Meh. AVP was pretty mediocre too. I'd rather have both die.

The Alien franchise needs to die already. After Cameron's Aliens you have IMO 1 ok film (Alien 3) and 4 turds in a row.

I don't care if Weaver comes back or not. Why interested all of a sudden? Is she not getting work anymore?

Nope. As much of a letdown as Alien 3 was, it turned out to be a great film on its own. Alien Resurrection is where the franchise fell into b-movie territory.

AvP was interesting how it combined our ancient history with the Alien and Predator mythos. However, it ruins the idea of the aliens themselves. They come across less alien if they've been with humans, and on Earth, this whole time. Ripley struggling to destroy the colony and derelict at LV-426, and sacrificing herself on a desolate prison planet, all so that the alien could never "infect" Earth was all for nothing then.

Probably just wants that one last great franchise payday that most formerly huge actors want. See Harrison Ford returning to Star Wars and Dan Akroyd desperately trying to do another Ghostbusters.

I agree that it has to die.

I think that if they were going to do another flick that it should be a sequel to Aliens with Newt taking over the lead with some minor support from Ripley and Hicks. I'm not sure how they would do it or make up for the lost time or whatever but I think that would be the best route to take.

make Alien 3 and Alien 4 Ripley's cryogenic nightmare.

After re watching Alien Resurrection again since seeing it when it first came out, it's a hell of a lot better than I remember and better than Alien 3 and the AvP movies.

I think the action sequences, esp. the underwater scene are pretty top-notch.

Plus, Perlman and most of the cast are pretty awesome.

It was good until Alien babby. That part sucked hard.

Where does babby come from?!

The best thing about Alien Resurrection were the closing credits telling me that this disaster was finally over.

Resurrection isn't better than Alien 3, but it's got some interesting ideas that suffer from improper execution. I actually like the face of the hybrid baby, but the design of the body is so bizarre.

I wish more people would revisit AR and give it another chance. It is nowhere near as bad as it is portrayed. Yes, I will agree it is flawed and the end is inexcusably terrible ... But the rest is actually pretty damn good.

I could do with another chapter in the Alien saga. (I'll take a follow up to Predators too, please.)

As for another Ripley story ... Don't need it, don't want it. Sigourney can kid herself all she wants, but there is not more of Ripley's story needing to be told. Ripley died. "Game over, man."

alien 3 ruins the ending in aliens. so alien 3 sucks for the reason.

AR isn't terrible, IMO. It picks an interesting writer and director, but the film itself is something of a mess, though a handful of scenes are fascinating-the aborted hybrids, the water sequence, and the final sequence is interesting in conception, if not execution. The biggest problem is that it's kind of pointless-whatever you think of the third film (and it has a few fans), it's at least a rather conclusive ending. The fourth one feels like they're dragging it back out for more cash, it has a slightly off-the-wall premise that sounds almost DTV on paper. In execution, it's pretty flawed, but kind of interesting in places.

It's too bad they censored the design of the hybrid. The uncensored version of the alien had this giant clitoris/penis going down it's entire mid section, but the execs freaked out and said no way to that and they cgi'd it out.




I also don't hate Aliens 4, because I love everything Jean Pierre-Juenet has done. It was bold of Fox to hire an auteur coming right off of City of Lost Children (a masterpiece, IMO) to do that film.

Actually, when you consider the choices they made for the first three Alien films (Scott and Fincher had only done commercials, and Terminator wasn't even out when they signed Cameron for Aliens), choosing Jeunet was right in line.

I do sort of wonder if the mess that became of the Alien franchise doesn't fall on Weaver.

I remember that an early tagline for Alien III was "On Earth everybody can hear you scream." And the unfilmed draft by William Gibson didn't feature Ripley, but instead focused on Hicks and Bishop.

Then, Alien^3 came out, and it didn't take place on Earth and Ripley was killed off. Ripley's death smacks of contract negotiations, like "Okay, I'll do this movie, but I don't want to do anymore, so I want my character to be killed off." I really doubt Fox would want to kill off Ripley unless it was the actor's insistence.

And then, I remember after Alien^3 came out that Weaver made some kind of comment during an interview about not doing a fourth Alien movie unless they were able to clone Ripley using her fingernail clippings.

Then we get Alien Resurrection with a clone of Ripley and still no Earth, at least until the end when all of the aliens are dead.

It seems like a lot of the bad storytelling decisions are coming from Weaver.

Along with the Mission: Impossible franchise, it's one of the few big Hollywood series where the choices of directors have been relatively bold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3

Originally Brandywine Productions was approached by 20th Century Fox to create two more sequels. After going through several ideas, David Giler and Walter Hill, the film series producers, "settled upon a complex two-part story that offered the underhanded Weyland-Yutani Corporation facing off with a militarily aggressive culture of humans whose rigid socialist ideology has caused them to separate from Earth's society." Sigourney Weaver (Ripley) would only make a cameo appearance in the third film, with the lead role going to Michael Biehn's Corporal Hicks from Aliens. Alien 4 would see the return of Ripley "in an epic battle with alien warriors mass produced by the expatriated Earthlings." Weaver in particular liked the Cold War metaphor and agreed to the smaller role.

Weaver also agreed on being removed because she did not like the studio changes to Aliens, which removed scenes of Ripley's backstory that she considered crucial. Although 20th Century Fox were skeptical about the idea, they agreed to finance the development of the story, but asked that Hill and Giler attempt to get Ridley Scott to direct Alien 3. They also asked that the two films be shot back to back to lessen the production costs. However this proved to be difficult as Ridley Scott, though interested, was busy working on three films at the time. In September 1987, Giler and Hill approached cyberpunk author, William Gibson, to write the script for the third film. Gibson, who was influenced by Alien, agreed to write the script.

I actually like A4 more than A3 until the alien hybrid shows up. After that, the movie turns into a total clusterfuck. But before that I liked it. I liked the Ripley clone, I like the ragtag pirate crew. I liked the idea that the company was still trying to weaponize the alien using Ripley's DNA. Then it all falls off a cliff.

Alien: Resurrection just feels too disconnected to the rest of the series. I'm not a fan, personally. On the other hand, after seeing the restored workprint version of Alien 3, that one really grew on me. The real abominations, however, are the AVP films. There's nothing redeeming there at all.

It's best we not speak of AvP.