These dern American studios. Sickening aren't they? Japanese studios. That's where it's at.

As an aside: American cars. Now that is innovation. I won't drive anything less.

Hey let's keep it clean you guys. It's a nice discussion going on here.

Although on a side note, I rented Stir of Echoes and started watching it tonight--past 11pm PDT--and I had to turn it off. I was watching by myself in the living room with all the lights turned off and I got to the part where

I saw this last night. Pretty good flick.

Of course there were about 5 cell phones that went off, 1 kid screaming BOO at the top of his lungs, several loud conversations, and 2 laser pointers. All that for a 6.50 matinee price! No wonder I haven't been to a movie in 6 months.

It does. I think I figured it out pretty well.

I'll take a shot at a few of these.

Heh, you actually replied in two separate posts? Now that's anger!

very predictable flick. saw it tonight. knew there was no actual ring from the start of the movie, knew the noah was going to get at the end. long and not even half as good as the exorcist. i thought brian cox would be in it more, he was the only bright spot. the best part was when the horse went off the boat.

Ok.. I saw the movie again today. Still have some questions.

1.) The girl at the beginning that died, why was she joking about it to her friend? Did she not see visions and her nose bleeding like Rachel?
2.) What was all that stuff about the horses keeping her awake? I thought she couldn't sleep anyways.

Seen it, and enjoyed it very much.

But I have to admit, I did like the Japanese movie much better when I seen that one in a theatre... then again, I went into that movie 'blind' and knew nothing about it last year.

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yeah, i thought she didn't sleep either. well, the point of the movie was camara was evil.

All this talk has driven me to seek out the original Ring on R2 DVD. Can't wait for it to arrive!

Tell me about it....I ordered the Ring Cycle on DVD (Ring, Ring 2, Ring 0) and watched it all last weekend. Ring 2 had a few really creepy parts but I didn't care for Ring 0 that much.

She was probably joking about it with her friend because she didn't want the friend to know how freaked she was. People do tend to joke around to let the tension loose. Weak explanation? Maybe, but that's what I've surmised.

While they obviously don't allude to her nose bleeding, they most certainly do show that she was suffering trauma from watching the video. Remember her diary/scrap book? Also, IIRC, they even make mention of a quote from her, "why can't I stop thinking about... blah blah blah?" (apologies for lack of verbatim!).

I can only assume that perhaps the horses may have been a catalyst in someway for the girl descending into a monster of sorts.

Another thought is that the father put her in the stables to keep her away from the house - and the horses only compounded her madness. And of course, the horses paid the price for their proximity.

Also, the horses represented things that both parents loved dearly. It was their very livelihood. What better way to revenge upon those who cannot bear loving you then destroying their dreams?

Of course, all speculation, but it just goes to show that many of the perceived "holes" could easily be explained - but the filmmakers chose not to delve into exact details.

Sometimes less is more!

-matt

I don't mind accepting less, per se. I actually like the idea of Samara just being born evil. It doesn't quite make sense that everything in the general vicinity went haywire...fish were dying, crops weren't growing, the horses of course, driven into the sea - but daddy is spared because of 'love' she's not supposed to have love, wants to hurt things. Even her mother, we don't really know what she did to piss her off, but it doesn't really matter. It's the fact that her father comes away with no insanity. He wasn't gone all the time and he states that she still gives him messages in the present. Yet, even the townspeople were inflicted by her, so it doesn't gel and becomes a plot filler.

I wasn't really convinced because Samara didn't really creep me out all that much, there was only one moment for me, otherwise I did not find her all too spooky. In fact, Aiden bothered me more, lol.

at CharlesC post a few up.

now a few q's

the making of the video above the well makes sense, but how did Becca and Samara's father now about it?

how does Samara kill everyone at the same time. Does she multiply, or is she just talented like that?

how does Samara actually kill them? I know they look like they've been in a well for a few weeks.


Just wondering if these things are unkown, or if I missed something.

I'll try to take a shot at this:

I don't think the dad knew about "The Tape". I think the only tape he knew about was the one he stole from the hospital. The therapy sessions tape. As for Becca, I'm pretty sure she saw how Samarra killed the niece. And she was told of the tape's existence just a few mins before too. That's why she tells Rachel later on, "she'll show you". She being Samarra.

How does she kill everyone? I think pretty much how she killed Noah. Wouldn't you be freaked out if you saw THAT coming out of the TV and going after you? I'm guessing the 2 other friends who died in the car accident were trying to run away from her and got freaked somewhere on the road while the boyfriend basically ran out of room where he was, hence the jump out of the window/rooftop.

How she kills them? I'm guessing by fright and then when she touches you, yeah, you end up like you just spent a week in a deep well.

Okay, that's cool. Most of it makes sense except like when Becca was joking about it at the very beginning of the movie. Maybe she got a vision just for the heck of it

OK, I made a different post but didn't realize everyone was posting here, since the original poster here said no spoilers But anyway...

I thought this was a great movie. I never saw the jappanese versions, and don't plan to since I hate dubbed actors and/or reading subtitles for 2 hours

I didn't think this movie was too scarey when while we were watching it. Maybe it's cuz I had the whole gang there to keep me sane. It didn't really start hitting me till last night when I was trying to go to sleep, it was all dark and I couldn't stop thinking about parts of the movie and I was getting all creeped out, so I ended up having to get my dog to come in and protect me

I really don't think this movie should have been PG-13. R would have been more sufficient, and I'm usually the last one to say something like that... I'm glad it wasn't a gore flick, the fear came from just the disturbing things in the movie and it just built up and built up.

I really hope that Hollywood doesn't wreck it with lame sequels, but I know that they will let me down as usual. Samara is gonna be the next Freddy or Chuckie, mark my words!

The father DID know about the tape...Why then would he ask Rachel if she had copied it.

I thought it was pretty good--4 out of 5 stars. I don't think it'll stick (more the scary-while-watching type movie than nightmare-giving type) but it did creep me out in the theater.

tasha

OK, I just saw the movie with my girlfriend, for the second time. Its still a creepy freakin movie.

I still have one major question:

At the end of the movie when Rachel talks to Aiden. Aiden says: " You don't understand SHE DOESN"T SLEEP."

AIden says this like it explains everything. What is it supposed to mean? I understand that she doesn't sleep, but why does he say it like it is the most important fact in the move?

Also, he made it sound like helping her was worse than leaving her there. How is it worse, you still die after seven days.

Anyone have any ideas?

Aidan is telling Rachel that she missed something. After Aidan says this Rachel thinks of the time lapse tape of how Samara never slept at the psychiatric hospital and the clip of her psychiatric session that now clearly means Samara ENJOYS hurting others and will not stop. This means Samara was never an innocent victim but was always very evil, maybe even a demon or worse.

This would also imply that Samara's parents checked her out of the psychiatric hospital and the mother then killed Samara in an attempt to stop her.

I'm thinking that Samara might be even more powerful freed from the well. Scary considering she could already whack people from beyond the grave with a VHS tape.

That's just the way I see it though and given the way this film leaves these questions open to speculation I'm sure there are other valid opinions out there.

I've been thinking about it and I'm still hung up on Aiden's statement: "You don't understand SHE NEVER SLEEPS."

I understand that she never sleeps, it was brought up a couple of times in the movie. I am just wondering why it was brought up in THAT contex. That particular conversation was the true climax of the movie. That statement, said at that time, with that amount of stress makes me think I am simply missing something.

Think typical horror film:

When you "free the spirit" of some meddlesome supernatural entity (telling their story, burying them on sacred ground, whatever), that spirit is "at peace" or "at rest" and stops screwing with people. It's the classic horror formula.

Rachel tells Aiden that she freed her spirit and everything's going to be OK now. Aiden's response is just to let her know that her evil isn't going to rest. It's not going to stop simply because "her spirit is at rest" or some silliness. It doesn't have to do with slumber, but the fact that the evil will continue on.

The reason he is so forceful about this is that everything's not alright like Rachel believes. He and Noah are still on her list.

das

Thank you, that makes sense. Spirit at rest, the big sleep, etc. OK, now I actually get it.

How much has "The Ring" effected me since I saw it opening night?

Well, I'm still creeped out when I'm at home in the dark....and I still get freaked when I keep coming back to read this thread.