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Old 10-14-01 | 01:37 AM
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Who the hell ever said that people go to a David Lynch film expecting it to be good??

Nobody did.

That's because we go because we don't know what to expect and because there's always reason for discussion.
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Originally posted by Suprmallet:
And, Gladiator Crowe, I think your name tells us why you didn't like this movie.

OUCH! And I think we just found out why you're called Suprmallet!

By the way, Gladiator Crowe, when so many people are singing MULHOLLAND DRIVE's praises, and you're (relatively) the only one denouncing it, isn't it just possible that the masses aren't being conned so much as you're just not the right state of aesthetic mind to appreciate what Lynch does so well? I mean, you know what they say about people who believe everybody else has it wrong, and they're the only ones aware of the truth...
Blue Velvet is in my top 5, and I am a big fan of Lost Highway and Elephant Man as well as a supporter of Dune and Straight Story. I am not anti-Lynch. This movie is just horrible. You people are being conned, and you couldn't ever convince me otherwise. I can go through and rip this movie apart scene by scene and even shot by shot.
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Again, just to clarify--we're all nuts (including virtually every respectable critic across the land), but you've got it all figured out...is that the long and the short of it?
Old 10-14-01 | 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Gladiator Crowe


Blue Velvet is in my top 5, and I am a big fan of Lost Highway and Elephant Man as well as a supporter of Dune and Straight Story. I am not anti-Lynch. This movie is just horrible. You people are being conned, and you couldn't ever convince me otherwise. I can go through and rip this movie apart scene by scene and even shot by shot.
I have to say, if I'm being conned, then I sure wish some more major directors would con me in a similar fashion! I don't see why you're the final word on what this movie means (especially when you say it's just utter nonsense). Regardless, I hope to be conned by this film several more times before it leaves the theater. (If you wanted a movie that has weirdness just for the sake of being weird, and a lot of utter nonsense, I'd go with Lost Highway. While it does have some meaning, I'm positive that some of it is in there just because Lynch thought it would be sufficiently weird.)
Old 10-15-01 | 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Gladiator Crowe
Except there's like an hour and a half's worth of material that is totally unrelated and there for weirdness's sake.
I think that opinion cuts to the heart of what (most of) the rest of us disagree with you about. These seemingly unrelated scenes all either touch on characters that play an important role in Naomi Watts' journey, or tell us something about the person who's dreaming them, (or, perhaps?, hint at some Black Lodge-style forces at work?). I admit there's a few elements I haven't figured out yet, but I trust Lynch. I trust that everything IS related and the viewer just has to figure out how. This kind of puzzle is part of what I love about Lost Highway, too, so I'm a little surprised that you really like one film but not the other.
Old 10-15-01 | 10:16 AM
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I am not going to get to see this film until Friday, Oct 19th, because I just don't have the time this week.......
but these Ebert reviews sure make me excited...
This is the first positive review Ebert has written for a Lynch film (other than for The Straight Story) let alone give it 4 stars.

His one minute review:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/minmovie/movie0.html
Mulholland Drive**** (R, 146 minutes). At last, a David Lynch nightmare movie that works. Laura Elena Harring and Naomi Watts play archetypal Hollywood types, a sexy brunette and a bubbly blonde, who meet by chance and team up to search for a missing identity. Their story is intercut with backstage murder threats, auditions, Nancy Drew-style bravery, rotting corpses, dwarfish masterminds, and smoldering sex scenes. Like real dreams, it does not explain, does not complete its sequences, lingers over what it finds fascinating, dismisses unpromising plotlines. A movie to surrender yourself to. If you require logic and closure, see something else.


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http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert...ws-mul12f.html
MULHOLLAND DRIVE / **** (R)

October 12, 2001

Betty: Naomi Watts
Rita: Laura Elena Harring
Adam Kesher: Justin Theroux
Coco Lenoix: Ann Miller
Vincenzo Castiglioni: Dan Hedaya
Universal Pictures presents a film written and directed by David Lynch. Running time: 146 minutes. Rated R (for violence, language. nudity and sexuality).

BY ROGER EBERT

David Lynch has been working toward "Mulholland Drive" all of his career, and now that he's arrived there I forgive him "Wild at Heart" and even "Lost Highway." At last his experiment doesn't shatter the test tubes. The movie is a surrealist dreamscape in the form of a Hollywood film noir, and the less sense it makes, the more we can't stop watching it.

It tells the story of . . . well, there's no way to finish that sentence. There are two characters named Betty and Rita who the movie follows through mysterious plot loops, but by the end of the film we aren't even sure they're different characters, and Rita (an amnesiac who lifted the name from a "Gilda" poster) wonders if she's really Diane Selwyn, a name from a waitress' name tag.

Betty (Naomi Watts) is a perky blond, Sandra Dee crossed with a Hitchcock heroine, who has arrived in town to stay in her absent Aunt Ruth's apartment and audition for the movies. Rita (Laura Elena Harring) is a voluptuous brunet who is about to be murdered when her limousine is front-ended by drag racers. She crawls out of the wreckage on Mulholland Drive, stumbles down the hill, and is taking a shower in the aunt's apartment when Betty arrives.

Rita doesn't remember anything, even her name. Betty decides to help her. As they try to piece her life back together, the movie introduces other characters. A movie director (Justin Theroux) is told to cast an actress in his movie or be murdered; a dwarf in a wheelchair (Michael J. Anderson) gives instructions by cell phone; two detectives turn up, speak standard TV cop show dialogue, and disappear; a landlady (Ann Miller--yes, Ann Miller) wonders who the other girl is in Aunt Ruth's apartment; Betty auditions; the two girls climb in through a bedroom window, Nancy Drew style; a rotting corpse materializes, and Betty and Rita have two lesbian love scenes so sexy you'd swear this was a 1970s movie, made when movie audiences liked sex. One of the scenes also contains the funniest example of pure logic in the history of sex scenes.

Having told you all of that, I've basically explained nothing. The movie is hypnotic; we're drawn along as if one thing leads to another--but nothing leads anywhere, and that's even before the characters start to fracture and recombine like flesh caught in a kaleidoscope. "Mulholland Drive" isn't like "Memento," where if you watch it closely enough, you can hope to explain the mystery. There is no explanation. There may not even be a mystery.

There have been countless dream sequences in the movies, almost all of them conceived with Freudian literalism to show the characters having nightmares about the plot. "Mulholland Drive" is all dream. There is nothing that is intended to be a waking moment. Like real dreams, it does not explain, does not complete its sequences, lingers over what it finds fascinating, dismisses unpromising plotlines. If you want an explanation for the last half hour of the film, think of it as the dreamer rising slowly to consciousness, as threads from the dream fight for space with recent memories from real life, and with fragments of other dreams--old ones and those still in development.

This works because Lynch is absolutely uncompromising. He takes what was frustrating in some of his earlier films, and instead of backing away from it, he charges right through. "Mulholland Drive" is said to have been assembled from scenes that he shot for a 1999 ABC television pilot, but no network would air (or understand) this material, and Lynch knew it. He takes his financing where he can find it and directs as fancy dictates. This movie doesn't feel incomplete because it could never be complete--closure is not a goal.

Laura Elena Harring and Naomi Watts take the risk of embodying Hollywood archetypes, and get away with it because they are archetypes. Not many actresses would be bold enough to name themselves after Rita Hayworth, but Harring does, because she can. Slinky and voluptuous in clinging gowns, all she has to do is stand there and she's the first good argument in 55 years for a "Gilda" remake. Naomi Watts is bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, a plucky girl detective. Like a dream, the movie shifts easily between tones; there's an audition where a girl singer performs "Sixteen Reasons" and "I Told Every Little Star," and the movie isn't satirizing "American Bandstand," it's channeling it.

This is a movie to surrender yourself to. If you require logic, see something else. "Mulholland Drive" works directly on the emotions, like music. Individual scenes play well by themselves, as they do in dreams, but they don't connect in a way that makes sense--again, like dreams. The way you know the movie is over is that it ends. And then you tell a friend, "I saw the weirdest movie last night." Just like you tell them you had the weirdest dream.
Old 10-15-01 | 10:31 AM
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If you are from Chicago then you are probably familiar with the other great critic next to Ebert, Michael Wilmington who is with the Tribune. He also gave it four stars. I can't remember the last time the windy city's great duo of cinema criteque has accomplished that feat?
Old 10-15-01 | 11:04 AM
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I rushed to see this on Friday not knowing what to expect and not really caring. I simply wanted to see it prior to hearing and reading other people's points of view. Being a fan of Lynch for years now, I know to leave logic at the door when walking into a film. I was absolutely mesmerized. There are very few directors capable of creating a mood like Lynch. He can shift gears so easily throughout the film. One minute, I was intrigued by the mystery, the next, terrified by uncertainty. After reading the comments in this thread, I think the film works much better using the 'dream' analogy. Literal translation simply doesn't work for most of the film. There are too many loose ends and unexplained events for it fo follow a traditional style...but I loved it nonetheless. I admire Lynch for making such an uncompromising film. Can't wait for this to surface on DVD.
Old 10-16-01 | 03:50 PM
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When will this show in more areas?
Old 10-16-01 | 04:18 PM
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When will this show in more areas?
In the U.S. it will open in more areas on Friday, October 19. However, I doubt it will ever be more than a few hundred venues total. It's too 'specialized'
Old 10-16-01 | 09:28 PM
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i just saw this today and really liked it. my only dissapointment is that it wasn't released as a tv series as intended. there are more than a few characters introduced and then quickly whisked away. you can feel the foundation for a creepy tv series being built. this totally could have been another twin peaks.
Old 10-17-01 | 01:04 PM
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Did anyone else see the David Lynch online chat at MSN live? I was there, and even got a question asked. A great chat, albeit way too short. Still, if anyone is interested, here is the link: http://chat.msn.com/davidlynch.msnw
Old 10-17-01 | 02:56 PM
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i caught Mullholland Drive the other night and was fairly pleased. it was very funny, with the first 2/3 of the film containing some hilariously terrible dialogue and delivery (which was done on purpose as opposed to unknowingly funny bad films, like say, The Glass House). at its heart, it was a Hollywood-will-suck-you-dry sort of story, but humor and general presentation made it quite worthwhile.

more than anything, i was pleased that the credits contained a dedication to my late friend, Jennifer Syme.

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Old 10-18-01 | 08:30 PM
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Wow, Ebert finally appreicates Lynch!! Commit the man to the insane asylum...I still remember his drubbing of Lost Highway...I can't wait to see this, but I doubt it will get into the the local Mega-Plex, but I'm holding out for the nearby 'art-house.' I doubt I can get anyone to drive to Philly to see this....
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I already want the dvd.

It's that good. ****
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If you are from Chicago then you are probably familiar with the other great critic next to Ebert, Michael Wilmington who is with the Tribune. He also gave it four stars. I can't remember the last time the windy city's great duo of cinema criteque has accomplished that feat?
I know they each gave Bringing Out The Dead 4 stars, but there must have been something in between now and then.
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If I was conned, I'm a prize fighting kangaroo.
Old 10-21-01 | 01:20 PM
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I finally saw Mulholland Drive this past Friday. Went straight to the top of my top ten list for this year.
I don't quite like it as much as Lost Highway, but it's still a 4-star film in my book. I think the reason that Mulholland Drive is going over well with the critics is because it is tangible. I walked out of the theater understnading what the film was. After seeing Lost Highway about 10 times, I still cannot formulate an opinion about what that movie is about.....that's probably why I prefer Lost Highway.....

things I really liked about Mulholland Drive:
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I especially liked how things in Diane's (dream name: Betty's) reality were encorporated into her dream, especially the blue key. In reality it was just a regular key painted/colored blue, but in the dream it was more extravagant and oddly shaped. And how she incorporated the cowboy character, who she only saw walk across the room at the party, into her dream as an important character. Or how the hitman's blackbook/planner (that she just saw very very briefly at the dinner) ended up in her dream as a whole storyline. I just thought all the touches of how we incorporate things from our reality into our dreams, but they are out of context and twisted around, was very nicely done. The most obvious structure of the film is that the first 2 hours was Diane's (Betty's) dream. The film begins with a shot in her bedroom, the camera pans down to her ringing phone on her bedstand, and later a shot of the pillow beside her. We see these same images later as she awakens. There is even a period during her awakening when reality and dream are blurred, like when the cowboy whispers into her room that it is time to wake up. She then wakes up and the present begins interweaving with flashbacks of the events that lead to her having her lover (or at least someone she obsessed over....it could be argued she was just crazy and most of her memories were delusions) killed. Using this structure, most of the movie makes sense. Except if you interpret the movie this way, Lynch throws a wrench in the whole works by ending the film with the homeless man having the blue box.....just an added final touch to keep the film from being too easily explained and linear........
One thing that I am a bit confused about is the true nature of the relationship between Diane and Camilla (I think that was her name in reality.....in the dream Camilla of Camille was the name on the photo of the actress that the director was supposed to hire)....were they lovers, or was Diane a little crazy? If they were really lovers and that final love scene between them was real, then was Camilla really that cruel? She had a limo pick Diane up and erotically lead her through a path to the party which was really just a big blow off where Camilla apparently announced her engagement to the director guy. If that was Diane's reality, it is really interesting how that was translated in her dream as the limo driver pulling a gun on her followed by a car accident.......
One more thing.....
could anyone tell what the investigators (in the dream) found at the accident site and had bagged as evidence...it was a long blue object and I could not tell what it possibly could have been.....possibly not meant to.....I was just curious if anyone had an idea?
Old 10-21-01 | 02:40 PM
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As best as I can tell, the detectives bag a comb, which just alerts them that a woman was in the limo, and so they assume someone else was involved and is now missing.
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As best as I can tell, the detectives bag a comb, which just alerts them that a woman was in the limo, and so they assume someone else was involved and is now missing.
If my memory serves me right,
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I thought it was a string of pearls because the two detectives check to see if any of the teenage kids in the covertible were wearing pearl earrings. This means they must have found pearls in the back seat, and it tipped them off that another person was in the car. Or it may have been the Hitman's gun?
Also, wasn't Robert Forster's partner in Mulholland Drive the same person who played the man in the yellow coat in Blue Velvet?

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Originally posted by Tony Block

Also, wasn't Robert Forster's partner in Mulholland Drive the same person who played the man in the yellow coat in Blue Velvet?

cheers, Tony Block
The Yellow Man in Blue Velvet was played by Fred Pickler who, according to IMDb, has never been in anything else. I recognized Forster's partner as Brent Briscoe, from A Simple Plan and Sling Blade. I imagine that Briscoe and Forster would have had recurring roles in the proposed television series, since their roles in the film were so small for actors listed in the opening credits.
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If I was conned, I'm a prize fighting kangaroo.

Man, I forgot about the prize fighting kangaroo line...that was hilarious.

This movie was amazing. David Lynch is his generation's Kubrick. Can the man make a bad movie? Not in my opinion (yes, I love Dune). Yet another film that people will be studying and analyzing for years. It's sad, but inevitable, that so many moviegoers either lack the capacity or willingness to deal with something other than Bruckheimer-style crap. C'est la vie. If you have the ability to utilize your higher-brain functions and you haven't yet, go see this flick.
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Just for the record, I've now seen MULHOLLAND DRIVE and, though I still prefer TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME and LOST HIGHWAY, it was top-notch Lynch all the way. If this is being conned, then may I never see the light...
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Single POVs and spoliers abound, but there is an excellent analysis in very big detail here:

http://salon.com/ent/movies/feature/...sis/index.html

I agree with most of it.
Old 10-23-01 | 11:47 AM
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Just saw it last night, it is only the 2nd Lynch film I have seen, the other being wild at heart.

And I enjoyed it, it wasn't super, but the first couple of hours were fun and entertaining, lots of lingering shots, and nice colours.

I did think it was a bit Nancy Drew in the middle which lends credence to the views expressed above on what the story is, and it does kind of come together, but it is still out in the open.

the last hour was a bit disjointed and all over the place, and I understand that up to that it was the pilot, and then the ending was tacked on.

good show 3/5

adn for rupin the self love scene was a fully clothed scene.


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