Got back from seeing it a few hours ago...

Good movie but when John Logan said in an interview that this was an homage to TWOK, he wasnt kidding. Sad that Trek is ripping itself off so much lately and blatantly too.
This movie was essentially TWOK with a bit of Star Trek TUC thrown in.
Good character scenes but not enough of them to offset the contrived action scenes that just didnt seem to belong in Trek in the first place.

Would have loved to see some more moments with the crew and hey, what happend to Worfs part? No wonder Michael Dorn almost didnt do the movie.
Hes basically set decoration as is Beverly. And what does Riker really have to do other than his little Fight Scene towards the end?
Geordi gets a few Techno Bable scenes and he's wasted too.

I know not everyone is going to get equal screen time but the whole Data plot thread just didnt do it for me. You can tell that Spiner had story credit because he not only gets to play one character, but two.
Picards whole clone thingy was ok but not as compelling as I would have hoped for. Schinzon was more like Chang from Star Trek 6 than anything. He didnt seem menacing enough although Hardy did do a good job.

I felt cheated with the whole Data thing at the end because low and behold there is B4 still there. Very convenient! I thought the whole story in the first place was because Spiner was saying he was too old and wasnt sure if he wanted to do Trek anymore. Or was that something he just said during salary negotiations?

Though it was great to see the characters I enjoy back again, I think that it's quite possible that they took a lot of the Meaty scenes out in favor of Action which I think was a mistake, but then again the powers that be at Paramount keep approving underwear clad plotlines every week on Enterprise, so...

The movie could have kept a good additional 10-15 minutes of the movie easily. Would have hurt to have the Wesley scenes left in or more scenes with Beverly et all? Where is it written that Picard and Data are the only ones that get big roles?

Maybe we will get some of this back on the DVD integrated into the film. I think it would make more of a Rich film and give the movie some more resonance.

Not a perfect film but enjoyable, and still light years ahead of the last two Star Wars movies which are more of an excercise in special effects technology than anything.

Id give it a B-

I thought Nemesis was pretty good, but it could have been better.

There were too many of the old standby Trek cliche's, and I would pin that on Rick Berman. He has no business co-writing these movies. I would go so far as to say that Paramount should pull him off of all Trek related shows and movies. (Oh, almost all of you wanted that YEARS ago? Nevermind... )

Seriously, though, it did seem like a big, blown up version of the TV series, and less like a theatrical movie. Sure, the effects were better, and some of the other production values were better, but all of the TV cliche's were there.

Bring in Nicholas Meyer for the next one.

I will say this, however - two of the three things I wanted to see in ST 10 were there in the story:



Now if only they had promoted Picard at the end and then I would have been VERY satisfied.

All in all, Nemesis was entertaining and fairly exciting, and it was nice to see the entire Next Gen crew back together one more time.

I'd rate it 3 1/2 out of 5, (or grade it as a "B"). Well worth seeing for Trek fans, for Sci Fi fans, and fans of "popcorn" movies. Just go and have fun.

My favorite line: "Ladies, Gentlemen and other invited trans-gender species..." LOL.

Everyone seems to agree that this Trek is good but nothing exceptional. I wonder where all of the legions of Trekkies have gone and why they have forsaken what could be a fine finale to the series?

Could it be they all finally got lives? (I mean it in jest, of course, my Jedi Bretheren and I have no real room to talk!)

This has already been discussed quite a bit, so I won't bother going into major details...

But, I saw it last night and I liked it quite a bit. Not the best film ever made, but not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be (based on reviews and internet comments). Heck, I may actually go see it again before it leaves the theaters.

My wife enjoyed it as well, and she isn't really a huge Trek fan. (Although she knows more about it than an average person, mostly through osmosis.) It was like most of the other Trek movies -- some great action sequences, a few funny lines, a few groaners, a few plot points that you can nitpick. But, in the end, it was also really fun.

And now, if this follows the same pattern as most recent Trek films, the studio will be "disappointed" with the box office, the stars will complain that they want to "move on"... and a few years from now, they'll get together and make another one.

I agree Cal Jedi. That was a very funny line.
You think in the next movie Picard will find his son that he didnt know he had?
Thats the only plot device they Didnt recycle from a previous movie.

Who would've thought Worf knew who Irving Berlin was?

Hey, but if anything I'm pretty sure we've seen the first car chase in ST history. Is that a bad sign? They're going backwards now.

Wesley? They should have at least have Riker rib him with a line like, "So how are things going on that alternate plane of existance?"

Well I thought this film was okay, but nothing too special. I did feel that the entire film seemed a bit narrow in it's focus.

You never see another single Federation ship other than the Enterprise. Janeway is in fact the only other person in the Federation that they ever show. It seems that Romulus is run by about 5 people. Even the bad guys seem to have a crew compliment of about 10. I mean, how many of them actually beamed over to the Enterprise to board the ship? Six? It seems to me that if you want to board and take over a ship, you should send a lot heavily armed soldiers and beam them all over the ship, not just on one deck. Hell, those six might have done better had they beamed straight to the bridge. Whatever.

Been watching Trek since an early age and when it first came on the air. Have enjoyed two of the reincarnations - TNG and DS9 - and can't give you two cents for the other two - Voyager and Enterprise. IE: I am a Trek fan, but just because it's Trek, doesn't mean that I like it. That being said:

Overall the movie was okay. Still like First Contact better. I liked meeting the Remans and that they looked different. I liked the effects and the new Warbird/prototype. I like that *finally* Riker and Troi got married. The occasional one liners were good. "It appears to be a robotic arm." "Very astute." It was interesting to see the Romulan senate. Ron Perlman's voice is also a plus. Nice to see Riker get promoted and his own ship and that they are working on relations with the Romulans.

The lame stuff: the enemy is a clone of Picard and not very scary and just didn't wow me, the Romulan Ship pulling away from the Enterprise in the end when the two ships were meshed, and this worked?, the whole thing with B4 (who is NOT Lore. They determined early on that his neural pathways or whatever were not nearly as sophisticated as Data. Had it been Lore, it wouldn't have been so obvious). B4 essentially told me early on that Data was the one who was going to die, but with B4 there (plus, no one really dies in ST), he really wasn't gone. Which made the ending very anticlimatic to me. I didn't feel the same sense of loss as I did with Spock or Kirk dying. Although Spock came back, and if they really wanted to, they could find a way to bring back Kirk. Wesley shows up with NO explanation of how he got back, where's he's been, etc, etc, etc.

Wrath of Khan meets TNG with a more boring story and enemy. I give it a C. I don't care when it comes out on DVD. It's past it's prime, put it to rest and give us a break.

I saw Star Trek Nemesis twice this weekend -- once on opening night, since my wife is very into Star Trek and likes to see the films opening night, and once on Sunday, with another good friend of mine who's also very into Trek, but couldn't join us Sunday. The good news is I liked the film better the second time -- the slow pacing of the middle act wasn't as bad once you know where the story is going, and the action sequences held up well.

Here's the thing, though -- the second time I watched it, I started noticing the direction. And not in a good way.

There are two secenes in particular that stood out for me, and I guess I'll give a quick, spoiler-protected description of them.



Here's the thing about those two scenes -- both were framed horribly. In scene 1, instead of a long shot of the statue falling over and shattering, we get a series of close ups. And in scene 2, instead of a two-shot of the two characters confronting each other, arguing over whether they truly are more alike than not, we get a series of one-shots. Scene 1, I suppose, could have been a legitimate choice, but scene 2 was a blatant violation of Directing 101. When you have two characters confronting each other, give the audience some shots of them confronting each other! Don't give me a series of over-the-shoulder shots so that I never have both characters in frame at the same time!

So I chalked this up to bad directing, but then I thought about, and it's possible there is something worse going on. Because the commonality of these two shots is that if they were framed correctly, neither shot would work in full frame! Is it possible that this movie was filmed with full frame in mind, and the director purposely avoided using anything other than the center of the screen? If so, that's a bad development for filmmaking.

Of course, another possibility is that the director realized that

I think it's just poor directing on Baird's part. Plus the editing of this film isn't all that good either.

I agree that Baird is not a very good director. I kept thinking this during the film. The whole thing just felt off. Very bad direction and terrible editing. Strange since Barid was an editor before he was a director.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=257259

Except that the bread and butter of people buying Star Trek on home video are going to DEMAND the widescreen version.

So, probably just bad director.

That's seems fair. Even though the Enterprise crew was at battle stations, pulling phaser rifles out the walls, only six crewmen went to encounter the Remens, and two of them came from the bridge.

The more I think about Nemesis, the more problems pop up. Considering the Wrath of Kahn angle, whereas Kirk takes the battle to a particular part of space that hinders both ships, but it makes the battle more even. Picard takes his ship to a part of space that hinders the Enterprise and no one brings up this factor beforehand, allowing the enemy its opportunity.

Ah, well. After all, it is a cinematic movie and not a military training film (unless it's used as an example of what not to do).

I don't think that Trek needs to be put to rest, but Rick Berman does.

Berman only allows more of the same old same old formula. It's time for someone else to run the Trek franchise - it's just been going a little further downhill each year for the last 7 or 8 years (with the exception of the last 5 years of DS9, which had some great episodes). Voyager was horrible more often than it was good, and Enterprise just seems like a total rehash with slightly more primitive technology.

Give the next Trek movie (if there is a next Trek movie) over to Nicholas Meyer. He'll fix this thing.

To keep Berman on would just be the height of stupidity.

I've never seen a Stra Trek movie ever, nor do I think I've watched a complete episode of any series. My knowledge of the series is pretty much "common" knowledge, stuff you would hear on the street, etc..

That being said, I was taken to this movie this weekend, and I didn't think it "sucked".. I didn't think it was great either, and seeing this movie hasn't gotten me wanting to see more Trek.

I did fidn the villan, Shinzon, to be very, very cool. He really made what I liked about this movie. There was a certain "aire" about him that just reeked of cool.

I agree that the villain was kind of cool, but I just didn't buy his motivation for wanting to destroy Earth. Why? Makes no sense. I can see him wanting to destroy Romulus, but Earth? This lack of real motivation was a huge weakness for me.

I find it vaguely depressing that almost no-one here sees what a 5th-photocopy-of-a-photocopy, watered-down and inferior retread of "Wrath of Khan" this film is. Right down to the ridiculously absurd



and the



The reason why this piece of crap is arguably even worse than the worst of the films is because it is pretentious as hell. It aspires to be one of the good or great Star Trek films and fails miserably.

Star Trek is dead as far as I'm concerned; I pretty much wrote it off for years, and this flick is the proof.

Paramount simply does not care. As long as Star Trek provides them with revenue they could have Michael Jackson run it. They have zero idea or feeling of quality when it comes to their cash cow.

The only way to get a regime change is for the fans to tune out of the TV series, stop buying merchandise and tank the films.

They're already doing one of those three, at least.

I saw it yesterday and I am in no way a Star Trek fan. I hate the original Star Trek, I have only seen minimal episodes of TNG, I have never seen DS9 or Voyager, and the only other movie I have seen was Generations.

In any case, I really enjoyed Nemesis. It kept my attention the whole time and I didn't get bored. Lots of action and the psychic chick was still pretty hot. The music seemed to lack a bit, I would have liked to hear more of the TNG tv theme (isn't it a theme from another ST movie)? In anycase, I love the theme.

I agree they need to get rid of Berman. They also need to get rid of Braga.

But of course, they won't. They will keep beating this dead horse until it's too late to bring it back to anything interesting.

I saw the movie over the weekend, and finally have time to comment on it now.

Overall, I did enjoy the movie, despite the plotholes, continuity errors, and moments that make you go Yeah, it does try too hard to be Wrath of Khan, but as I said, I did enjoy it.

Now to move onto the problems. I do think that I would have enjoyed the movie more if I weren't a Star Trek fan. The more I thought about it, the more things bugged me. First of all, there was that mini-transporter thing. Why do they even have a transporter room anyway if they can just beam around anywhere with a device the size of a quarter? And I assumed it had it's own transporter since Geordi said that the transporters were down. Then there was the Picard being always bald, but hey, maybe that picture was taken during a short phase he went through. The one thing that bothered me quite a bit was Worf. I mean, didn't he become some sort of ambassador at the end of DS9? Why was he on the Enterprise again? And for that matter, why was he also on the Ent-E in Insurrection (since they kind of implied that the Dominion War was over in that movie). As for what I guess is the big spoiler: On to that Admiral Janeway thing, it didn't bother me that much. So what if they created an entirely new character who was an admiral for the movie? She wasn't in any of the three ST series, so I assume she must be a completely new character.

Also, for those of you who were wondering about how many androids Dr. Soong created, didn't his wife tell Data they he had created more than a few prototypes before Data and Lore in that season 7(?) episode? He called them "his children" IIRC (been a while since I've seen any TNG).

If this is the case, you need to rent Wrath of Khan. It truly kicks a$$ as both a Trek film and an action/adventure movie.

She was in the series Voyager as Captain of the ship. Being as I stopped watching that show early on because it sucked so bad to me, I don't know what she did at the end of the series, but a number of friends I know that stuck it out until the end of the show were VERY disappointed with the end of the show. Can anyone enlighten us as to what she did do?