Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga (Blu-ray & Ultra HD Blu-ray; 3/31/20)
01-03-20, 09:11 AM
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Yeah, I remember the ads about owning the originals one last time, and while I was young enough looking back its easy to see why people would have thought it was marketing bullshit just to get people to buy. Same way that Disney puts stuff into the vault or titles go out of print before getting a re-release for an anniversary or whatever. Lucas is just the only one stubborn enough that he doesn’t care what the fans want, and then wonders why people dislike him.
I definitely feel like you’re right that the special editions are what started some of the rift in the fanbase. The way I’ve always looked at it is the special editions were largely done to make elements of the prequels work better. So in turn that gave the purists another reason to hate the prequels.
I definitely feel like you’re right that the special editions are what started some of the rift in the fanbase. The way I’ve always looked at it is the special editions were largely done to make elements of the prequels work better. So in turn that gave the purists another reason to hate the prequels.
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01-03-20, 11:41 AM
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I definitely feel like you’re right that the special editions are what started some of the rift in the fanbase. The way I’ve always looked at it is the special editions were largely done to make elements of the prequels work better. So in turn that gave the purists another reason to hate the prequels.
Lucas has admitted that one of the reasons for the SE was to test the VFX for the prequels. Though, his initial plan was only to update ANH, but then I guess Fox also wanted TESB and ROTJ done too, that's why stuff like the CGI Jabba looked so bad, they had to spread their resources over three movies instead of one.
In terms of CGI Jabba and "limited resources," Fox originally gave Lucasfilm $10 million to make an SE of the first film. When Fox decided to expand the SEs to the next two films, Fox gave Lucasfilm another $5 million, so $2.5 million for each film. So Lucasfilm didn't have to stretch the money to do the additional films, although maybe there was an issue with labor and time. However, the Jabba in the 97 SE actually looked very impressive for a CGI character of its day. Keep in mind that it was 1997. In terms of "photorealistic" characters integrated into live action, there had been Dragonheart the year before. That Jabba looks dated now, but at the time it was cutting edge.
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01-03-20, 01:09 PM
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I suppose the Jabba would have been accepted better if we didn't know what he looked like in ROTJ. The model in ANH they first released simply didn't look right, it was the wrong shape. If it had been the right shape, but still at that lower resolution, it would have been a little easier to accept.
The FX in the SEs were all over the place. Stuff like Jabba looked pretty bad, but then you have the expanded windows and shots of the Falcon flying through Cloud City that (almost) look like they were always there.
And we don't need to talk about the Honeycomb monster in Jabba's palace.
We're getting off track here, but I think the point remains the added VFX were never at a point where everybody saw the need for them nor actively wanted them. We wanted the Biggs footage on Tattooine or Han's girlfriend in the cantina. The Wampa attack in ESB or Luke building the lightsaber in ROTJ. As long as George is focused on making things shiny instead of expanding the story, there's going to be disagreement.
The FX in the SEs were all over the place. Stuff like Jabba looked pretty bad, but then you have the expanded windows and shots of the Falcon flying through Cloud City that (almost) look like they were always there.
And we don't need to talk about the Honeycomb monster in Jabba's palace.
We're getting off track here, but I think the point remains the added VFX were never at a point where everybody saw the need for them nor actively wanted them. We wanted the Biggs footage on Tattooine or Han's girlfriend in the cantina. The Wampa attack in ESB or Luke building the lightsaber in ROTJ. As long as George is focused on making things shiny instead of expanding the story, there's going to be disagreement.
01-03-20, 01:28 PM
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I suppose the Jabba would have been accepted better if we didn't know what he looked like in ROTJ. The model in ANH they first released simply didn't look right, it was the wrong shape. If it had been the right shape, but still at that lower resolution, it would have been a little easier to accept.
01-03-20, 02:07 PM
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People looked at the Jabba scene and shook their heads at how awful the CG was.
I don't think I ever really noticed as I couldn't get past how awful the scene was from a storytelling perspective.
The film (saved in editing!) used to be a marvel of economy in terms of it's storytelling. For a story that demanded a ton of exposition, the film wasn't overburdened by it.
It dispensed what was necessary in ways that kept the story seeming to always move forward.
The SE changes generally fell into two categories- pretty, but unnecessary or injurious to the films/sequences previous strengths.
4K, 8K I don't give a shit anymore. SW-the Skywalker saga, at least- has become fading nostalgia subsumed by unappealing external drama.
I'm not kidding when I say Rogue One is the only SW movie I actually enjoy revisiting now.
I don't think I ever really noticed as I couldn't get past how awful the scene was from a storytelling perspective.
The film (saved in editing!) used to be a marvel of economy in terms of it's storytelling. For a story that demanded a ton of exposition, the film wasn't overburdened by it.
It dispensed what was necessary in ways that kept the story seeming to always move forward.
The SE changes generally fell into two categories- pretty, but unnecessary or injurious to the films/sequences previous strengths.
4K, 8K I don't give a shit anymore. SW-the Skywalker saga, at least- has become fading nostalgia subsumed by unappealing external drama.
I'm not kidding when I say Rogue One is the only SW movie I actually enjoy revisiting now.
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01-03-20, 04:58 PM
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However, the Jabba in the 97 SE actually looked very impressive for a CGI character of its day. Keep in mind that it was 1997. In terms of "photorealistic" characters integrated into live action, there had been Dragonheart the year before. That Jabba looks dated now, but at the time it was cutting edge.
01-03-20, 09:51 PM
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01-03-20, 11:44 PM
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The aliens underwater in Alien Resurrection and some of the dinosaurs in Lost World were full CGI renders and look way better than Jabba. With that being said, I'm not upset at how it looks. That additional scene with Jabba is minimal compared to the other stupid shit Lucas fouled up.
01-04-20, 12:58 AM
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The aliens underwater in Alien Resurrection and some of the dinosaurs in Lost World were full CGI renders and look way better than Jabba. With that being said, I'm not upset at how it looks. That additional scene with Jabba is minimal compared to the other stupid shit Lucas fouled up.
Adding pointless shit for the sake of it or changes like Greedo shooting first, R2 magically being behind rocks, or Vader yelling “noooooo” are things that bother me far more. That said I’d still prefer the unaltered films be available.
01-04-20, 09:12 AM
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Those aren't fully CGI characters or creatures though; they were realized with a mix of practical and CGI effects, with only certain shots being CGI. Jabba was all CGI, all the time.
01-04-20, 11:23 AM
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The CGI Jabba looks nothing like his appearance in Return of the Jedi, which is a much better introduction/reveal for the character. The need to paint over footage of a human actor leaves the scale all off and the basic conception of the character completely different than he's portrayed the next time we see him. Not to mention the embarrassing moment when Han is adjusted to "step" on his tail and Jabba makes the silly googly eyes. It's just a terrible scene that never should have been added to the movie.
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01-04-20, 11:46 AM
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Yeah. I remember at the time the special editions came out I was fairly young and thought it was cool seeing Jabba some more. In ways I do have nostalgia for the special editions since that’s how I first saw the films theatrically (I saw them numerous times on tv beforehand though). Some of the changes don’t bother me so much for what they are, but I’d rather have the option to watch the movies as they were originally.
01-09-20, 03:34 PM
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I received the CD's for EPs 1-6 for Christmas, the ones released in the past year or two.
I thought it was odd that the Jedi ST had Lapti Nek and Ewok Celebration on it.
I thought it was odd that the Jedi ST had Lapti Nek and Ewok Celebration on it.
01-09-20, 05:38 PM
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I believe that's because those cds were specifically rereleases of the original albums in their original configurations.
01-11-20, 06:20 AM
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I think they still need a selling point as there just isn't enough 4K people to drive sales for this. The 2004 DVD's sales were driven by the fact that DVD's were such a leap from VHS, that the average SW fan was going to buy it. The 2011 BluRay sales were driven by the OT deleted scenes that were never released, especially those ANH scenes with Luke on Tatooine that thank god did not make the movie (but still fascinating to see after 30+ years). What will drive the 4K set sales in March past the 4k fans? The release of the OOT would be a great selling point to alot of friends I know who will skip it if it's just a 4K release. In saying that, I know that Lucas has pretty much forbid the release so it's a pipedream at this point.
01-11-20, 08:27 AM
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This will sell out, then there will be a ton of then on EBay for even higher prices. Then we can all bitch about that.
01-13-20, 09:18 AM
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I haven't read anything on that. But I can't imagine them printing so many that we'd see a ton of them on store shelves.
01-14-20, 09:53 AM
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https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars...dp/B082WXCSKN/
The Blu-ray and DVD sets are not listed as Limited Edition.
01-16-20, 05:18 AM
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As expensive as it is I would for sure buy it had they included the original version of the first 3 movies. Since that seems like it will not happen either forever or at least a long time I will just pass on this set.
01-16-20, 06:00 AM
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It's NEVER happening. I wish people would get past this. Not meaning you personally, but just everyone in general. File it back there with Song of the South as something we're just never going to see.
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01-16-20, 06:11 AM
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02-13-20, 05:17 PM
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Some additional news about the UHD versions of the films. There's been single releases for the first 6 films announced for Germany.
https://translate.google.com/transla...y/&prev=search
Someone on another forum mentioned that the announced extras sound like the new extras included in the Digital Movie Collection in 2015.
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...oming-april-10
Amazon Germany lists these releases as 3 disc sets to be released April 30, 2020:
https://smile.amazon.de/STAR-WARS-Ep-IV-Hoffnung/dp/B084CQ9J2N/
With these announced releases, The Force Awakens would stand out as the sole Star Wars "Skywalker Saga" movie to not have a standalone UHD Blu-ray release.
https://translate.google.com/transla...y/&prev=search
20th Century Fox (soon to be 20th Century Studios ) has released extensive details on the first six remasters of Star Wars films on 4K Blu-ray. Important details (e.g. on HDR formats) remain unanswered.
The original English sound is upgraded to Dolby Atmos (7.1.4)....One of the most important details about the stored HDR standards is also not answered. HDR10 is secure, but the question is whether there is also a dynamic format HDR10 + or Dolby Vision on board..
Star Wars Episode I: The Dark Menace:
Specials: audio commentary, Doug Chiang on working on the film, behind the scenes, George Lucas talks about the digital revolution, and much more.
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Specials: audio commentary, sounds in space, behind the scenes, the concept design of Attack of the Clones, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Specials: audio commentary, rejected stories of the Star Wars saga, behind the scenes: Leia's hologram and fun on the set, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
Specials: audio comments, a conversation with the makers, behind the scenes: weapons and lightsabers, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Specials: audio commentary, the lost interviews, behind the scenes: matte paintings, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi
Specials: audio comments, the further development of the visual effects, behind the scenes: the sound effects by Ben Burtt, making-of collection, and much more.
The original English sound is upgraded to Dolby Atmos (7.1.4)....One of the most important details about the stored HDR standards is also not answered. HDR10 is secure, but the question is whether there is also a dynamic format HDR10 + or Dolby Vision on board..
Star Wars Episode I: The Dark Menace:
Specials: audio commentary, Doug Chiang on working on the film, behind the scenes, George Lucas talks about the digital revolution, and much more.
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Specials: audio commentary, sounds in space, behind the scenes, the concept design of Attack of the Clones, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Specials: audio commentary, rejected stories of the Star Wars saga, behind the scenes: Leia's hologram and fun on the set, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
Specials: audio comments, a conversation with the makers, behind the scenes: weapons and lightsabers, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Specials: audio commentary, the lost interviews, behind the scenes: matte paintings, making-of collection, and much more.
Star Wars Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi
Specials: audio comments, the further development of the visual effects, behind the scenes: the sound effects by Ben Burtt, making-of collection, and much more.
https://www.starwars.com/news/the-st...oming-april-10
Amazon Germany lists these releases as 3 disc sets to be released April 30, 2020:
https://smile.amazon.de/STAR-WARS-Ep-IV-Hoffnung/dp/B084CQ9J2N/
With these announced releases, The Force Awakens would stand out as the sole Star Wars "Skywalker Saga" movie to not have a standalone UHD Blu-ray release.
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