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Well it is his movie, and his work. Therefore, if he feels he needs to keep things in he will. I dont see how it makes him a Egomaniac for keeping in scenes that will add for laughter.....like that jacket scene u are referring to. And im sure you probably didnt find it funny as the rest of us but thats just you.
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He's an egomaniac because, and I'm quoting him here, "I don't make movies for other people. I make movies for ME". Hey, that's fine man - if Quentin feel he's above criticism and that my needs as a paying customer don't matter to him, then I'll just care less the next time I see one of his movies come around.
Oh, and that jacket bit is one of the oldest and most tired gags around. Maybe it would've been funny in the right context, but I was expecting a fight to have broken out at least 2 minutes earlier.
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Yes, ever heard of FICTION? Thats what this movie is...a work of Fiction.
If you wanna go there...andy and larry are pretty inconsistent cause Neo shouldnt be able to fly. Hell neo shouldnt be able to do anything he does...and there should be no Zion and matrix. It should just be a normal world. Cause thats more consistent with real life.
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I only said Larry and Andy are better directors/editors - not better writers
Maybe my standards are too high, but I generally ask very little of the movies I watch: that they make sense. That's not too much to ask, is it?
10-27-03 | 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by isamu
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People are allowed to have their opinions, and I'm allowed to say they're wrong
That said, I think I'm completely over The Matrix thanks to all the fanboys. The day people stop comparing everything to Matrix's subpar, slow-mo fight sequences will be the day I uhm... yea - that day.
10-27-03 | 11:16 PM
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That scene with Lucy Liu on top of the table (again) is especially crucial to me, because right after she cuts off the guy's head, there really isn't a need to say anything more. The scene is done. Putting any more on top of it just feels like overkill. He didn't accomplish anything by keeping the additional dialogue in there and getting Lucy to tell us what we already know: that she's a badass and that she won't be talked to like that. In fact, I think the scene lost a lot of its edginess with the dialogue.
but how come I love that little speech of hers so much ... finding it a highpoint of the movie .. even though i find the switch in language silly ...
food for thought
10-27-03 | 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by jough
He's convinced me. Give me my $8 back!
He's convinced me. Give me my $8 back!
I don't think so, Mr. Orange.I have to agree with caipirina and RichC2.
but how come I love that little speech of hers so much ... finding it a highpoint of the movie .. even though i find the switch in language silly
In real life, such a switch in language would be silly, but of course, this film is not the real world, its Tarantino-land. That end of the speech in English just wouldn't have had the same effect if it was in Japanese with English subtitles.
One of the things I find refreshing about Tarantino's films is that he likes to let scenes run longer than most filmmakers would (much to the frustration, often times, to editor Sally Menke). Sometimes it doesn't work for me, but usually it does.
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10-28-03 | 12:08 AM
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From: You have moved into a dark place. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
God, if you thought that scene was too long don't watch Mr. Blonde go to his car and back into the warehouse for the petrol can in Reservoir Dogs, or watch Jules and Vincent "hang back" because "it ain't quite time yet", or Butch sneak up to his own apartment for 2 and a half minutes in Pulp Fiction, or watch Jackie Brown go by on a people mover for nearly four minutes in Jackie Brown.
Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes).
Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes).
10-28-03 | 12:35 AM
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From: Friggin Fiji
Originally posted by jough
Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes).
Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes).