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RocShemp 03-06-15 07:25 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Um, your spoilered response actually agrees with me.
Spoiler:
Your mentioning of his saying "abracadabra" and the feeling it engenders in the audience actually enforces what I already stated.
Now that the sleight of hand didn't work on you is another matter altogether. You're like the little boy who immediately spotted the trick with the birds.

But, yes, all throughout the movie
Spoiler:
Nolan is laying red herrings on thick like the wife yelling "I know what you are". It's all misdirection. All these things are the pretty assistant to keep the audience distracted from what's really happening. It's all set dressing.

DaveyJoe 03-06-15 07:33 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
I haven't seen Interstellar yet, but The Prestige is the only Nolan film I didn't like. I thought it was a total bore.

RocShemp 03-06-15 07:56 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
The only Nolan film I didn't like was Following. I couldn't even finish it. It's just a total chore to sit through it.

Solid Snake 03-06-15 08:56 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by brayzie (Post 12414989)
I think it was smart to cut it from the first film because it's giving away too much information about this unknown creature. But yeah, in a lot of ways it makes more sense. It's supposed to survive in any environment and having the ability to recreate more xenomorphs enhances that survival of the species aspect. It doesn't need a female or insect queen. It replicates itself in whatever living organism it encounters. It's like an unintentional homage to Invasion of the Body Snatchers.




It is his best film. But I didn't think it was so fucked up. I only wish they had timed the
Spoiler:
scene better where one of the brothers hangs and the next one appears before Angier. I assume the audience was supposed to believe that Alfred did the "transported man" one last time, but since Angier is hearing someone in the room with him it's obvious that it can't be Alfred (who is still getting ready to hang).
But considering how ambitious the film was technically and story-wise, how well everything came together, and it's complexity, it's easier to ignore. Also my favorite Christian Bale film.
I do think it's fucked up. They're obsessions driving each "one" to the extremes in being the best. The harm that is caused on themselves. Towards others.The lies. The ethical and moral issues they go to for their goals. Yeah. It's fucked up. Not like Korean or Japanese fucked up or whatever but...still...

inri222 03-06-15 08:56 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12414840)
Memento has pacing issues (mainly in the dull as hell middle, before the reveal of Carrie-Anne Moss' motives). The Prestige is far more polished.
IMO The Prestige is another Nolan film that tries to be more sophisticated than it is and it is really just a fancier version of an M. Night Shyamalan film.

Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12415072)
The only Nolan film I didn't like was Following. I couldn't even finish it. It's just a total chore to sit through it.
We're just 2 different people because I think Following is good. I also liked Insomnia but I prefer the original. I guess I prefer the low budget, no special effect, no sci-fi/fantasy Nolan films.

RichC2 03-06-15 08:59 AM
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I love The Prestige but hate the ending "twist" which didn't work for me (I know others didn't mind it). Unlike M. Night movies though, I was fully engaged from beginning to end.

Alien 5!

Dan 03-06-15 09:01 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
So, um... how about those Aliens, eh?

inri222 03-06-15 09:08 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by Dan (Post 12415105)
So, um... how about those Aliens, eh?
No more Alien films please just let it die.

http://f.blick.ch/img/aktuell/origs2...644-h429/H.jpg

james2025a 03-06-15 09:35 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 12415102)
I love The Prestige but hate the ending "twist" which didn't work for me (I know others didn't mind it). Unlike M. Night movies though, I was fully engaged from beginning to end.

Alien 5!
I think the Prestige is Nolans best movie. And i really loved the ending. I think this movie and Insomnia get overlooked due to his larger scale movies. Both excellent films to watch.

DaveyJoe 03-06-15 09:59 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12415072)
The only Nolan film I didn't like was Following. I couldn't even finish it. It's just a total chore to sit through it.
Oh, I haven't seen that one either.

dhmac 03-06-15 10:27 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414168)
You know, I always thought the Queen was such a cool addition to the Alien mythos, but thinking about it now, the original conception of a single xeno being able to morph people into eggs is infinitely more frightening on multiple levels.
Yeah, I think I like that idea (called "Eggmorphing") more too than the idea that aliens need a queen in order to create eggs. I know it's a part of the alien mythos anyway but it hasn't been shown that way in any of the sequels.

I think a deleted scene of both Dallas and Brett cocooned to create more aliens is in the 2003 "Director's Cut" of Alien (a cut which isn't as good as the theatrical cut, but I think is worth watching for fans just for a slightly different take on the movie).

Here's a so-so quality video of that scene (which occurs at the 1hr 35min mark of the DC):
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/dS5MtzrW1vU?rel=0&amp;showinfo=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

( Movie-Censorship.com comparison of "Alien" theatrical cut vs. director's cut )

Why So Blu? 03-06-15 11:04 AM
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Okay, enough with the Nolan BS. Get back on topic.

inri222 03-06-15 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12415235)
Okay, enough with the Nolan BS. Get back on topic.
I agree, discussing Nolan is no fun without stvn1974. :sarcasm:

hanshotfirst1138 03-06-15 11:47 AM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12415101)
IMO The Prestige is another Nolan film that tries to be more sophisticated than it is and it is really just a fancier version of an M. Night Shyamalan film.
I disagree, I think it's one of Nolan's better films, without the gloss of his later blockbusters, and the themes of obsession and illusion which Nolan loves actually fit with the characters.

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12413696)
Given the recent reviews for Chappie, I'm kind of wondering if Blomkamp won't continue the recent trend we've seen with this franchise.
It's starting to look like District 9 was a fluke. Cue the "Peter Jackson actually directed it!" rumors or something. Personally, I thought that the first half was quite interesting before it turned into a video game.

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley (Post 12413478)
As each film takes more mystery away from the xenos, the more boring the xenos become.
That's true of almost any franchise though. Less is more. The more sequels try to build convoluted mythologies, the more they take away what audiences wondered about in the first place. It's happened with every slasher movie almost every franchise ever.

Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12414510)
If by "good" you mean "breathtakingly stupid", then yes, it was "good".
No, I think by "good" he means "interesting" or actually even "good."

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414560)
The Prestige is Nolan's best film.
It's certainly his most Nolan film, I think it's the one which best encapsulated all of his tricks and interests.

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 12414571)
He should co-direct a movie. He's obviously very good with visuals and visual effects, now he just needs someone to carry the other aspects of filmmaking.
As he came out of a VFX background, it's not surprising.

RocShemp 03-06-15 04:00 PM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12415101)
We're just 2 different people because I think Following is good. I also liked Insomnia but I prefer the original. I guess I prefer the low budget, no special effect, no sci-fi/fantasy Nolan films.
I like Insomnia a great deal and find it to be his most underrated picture. Most people seem to piss all over it for being a remake to an already great film.

RocShemp 03-06-15 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12415279)
I agree, discussing Nolan is no fun without stvn1974. :sarcasm:
Did he get banned or did he taffer himself?

Solid Snake 03-06-15 04:12 PM
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Insomnia is pretty good, yo. I also think cuz it's remake it gets thrown under the rug. But... it's good. Good lookin BD too. I need to the Criterion BD of the original. LOVE Skärsgard.

I bought Following on DVD some time ago. I think a bit after TDK. Cuz it seemed like Nolan was pretty damn impressive to me considering that Memento was good too, I was interested to see his debut. I regretted Following. I don't pass out in movies unless I'm tired but I wasn't tired at all. Following knocked me the fuck out about 40 minutes in or whatever. Boring as fuck. I'll have to try it out again. But The Prestige is solid. The themes, the story, the acting, the effects, etc. Exceedingly controlled and restrained to NOT overblow the intensity and mystique of the unknown elements in the film. Damn good film.

Mike86 03-06-15 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12415503)
Did he get banned or did he taffer himself?
He's still around just doesn't seem to be posting as much recently. I've seen some of his posts the past couple days or so though.

Back to Alien though, I guess like others I have mixed feelings on Blomkamp directing at this point. I agree District 9 is pretty good and I'm planning to see CHAPPiE despite the poor reviews but I really want the next film to be good and lift it up from the weaker third and fourth films. I'm glad that Weaver is on board but I am kind of wondering what the storyline for Ripley will be at this point. I'm likely to see it no matter what I just hope it isn't crappy.

Abob Teff 03-06-15 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12414566)
I think Neill's biggest problem (so far) is that he writes (or co-writes with his wife) everything that he's directed. I'd really like to see him tackle a really well-written script. Get David Giler or Walter Hill to help him or re-write him on the new Alien flick and we'll see what we have.
Is there any director in Hollywood that is good when they take a film from cradle to grave? I know most train wrecks happen with too many cooks in the kitchen, but, in the same vein, movies benefit from multiple POVs in the creative process.

After watching the documentaries, I am torn as to whether Giler or Hill would bring benefit to be project.

Abob Teff 03-06-15 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12415279)
I agree, discussing Nolan is no fun without stvn1974. :sarcasm:
Didn't he singlehandedly guarantee us a Spiderman sequel by buying a ticket or a BluRay? Or something like that.

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12415507)
I'm glad that Weaver is on board but I am kind of wondering what the storyline for Ripley will be at this point. I'm likely to see it no matter what I just hope it isn't crappy.
I'm telling you ... A-B-C-D-E ... It makes perfect sense ...

Originally Posted by Abob Teff (Post 12410377)
OK, I just thought of something that works for #5 and I would not be averse to.
If we have to bring Sigourney Weaver back, bring her back as the one thing she despises almost as much as the Aliens ... Bring her back as Ellen, not as Ripley.

Dr. DVD 03-07-15 03:15 PM
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My prediction for the plot if Blomkamp directs:

-Movie somehow manages to take place on an economically downtrodden planet, a literal "third world" . It will be full of people scraping by on the streets.
-Weyland-Yutani will have captured Xenomorph technology and don't know what they really have.
-Ripley and Hicks take up with a group of down trodden people who are being victimize by both Yutani and the aliens (perhaps the people are being abducted from the streets by the evil company to use in alien experiments).
-The movie is promising for about 2/3 then turns into a "bug hunt" shoot em up in the final act utilizing every cliche imaginable.
-Oh, and an android appears.

Why So Blu? 03-07-15 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12416094)
My prediction for the plot if Blomkamp directs:

-Movie somehow manages to take place on an economically downtrodden planet, a literal "third world" . It will be full of people scraping by on the streets.
-Weyland-Yutani will have captured Xenomorph technology and don't know what they really have.
-Ripley and Hicks take up with a group of down trodden people who are being victimize by both Yutani and the aliens (perhaps the people are being abducted from the streets by the evil company to use in alien experiments).
-The movie is promising for about 2/3 then turns into a "bug hunt" shoot em up in the final act utilizing every cliche imaginable.
-Oh, and an android appears.


I'm so fucking in!


That's pretty much what Earth was alluded to in Resurrection. Hell, it looked like shit at the end of the extended cut of that version.

slop101 03-07-15 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12416097)
I'm so fucking in!
You're not particularly discerning, are you?

RocShemp 03-07-15 08:59 PM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 12416094)
My prediction for the plot if Blomkamp directs:

-Movie somehow manages to take place on an economically downtrodden planet, a literal "third world" . It will be full of people scraping by on the streets.
-Weyland-Yutani will have captured Xenomorph technology and don't know what they really have.
-Ripley and Hicks take up with a group of down trodden people who are being victimize by both Yutani and the aliens (perhaps the people are being abducted from the streets by the evil company to use in alien experiments).
-The movie is promising for about 2/3 then turns into a "bug hunt" shoot em up in the final act utilizing every cliche imaginable.
-Oh, and an android appears.
What's sad is that everyone gives D9 a pass but bitches about Elysium doing the same fucking thing. :lol:

Why So Blu? 03-07-15 09:29 PM
Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 
Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12416156)
You're not particularly discerning, are you?
No, I'm just not a elitist douche. These Alien movies are what they are. Let it go.


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