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Old 08-17-03 | 11:03 AM
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I actually enjoyed this cast, hey, there has been worse, al ot worse.

I went in thikning this was going to be an action movie between horror icons, how could anyone mistake that with anything else?

I thought the story was good enough, since they were combining two series, with two fanbases, and twenty years of history together.

B+ (x2)
Old 08-17-03 | 03:17 PM
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Just saw it..it was reasonably enjoyable. I am definitely a fan of the Nightmare series (or at least Parts 1, 3, New Nightmare) but have never been a fan of the 13th films. I wish there had been less talking of the plot points (at the beginning and the middle) I
Old 08-17-03 | 08:04 PM
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great fun!

very pleased.. dragged just a little in the middle, but never was bored. the last 20 minute fight scene made it all worth while! Never had such fun in the theater before! audience actually clapped at the end! when was the last time you experienced that in a theater?

B+.....but an A+++ for the last 20 minutes.
Old 08-17-03 | 08:09 PM
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whats the run time on this movie, can't find it anywhere
Old 08-17-03 | 08:35 PM
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Fandango has it at 97 minutes.
Old 08-17-03 | 08:44 PM
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I thought the movie was enjoyable enough, but like others I found the acting particularly painful. It seems everyone liked the stoner kid, but all I could think while watching him was how much funnier Mewes would have been in what was a role that was obviously designed for him.

The kills were pretty good, and the gore was very high, but the focus should have been more on Jason and Freddy. What's interesting is that I felt if they split these 2 movies apart you had the potential to make a really good movie respective to each franchise.

I would give it a B-.
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I thought the movie was enjoyable enough, but like others I found the acting particularly painful. It seems everyone liked the stoner kid, but all I could think while watching him was how much funnier Mewes would have been in what was a role that was obviously designed for him.


I would give it a B-.
I agree 100% with this. I actually laughed at the end when they panned out to the two people running. It reminded me of the cheap Baywatch scenes, except without the big tits juggling up and down.
Old 08-17-03 | 11:46 PM
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Just got back from seeing it ....

I have never had the chance to see the first five NOES movies on anything other than VHS/DVD. Did anyone think it was incredible seeing the little bits and parts of those films on the big screen at the beginning!!! I wish I could have seen those films when they first came out.
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I'm just glad I'm young enough to not have kids telling me about the kills or what to expect in the first NOES to see it on accident and love it and create a whole new interest in horror movies. The intro to Freddy Vs Jason was awesome for me. They played the music they play before almost all the NOES and the whole montage of the kills were an awesome beginning. I know I would've been in total awe if I saw Johnny Depp's kill in NOES on the big screen.
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I was pleasantly surprised that this was worth going to the theater for. I found the script to be engaging if a little scattershot. This has to be the most creative of the FTT series and one of the more cohesive of the Nightmare series. I am glad that Ronny Yu and company pulled it off with a minimum ofcowtowing to a teenage audience, and just going for it visually.
Go see this bad boy.
Old 08-18-03 | 04:12 AM
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I just saw this tonight with a friend & we both had a blast with it!!

After the pathetic Jason X(lame forced humor,no real splatter or nudity) & the just plain craptacular cleanliness of US modern 'horror' films still copying Scream.

It was nice to see a gore soaked film with some good ol gratuitous nudity thrown in for good measure.

I was surprised at the carnage getting by with an R rating. We haven't seen a gore soaked R rated film like this since Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight as the last modern U.S. gore film. Besides that,you'd have to go back even farther to the truely gruesome great horror films of the 70's & 80's.

So just when horror seemed to be in the toilet of no return...as cleaned up & safe as can be.

This year seems to be the backlash against 'clean' cinema with the strong R rated House of 1000 Corpses,Final Destination 2,Bad Boys 2 & now Freddy Vs Jason compared to the pussified 'R' ratings of the past few years,which were just as tame as any PG-13 film or worse.

Welcome back,R rating,we've missed ya!!


As for the plot holes like the mental institution kids on the run & hiding out back at home!. Well yeah,that had me scratching my head as well. Yet you know what? These films are always full of continuity mistakes,it's bes to not dwell on them. Then again,i mostly never notice the mistakes. So it's alittle jarring when stuff sticks out like a sore thumb. Then again Yu did say the film before being cut down ran over 2+ hours. So maybe scenes that would have fleshed out some of these questions were cut?


On the fight not being 'enough' for some people. You have to realize. All Vs films save the fight for last. Since would'nt it get boring watching the charecters beat the crap out of each other for two hours straight & nothing else?

Even the 'classic' Vs film Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman has basically no 'Vs' action until the final reel!

So trying to combine the two series/charecters & all lead up to the major brawl was all part of the fun. It delivered too & was just so outrageouslly absurd & cruel,that it was a blast to be had.
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I saw this Saturday night and had a blast, sure it's not a great movie or even very scary. But it was fun

I'm with Julie on the fight scenes, IMHO they built it up just right.
The one thing I really hated was
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the girl cutting Freddy's head off, it should have been Jason who did it

It also got me itching to buy the rest of the Friday movies, which I'm loath to do, with all the rumors about SE's upcoming.
Old 08-18-03 | 06:10 AM
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Have you seen 28 Days Later, Wrong Turn, Cabin Fever or House of 1,000 Corpses? The gory "R" movie has been back for a bit.
Old 08-18-03 | 08:16 AM
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I don't know if the 'R' rating is "back" or if the MPAA is just more acceptable to gore and violence these days. I do think that the horror genre is making a comeback and I think we have slowly saw that with 'Jeepers Creepers' and 'Final Destintation '. But the biggest thing that surprised me and proves (at least in my mind) to me that the horror genre is comin' back is the fact that a semi-low budget and un-hyped horror film and forgein, known as '28 Days Later' done extremely well , espically when you consider it was up against the likes of big blockbuster sequels like 'Terminator 3' and 'Charlie's Angels 2'.

Here's a question , while we are discussing horror movie's and Freddy Vs Jason... Do you guy's see a sequel / prequel to 'Nightmare on Elm Street' comin'? Do you want one? Or would you rather have a prequel / sequel to 'Friday the 13th' ? Personally, I would love to see a sequel to 'Friday the 13th' , but this time with a budget , good director (Hey Ronny!!!) and Ken wearin' the hockey mask (though I do miss Kane - Ken's Jason is a new and improved version). However, I feel that the movie and hype lends itself to yet another 'Nightmare on Elm Street', so I figure that is what we'll get.
Old 08-18-03 | 09:37 AM
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Keep in mind the final reel "gore" was largely limited to Jason and Freddy. While certainly a rare treat, far more cartoon than wholesale butchery. I don't think the rating would've held if the same things had been done to the likes of you or me on screen.

I'm pleased to see an impressive trend toward traditional horror, but I'm not as enamored with this outing as most. I'll have to roll it again before settling on either 3 or 3.5 stars. Monica Keena's squeaky Lori is a shrill boondoggle throughout ... no matter how low her neckline dips. And her final girl "heroics" are laughable. Kelly Rowland's "sista girl" schtick is nearly equally embarrassing. If only Katharine Isabelle had been afforded the Lori role. She proved her ability in Ginger Snaps for certain. I'm also baffled by Hollywood's obsession with horror "rules" ... they drag us by the hand again in this one, constantly reminding audiences what's doing. I thought Freddy'd gotten Alzheimers because he kept yapping about "his children forgetting" and "Jason's my errand boy."

I'd rate our director's Bride of Chucky higher, and as a fan of the pre-castration Mr. Voorhees, I'm inclined to do the same for Jason X.
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No a big fan of either franchise, but liked this movie. Very Fun!
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I enjoyed it much more than the last outings of either character. New Nightmare has some promise, but no matter how "sinister" Freddy was it still wasn't scary, and the ending was awful. Jason X was even campier than FvJ, and was pretty boring except for a couple funny moments. I agree that the voice over at the beginning should have been axed, it served no real purpose.
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Could someone who's actually seen this film, please list, in spoiler brackets, the deaths and give a description of each one?

I'm a Freddy fan, but have no intention of watching this and don't mind having the movie spoiled for me. I'm just curious about the death scenes.
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I enjoyed this movie! It was well worth going through the craziness from the recent east coast blackout. But I’m surprised at how many people didn’t like Kelly Rowland part in the movie. I think she played her part to a Tee. The one actor you wanted to really see get Freddy’s or Jason wrath!
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Originally posted by jeffkjoe
Could someone who's actually seen this film, please list, in spoiler brackets, the deaths and give a description of each one?

I'm a Freddy fan, but have no intention of watching this and don't mind having the movie spoiled for me. I'm just curious about the death scenes.
Odd logic... but I'll try...

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Freddy, while still alive, murders a young girl (we see the crying girl, but the actual murder is unseen - she screams). The parents of Springwood then come for him.

Jason kills a skinny-dipper (and, implied, her boyfriend) by stabbing her against a tree. The body then morphs into another body, then another, talking to Jason to the effect of "yes, we deserve to be slaughtered". Jason's mother appears and tells Jason he's asleep - this is all in his head.

Jason kills a drunken jock by stabbing him in his bed. He then folds the bed over double, bending the dead body with it.

Jock's best friend's dad's head is lopped off. Best friend is then stabbed repeatedly.

Passed-out girl at party is about to be killed by Freddy. While Freddy toys with her in the dream world, Jason arrives in the real world, and sees a raver about to rape her while she is passed out. Using a pole, Jason kills the two of them and sends the raver flying. In the dream world, Freddy watches the girl disappear, and gets a bit pissed off over the fact that Jason's taking his kills.

Jason goes on the warpath at the rave. He twists a jock's neck, skewers another jock as he runs away with a thrown flaming machete, then proceeds to slice through a number of partiers. No exact death toll - our heroes escape before he finishes.

A boy is killed by Freddy in the dream world (barbed wire through feet, burned back, blade-slashed face). the burned back has the message "Freddys Back" burned into it.

Jason attempts to kill a deputy, but the machete lands in a computer panel, electrocuting Jason and the deputy.

Jason slashes through a stoner, who is possessed by Freddy.

Jason throws a guy against a wall; he is stabbed by a protruding shelf support. He bleeds to death, slowly.

A girl is thrown back by the force of Jason's machete slash.

A girl's mother, in flashback, is shown being killed by Freddy.

Freddy is decapitated after Jason stabs him through the heart with his own knive-gloved arm. Jason is torched, stabbed, gouged and drowned. Apparently.


I think that's them all. See the film. Why wouldn't you want to?
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Well in my opinion. Alot more gore than usual was left intact,even if a few things 'may' have been cut to avoid an NC-17.

I was surprised at all the blood splattering,penetration shots which showed the blade going all the way through someone,complete with blood spewing & so forth left intact.

Since this stuff in slasher films,even the cartoonish ones are usually heavily cut since the MPAA slaps an NC-17/X on them all the time. Mostly whats left is a brief shot of blade making impact,then the rest is cut out,or sometime all the impact & aftermath is hacked out.

In the original Friday the 13th. Mrs Voorhee's decapitation was left intact,while the subsequent blood spewing/bone & grisl being shown as her headless body slowly falls to the ground was cut to avoid an X. All that was left of the headless body falling out of frame were of the shots not showing any blood spraying at all.

In this film,you see a head fall off & blood spraying out Dead Alive style,followed by another huge blood splat as a person is killed right away.

Heck the first real Jason kill in the film was pretty graphic for an R rated film. You saw the machete go all the way through the person,blood spraying + the victim twitching,before finally dieing..& then he's snapped in half!

Meanwhile a simple ax to the stomach followed by twitching before finally dieing in part 5 was cut to avoid an X,along with all the other gory moments!


As for the Freddy Vs Jason portion being left intact since it's cartoonish & they are unkillable monsters compared to the humans in the film.

Well the MPAA is usually pretty iffy in that area as well concerning bloodshed.

The zombie smooshing Dr. Hills head & tossing it against the way leaving a huge blood splat was completely cut in the R rated version of the film along with all the other gore.

Other monster & monster fights were usually cut down in some way to avoid an X,if they were pretty gruesome.

Alot of times the killers gruesome demise were cut down severely to avoid an X,when you think they would let it slide considering it's the big payoff of the villian at the hands of the victim right?

I remember seeing plenty of slasher films in cut form where the killers demise was butchured. The Burning is a great example. The nasty impact shot complete with bloodsplatter was hacked out sloppily as was an earlier impalment where you think the killer is dead. The ending with the killer of My Bloody Valentine tearing his own arm off to get away,is completely missing in the R version & makes the ending both disappointing & confusing since the sloppy edit/cuts take away from the impact.


So again it was a surprise to see this kind of material left intact for the most part in an R rated film. It's about time the NC-17 rating was abolished as it's a pointless rating considering how the MPAA usually uses that against the filmmakers. Which explains giving tame films like American Pie & Two Girls & A Guy NC-17's despite being soft R rated films in uncut form in my opinion!

Yet it seems sexuality is the one area the MPAA is still stuckup about as proven with those two films & just about any film dealing with sexuality.

If they are lightening up on violence. I hope they eventually wake up on sexuality as well!


Then again it seems the MPAA is always changing & goes through phases of sometimes being more linient..& other times more conservative as proven durring the 80's attack on gore in horror films.

So i won't be surprised if they crack down sometime in the future thanks to pathetic censorship pressure groups worrying about the 'corruption' of youth based on films,when that is all BS in the first place.
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Well in my opinion. Alot more gore than usual was left intact,even if a few things 'may' have been cut to avoid an NC-17.

I was surprised at all the blood splattering,penetration shots which showed the blade going all the way through someone,complete with blood spewing & so forth left intact.

Since this stuff in slasher films,even the cartoonish ones are usually heavily cut since the MPAA slaps an NC-17/X on them all the time. Mostly whats left is a brief shot of blade making impact,then the rest is cut out,or sometime all the impact & aftermath is hacked out.

In the original Friday the 13th. Mrs Voorhee's decapitation was left intact,while the subsequent blood spewing/bone & grisl being shown as her headless body slowly falls to the ground was cut to avoid an X. All that was left of the headless body falling out of frame were of the shots not showing any blood spraying at all.

In this film,you see a head fall off & blood spraying out Dead Alive style,followed by another huge blood splat as a person is killed right away.

Heck the first real Jason kill in the film was pretty graphic for an R rated film. You saw the machete go all the way through the person,blood spraying + the victim twitching,before finally dieing..& then he's snapped in half!

Meanwhile a simple ax to the stomach followed by twitching before finally dieing in part 5 was cut to avoid an X,along with all the other gory moments!


As for the Freddy Vs Jason portion being left intact since it's cartoonish & they are unkillable monsters compared to the humans in the film.

Well the MPAA is usually pretty iffy in that area as well concerning bloodshed.

The zombie smooshing Dr. Hills head & tossing it against the way leaving a huge blood splat was completely cut in the R rated version of the film along with all the other gore.

Other monster & monster fights were usually cut down in some way to avoid an X,if they were pretty gruesome.

Alot of times the killers gruesome demise were cut down severely to avoid an X,when you think they would let it slide considering it's the big payoff of the villian at the hands of the victim right?

I remember seeing plenty of slasher films in cut form where the killers demise was butchured. The Burning is a great example. The nasty impact shot complete with bloodsplatter was hacked out sloppily as was an earlier impalment where you think the killer is dead. The ending with the killer of My Bloody Valentine tearing his own arm off to get away,is completely missing in the R version & makes the ending both disappointing & confusing since the sloppy edit/cuts take away from the impact.


So again it was a surprise to see this kind of material left intact for the most part in an R rated film. It's about time the NC-17 rating was abolished as it's a pointless rating considering how the MPAA usually uses that against the filmmakers. Which explains giving tame films like American Pie & Two Girls & A Guy NC-17's despite being soft R rated films in uncut form in my opinion!

Yet it seems sexuality is the one area the MPAA is still stuckup about as proven with those two films & just about any film dealing with sexuality.

If they are lightening up on violence. I hope they eventually wake up on sexuality as well!


Then again it seems the MPAA is always changing & goes through phases of sometimes being more linient..& other times more conservative as proven durring the 80's attack on gore in horror films.

So i won't be surprised if they crack down sometime in the future thanks to pathetic censorship pressure groups worrying about the 'corruption' of youth based on films,when that is all BS in the first place.
but of course, the whole MPAA ratings game is hinged on the fact and re-evaluation on what the filmmakers thinks is too extreme (and subsequent trimming here and there), the board never details what they find objectionalbe, they are vague and say things like "oh, that's too bloody" or "too intense". That's why you'll find a number of murder sequences in the Friday the 13th series to be inconsistent in intensity and gore. Crispen Glover's death sequence in Part 4 is an excellent example of OTT violence - Jason makes sure he is killed not only with a corkscrew in his hand but impacts a macehette into his face - yet that same scene (minuse the corkscrew) in Part 2 with Mark getting his head slashed with a machette is completely watered down., oh well, enough of me ranting - gonna check this movie out tomorrow - hopefully.

Oh and Julie, I watched my copy of the original "Friday the 13th - the uncut version" over the weekend and was really amazed at finally seeing Kevin Bacon's death scene and the end decapitation scene intact -- woohoo!
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I hope Paramount does release the uncut F13ths on dvd. I want to see part 1 & well all of them to be truthful uncut. Though am really dieing for parts 1,2,5,6,7 the most as they suffered the most cuts.

With rumors of SE's on the way & the unexpectedly good weekend Box Office of this film. Paramount would be stupid to not cash in on this. We'll just have to wait & see. The $10 price tag on the current discounted dvds is tempting. Yet i'm going to do my best & hold out until further info on the upcoming rereleases is known.
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5 with cuts? I know a girl gets stabbed south of the border, but I'm not sure if that was shot. I remeber lots of blood and guts in that one (and plenty of t&a)

the movie is great, excellent end fight sequence
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I'm a Freddy fan, but have no intention of watching this.
That's a contradictory sentance if I've ever seen one... clearly, if you have no intention of seeing this movie, you are NOT a Freddy fan... WTF?? Go see it, if you are a fan then I'm sure you'll enjoy it... splurge...spend the $7 bucks and help support the character you're a fan of!!!!! It's well worth it, especially if you want to see more Nightmares...

MATT - a Freddy fan who has seen the flick twice so far...


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