Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
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Re: Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
FWIW, Twilight Time posted this on their Facebook wall:
Folks, for those of you waiting for the Sony Blu Ray let me just re-affirm something to you folks - Sony had ZERO interest in releasing this film on any other format, including Blu Ray.
They specifically said there was no market for this film, or not one that was big enough for them to warrant a Blu Ray release, and now with the recent remake flopping I wouldn't be expecting them to re-release their own Blu Ray down the road packed with special features to coincide with the box office bomb remake.
They specifically said there was no market for this film, or not one that was big enough for them to warrant a Blu Ray release, and now with the recent remake flopping I wouldn't be expecting them to re-release their own Blu Ray down the road packed with special features to coincide with the box office bomb remake.
I wouldn't say "no, there'll never be another Blu-ray release of Fright Night!", but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for one. With as many catalog titles are being licensed out these days, I really don't think the bigger studios care all that much about catalog titles on Blu-ray. It kind of begins and ends with Warner anymore. Your best bet, if you're unhappy with this price point (which is understandable) would be to wait for a release in the UK or whatever.
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Although tempted I am holding out for now. Here's my rational. It makes little sense for a studio to spend the resources on a quality Blu-ray restoration but limit sales to 3,000. Either the transfer might be inferior or the studio has a plan for a larger scale release to recoup restoration funds. Maybe I am over emphasizing the cost of film enhancement/restoration.
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Re: Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
I think you'd do well to read http://www.kentaiblog.com/2011/09/ev...d-edition.html
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If you're an operation with just a couple of people, if you're not paying much for the license, if a lot of the burden of work is placed on someone else, if you have a release every month or whatever, and especially if it's not the only thing your business does, you make kind of a lot of money. Also by selling directly to consumers, they get to keep all of the cash instead of it being siphoned away by middlemen and retailers, their marketing costs are pretty much non-existent, plus there's a strong likelihood that everything they manufacture will be sold. I suspect that we'll see a lot more of this sort of thing in the future.
I think you'd do well to read http://www.kentaiblog.com/2011/09/ev...d-edition.html
I think you'd do well to read http://www.kentaiblog.com/2011/09/ev...d-edition.html
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I wonder if the boss is from Shout Factory and the BD was Rock n Roll High School?
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I think you'd do well to read http://www.kentaiblog.com/2011/09/ev...d-edition.html
I wish there were more able to do that rather than seeing the format break into two groups of mass released titles and deliberately exclusive options at prices high enough that is going to limit their market to fans for only their select favorites and those with substantial disposable income.
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Regarding that article- as I've said before, companies might just have to be more patient in seeing their stuff sell large numbers. I'd like to know what that title in question was which sold less than it should have. Blu-Ray's been out a little over 5 years now, and I've only been able to enjoy it for close to 2. Like DVD, there's been some titles I had to get right away, but there's plenty of others that I haven't yet gotten but plan to eventually- exactly WHEN I can't say, but as long as they stay in print I'll buy them at some point. I do try to support the smaller releases whenever I can; even though I've worked in retail I still don't know how studios count their sales and whether I'm doing any good in "supporting" something by buying it when I do. Funny that "BMX Bandits" was mentioned there, I got that from Amazon just because I needed one more thing to get free shipping and it was cheap enough, though I still haven't watched it but I did want to show my support for that kind of stuff. One of the first Blu-Rays I bought was "Screwballs", also from Severin. That movie might not have been good enough to upgrade from regular DVD, but since it had never been released on disc before I bought the Blu-Ray because it was available.
As for Fright Night, I don't know why that wouldn't sell any worse than other stuff that's been put out through traditional retail, like "Armed and Dangerous" or "Short Circuit 2".
As for Fright Night, I don't know why that wouldn't sell any worse than other stuff that's been put out through traditional retail, like "Armed and Dangerous" or "Short Circuit 2".
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Re: Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
Another thing Armed and Dangerous and Short Circuit 2 have in common: Sony owns both films and had zero interest in releasing them on Blu-ray either, letting Image Entertainment do the work while they sat back and collected a licensing fee.
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But those are available in stores at a low price, and presumably aren't as limited.
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I would think there's a big difference between Lionsgate and Twilight Time: one's a much bigger fish in the home video pond. And, I certainly understand TT's strategy, they're hitting a nitch market with a limited run campaign. Does the higher price suck? Sure. But, I'll pay this over not having it or it only being offered as an MOD.
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Re: Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
Twilight Time makes money selling a limited quantity of a small number of things, targeted towards a more specific audience and, Fright Night aside, seeming to skew more towards the '60s. They need more substantial margins for it to work, and it helps that they're selling directly to their end customers. They're selling fewer copies, I'd imagine, but they're also likely selling close to every copy they manufacture, unlike the larger shops.
Even if a company like Lionsgate or Image were handling these same movies, they'd have a hell of a time actually getting them in stores. Fright Night would be the lone exception of their BDs so far.
Look, I'd obviously rather spend $12 instead of $40. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying I don't know how viable 'the old way of doing business' will be going forward, especially for titles that are a niche-of-a-niche-of-a-niche. Once things shake out, I don't think the standard price point will be this high (I sure hope not, anyway!), but I think you'll see this same general approach adopted more widely.
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...but that's also a completely different business model. Lionsgate makes money by selling a metric ton of a lot of things, kind of carpetbombing with somewhat recognizable movies, heavily focusing on the '80s, '90s, and on. Thin margins are okay because of the scale -- they're shoveling these things out there -- and there sure are a lot of hands are in that pot.
Twilight Time makes money selling a limited quantity of a small number of things, targeted towards a more specific audience and, Fright Night aside, seeming to skew more towards the '60s. They need more substantial margins for it to work, and it helps that they're selling directly to their end customers. They're selling fewer copies, I'd imagine, but they're also likely selling close to every copy they manufacture, unlike the larger shops.
Even if a company like Lionsgate or Image were handling these same movies, they'd have a hell of a time actually getting them in stores. Fright Night would be the lone exception of their BDs so far.
Look, I'd obviously rather spend $12 instead of $40. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying I don't know how viable 'the old way of doing business' will be going forward, especially for titles that are a niche-of-a-niche-of-a-niche. Once things shake out, I don't think the standard price point will be this high (I sure hope not, anyway!), but I think you'll see this same general approach adopted more widely.
Twilight Time makes money selling a limited quantity of a small number of things, targeted towards a more specific audience and, Fright Night aside, seeming to skew more towards the '60s. They need more substantial margins for it to work, and it helps that they're selling directly to their end customers. They're selling fewer copies, I'd imagine, but they're also likely selling close to every copy they manufacture, unlike the larger shops.
Even if a company like Lionsgate or Image were handling these same movies, they'd have a hell of a time actually getting them in stores. Fright Night would be the lone exception of their BDs so far.
Look, I'd obviously rather spend $12 instead of $40. Who wouldn't? I'm just saying I don't know how viable 'the old way of doing business' will be going forward, especially for titles that are a niche-of-a-niche-of-a-niche. Once things shake out, I don't think the standard price point will be this high (I sure hope not, anyway!), but I think you'll see this same general approach adopted more widely.
All the same, I'll pay the higher price for key films that I love like this one. I certainly wouldn't do it for all films.
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Re: Fright Night (1985): Twilight Time exclusive - 12/13/11
About the niche thing, it's not so much that I don't think that it couldn't work...I think it's a combination of marketing, the way people buy these movies, larger studios not finding them worth the hassle, retailers not being interested in stocking them, that pervasive mindset of "oh, I already have that on DVD" or "it's an old movie, so it's not going to look good in HD"...
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About the niche thing, it's not so much that I don't think that it couldn't work...I think it's a combination of marketing, the way people buy these movies, larger studios not finding them worth the hassle, retailers not being interested in stocking them, that pervasive mindset of "oh, I already have that on DVD" or "it's an old movie, so it's not going to look good in HD"...
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The new business model should be put a slipcover on it, then there are tons of guaranteed purchases from the blu-ray.com members!
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Still, there are a lot of folks that want their slipcovers and will pay for them. I can understand that since I like pretty packaging too, but I weaned myself off of that by storing my discs in slimline jewel cases. It's been rather nice too, now I don't worry about getting those cheaper (and cheap looking) multiple sets stuffed with individual DVD/blu-rays but lack of nice individual packaging. Everything gets its own case.
Still, slipcovers do add an element of coolness to the packaging. I like how the new Moroder Metropolis looks for example. All the same, at least with most of my DVDs, I toss them out.
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