Batman Begins (D: Nolan)
08-10-04 | 07:54 PM
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This is going to be sweet.
08-12-04 | 05:23 PM
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I kinda wanted Rahs Al Gul to have the cool hair.. not be bald. 
08-13-04 | 09:46 AM
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Everytime I see the Batman costume, I picture him trying to get up from a sofa and the blades on his arms are stuck in fabric. He finally struggles free and looks back at the sofa with huge patches of fabric missing. The camera backs up to show the fabric hanging from the blades on his arms.
Sorry, I had to get this out of my head.
Sorry, I had to get this out of my head.
08-13-04 | 10:37 AM
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David Goyer, who wrote the screenplay for the upcoming prequel film Batman Begins, told SCI FI Wire that his take on the iconic character is much more rooted in reality than previous film incarnations of the caped crusader. "We just approached everything from the standpoint of—and [director] Chris [Nolan] has talked about this—Batman is the most realistic of the costumed superheroes, and he doesn't have any super powers, and he employs high technology and training and things like that," Goyer said in an interview at Comic-Con International in San Diego last week. "The thing that's cool about Batman is that when you're a kid growing up and imagining yourself being him, if you had access to that kind of money and that technology, you could be him."
I'm sick of fanboys (and Goyer, like most people working in the comics field these days, is nothing more than an overgrown fanboy) who have to justify their love of Batman by saying he's "realistic." He's a grown man who dresses up in a funny costume and punches people. He gets beaten, shot, and stabbed all the time and keeps coming back for more. He fights a homicidal clown, a plant woman, and a guy with "fear gas." He's no more realistic than Superman or Spider-Man.By all means, enjoy a good Batman story -- I certainly do -- but even if I had all of Bruce Wayne's money and all of his drive, I'd no more be able to do what Batman does than I could do what Wonder Woman does.
09-14-04 | 03:47 PM
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Zimmer & Newton Howard Scoring Batman Begins
I just read this over at SuperheroHype.com!!! This looks to be awesome! Both composers have made fantastic scores! Both of them together on this project is wonderful news. C'mon BATMAN!
09-14-04 | 04:24 PM
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Both together? Interesting. Zimmer can be quite good, but Newton Howard I'm more excited for. He's proven to work well with darker music and more thematic orchestrated compositions. His work on M Nights films have been stellar, not to mention other scores like Waterworld which were excellent action scores. Sounds good, but it'll be interesting to see (hear) these two work together.
09-14-04 | 04:41 PM
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Howard (Newton is his middle name, not part of his last name) I can live with, Zimmer I can live without. The two are good friends and have collaborated to an extent in the past, so maybe that will work out for the better.
Even if Danny Elfman had been approached, the problem with his music as of late is that so many of his main themes sound interchangeable. He insists on integrating his own performances (they're nothing more than sampled percussions) with the orchestra. It's like he has a limited sound library or something.
Even if Danny Elfman had been approached, the problem with his music as of late is that so many of his main themes sound interchangeable. He insists on integrating his own performances (they're nothing more than sampled percussions) with the orchestra. It's like he has a limited sound library or something.
09-14-04 | 06:36 PM
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I'd feel better if it was just Newton-Howard. Zimmer's pretty much been doing variations on his score for Gladiator for films he's scored after that.
09-15-04 | 12:50 AM
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The man who composed The Thin Red Line score will get a chance from me any day of the week.
I have no opinion about Newton-Howard. I'm not sure if it's a good thing or bad that his scores seem unmemorable to me. There are some film music fans who claim that is 'seamlessness' and that's a positive.
I have no opinion about Newton-Howard. I'm not sure if it's a good thing or bad that his scores seem unmemorable to me. There are some film music fans who claim that is 'seamlessness' and that's a positive.
09-15-04 | 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by Jepthah
The man who composed The Thin Red Line score will get a chance from me any day of the week.
The man who composed The Thin Red Line score will get a chance from me any day of the week.
09-15-04 | 01:38 AM
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Wait a second? A super hero movie without that ham fisted hack Danny Elfman?!? YES! There *IS* a god!
The only thing holding Spiderman 2 back from Superman levels of greatness was that piece of shit score that Elfman phoned in. What a total turd that one was.
But this - I like Zimmer's work. I like Newt's work. This is like peanut butter and choloclate in one peanut butter cup of goodness!
The only thing holding Spiderman 2 back from Superman levels of greatness was that piece of shit score that Elfman phoned in. What a total turd that one was.
But this - I like Zimmer's work. I like Newt's work. This is like peanut butter and choloclate in one peanut butter cup of goodness!
09-15-04 | 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by El-Kabong
Wait a second? A super hero movie without that ham fisted hack Danny Elfman?!? YES! There *IS* a god!
The only thing holding Spiderman 2 back from Superman levels of greatness was that piece of shit score that Elfman phoned in. What a total turd that one was.
But this - I like Zimmer's work. I like Newt's work. This is like peanut butter and choloclate in one peanut butter cup of goodness!
Wait a second? A super hero movie without that ham fisted hack Danny Elfman?!? YES! There *IS* a god!
The only thing holding Spiderman 2 back from Superman levels of greatness was that piece of shit score that Elfman phoned in. What a total turd that one was.
But this - I like Zimmer's work. I like Newt's work. This is like peanut butter and choloclate in one peanut butter cup of goodness!
09-15-04 | 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by NitroJMS
I initially didn't like the Spider-Man theme either, but once I started hearing it on a regular basis on Cinemagic on XM, I started to like it more and more. I like the fact that its more subtle and layered. It's not boombastic and overdone like the Superman or Batman themes, but neither is the Spider-Man character. He's a multi-layered guy who isn't a grand champion of justice, just a normal kid who happens to be a super hero, and I think the subdued score fits that perfectly.
I initially didn't like the Spider-Man theme either, but once I started hearing it on a regular basis on Cinemagic on XM, I started to like it more and more. I like the fact that its more subtle and layered. It's not boombastic and overdone like the Superman or Batman themes, but neither is the Spider-Man character. He's a multi-layered guy who isn't a grand champion of justice, just a normal kid who happens to be a super hero, and I think the subdued score fits that perfectly.
One of the best descriptions of the score!
09-15-04 | 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by NitroJMS
I initially didn't like the Spider-Man theme either, but once I started hearing it on a regular basis on Cinemagic on XM, I started to like it more and more. I like the fact that its more subtle and layered. It's not boombastic and overdone like the Superman or Batman themes, but neither is the Spider-Man character. He's a multi-layered guy who isn't a grand champion of justice, just a normal kid who happens to be a super hero, and I think the subdued score fits that perfectly.
I initially didn't like the Spider-Man theme either, but once I started hearing it on a regular basis on Cinemagic on XM, I started to like it more and more. I like the fact that its more subtle and layered. It's not boombastic and overdone like the Superman or Batman themes, but neither is the Spider-Man character. He's a multi-layered guy who isn't a grand champion of justice, just a normal kid who happens to be a super hero, and I think the subdued score fits that perfectly.
Hopefully, the new Batman doesn't have this problem. Both Elfman and Goldenthal turned in good work for their repspective Batman films (granted, the somewhat cheesy style that existed in the latter two films no doubt had influence on the score, but it was still good in it own right imo).
09-15-04 | 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by jaeufraser
I agree the Spiderman score is ok, and the theme ain't that bad. But Spiderman is an iconic character and could have used an amazing theme, which worked fabulously for Superman and for a previous chracter that Elfman scored, Batman. The XMen films too lack this flair in the music, both sporting effective but overall not memorable music.
Hopefully, the new Batman doesn't have this problem. Both Elfman and Goldenthal turned in good work for their repspective Batman films (granted, the somewhat cheesy style that existed in the latter two films no doubt had influence on the score, but it was still good in it own right imo).
I agree the Spiderman score is ok, and the theme ain't that bad. But Spiderman is an iconic character and could have used an amazing theme, which worked fabulously for Superman and for a previous chracter that Elfman scored, Batman. The XMen films too lack this flair in the music, both sporting effective but overall not memorable music.
Hopefully, the new Batman doesn't have this problem. Both Elfman and Goldenthal turned in good work for their repspective Batman films (granted, the somewhat cheesy style that existed in the latter two films no doubt had influence on the score, but it was still good in it own right imo).
X2 didn't really have any memorable themes either, and I dread what John Ottman's going to do with Superman Returns. The new Superman franchise is one case where I wouldn't mind them simply mining Williams' old material and simply basing new work on his existing themes while developing some new themes also. Warner Bros. already did it once with Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets when Williams was unavailable.
09-16-04 | 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by NitroJMS
X-Men should have used the vastly superior theme from the animated series. The first movie's score even seemed to have some allusions to it, but it never really picked up.
X2 didn't really have any memorable themes either, and I dread what John Ottman's going to do with Superman Returns. The new Superman franchise is one case where I wouldn't mind them simply mining Williams' old material and simply basing new work on his existing themes while developing some new themes also. Warner Bros. already did it once with Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets when Williams was unavailable.
X-Men should have used the vastly superior theme from the animated series. The first movie's score even seemed to have some allusions to it, but it never really picked up.
X2 didn't really have any memorable themes either, and I dread what John Ottman's going to do with Superman Returns. The new Superman franchise is one case where I wouldn't mind them simply mining Williams' old material and simply basing new work on his existing themes while developing some new themes also. Warner Bros. already did it once with Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets when Williams was unavailable.
With regards to your idea of them using Williams old theme, I actually think that would be pretty great. It's a timeless piece of music that is very associated with the brand, and I think it would work quite well.
Though, Batman I hope (and am sure will) should probably stray from the original Batman theme (from the Burton movie) regardless of its quality. I've no doubt they won't use it, though, so it's a moot point.
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