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Josh-da-man 09-02-11 06:57 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10909559)
So people shouldn't like the same things they liked when they were kids because kids are stupid?

That might actually carry some weight if it didn't come from Entertainment Weekly, which treats shit like Jersey Shore, Bachelor Pad, and Project Runway like they're must-see cultural events.

MBoyd 09-02-11 06:59 AM

re: Star Wars
 
the whole "boycott" made Deadline Hollywood.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/hard...ge-2/#comments

TGM 09-02-11 07:22 AM

re: Star Wars
 
OK, this comment from youtube made me laugh...

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YmW3JsRXBG8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Jones: I don't want to do this.
Lucas: I can't change your mind?
Jones: No!
Lucas: That's great, we got it. Thanks!
Jones: ...Nooooo!

Schloob1 09-02-11 08:06 AM

re: Star Wars
 
I've gone ahead and put these in my rental queue with Blockbuster, I definitely want to see/hear the upgrade to Blu but will wait for a better price hopefully during the holidays or later. Not going to pay more than $45 for this set, that's for sure. Because I'm at least going to assume the PT has not been made any worse like the OT has with the move to Blu and I definitely want the extras as well that comes with the set.

Xander 09-02-11 08:15 AM

re: Star Wars
 
I'm still getting these because I need to own Star Wars on Blu-ray, warts and all. I just wish Lucas would stop ADDING warts to these films. :(

TGM 09-02-11 08:22 AM

re: Star Wars
 
I have no doubt, that some day, perhaps upon Lucas' death, that the OT will be polished up (but otherwise left unchanged), and released to the public in whatever form is most technically advanced for the time. It would be fairly easy to do, and will be another blatant cash grab.

mcnabb 09-02-11 08:29 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Xander (Post 10909871)
I'm still getting these because I need to own Star Wars on Blu-ray, warts and all. I just wish Lucas would stop ADDING warts to these films. :(

Well, if you keep buying it then he is going to keep changing it ;) I used to buy every release, but Lucas lost me as a fan with the shitty 2006 Non-Anamorphic DVD's. I understand its a catch 22 as I used to feel the same way, but he will never stop tinkering until one of these releases don't sell well.

Damed 09-02-11 09:21 AM

re: Star Wars
 
Simon Pegg pretty much sums it up.

http://twitter.com/#!/simonpegg/stat...64619736612864

Solid Snake 09-02-11 09:44 AM

re: Star Wars
 
Yeah, saw that. I'd still want to see Pegg and Frost reenact Star Wars.

wishbone 09-02-11 09:50 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Damed (Post 10909928)

http://i56.tinypic.com/2r4k8sw.jpg

The Force is strong with this one. :up:

Ignohippo 09-02-11 10:00 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Xander (Post 10909871)
I'm still getting these because I need to own Star Wars on Blu-ray, warts and all. I just wish Lucas would stop ADDING warts to these films. :(

Perfectly put.

toddly6666 09-02-11 11:06 AM

re: Star Wars
 
http://i51.tinypic.com/6r6ofl.jpg

Mabuse 09-02-11 11:07 AM

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The EW article is beyond awful. That guy is right, he does need to put all the SW nerd, EU stuff behind him. This isn't about SW, it's about film preservation. Films should be preserved and presented as they were originally screened.

If James Ivory, after the death of Ismael Merchant decided to go through their catelogue of 40+ films they made together and use special effects to "improve" them it would be a crime and people would be crying foul.

People let the fact that SW has an appeal to children get in the way of the facts. Films shouldn't be changed like this, and if they are then ALL versions should be made available.

Also, SW wasn't a hit in 1977 ONLY because of "stupid kids". EVERYONE went to see Star Wars, it was a cultural phenomenon similar to Titanic, where even your Aunt Ginny went and saw it twice.

DieselsDen 09-02-11 11:10 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by toddly6666 (Post 10910014)

I would hold on to the receipt if I were you. I heard that the director made changes to the originals or something like that.

Is that the real packaging? So much emphasis on the "spoofs."

GoldenJCJ 09-02-11 11:20 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by skywalker8 (Post 10909534)
Interesting read, but seems to me like the dude who wrote it has some issues.. clearly he hates his younger self and is embarrassed by the way he was as a kid and the time he wasted reading SW books. He should tell his therapist about this instead of writing it in Entertainment Weekly.

Though to be fair, that guy's childhood does sound pretty darn pathetic.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 10909522)
Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, not Spongebob Squarepants. Star Wars and Empire can and will stand the test of time in their original forms. These new versions can't even make it through the decade.

:up: That pretty much sums up this entire debate.

RocShemp 09-02-11 11:49 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by DieselsDen (Post 10910023)
Is that the real packaging? So much emphasis on the "spoofs."

It's a Photoshop gag.

http://i.imgur.com/tOZnb.jpg

LosingMyMind 09-02-11 01:12 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Color correction and sparks added in TESB.

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pinata242 09-02-11 01:15 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Not an offensive change. Not sure it's necessary, but I guess ILM needs work too?

milo bloom 09-02-11 01:18 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 10909522)
I'd make a counter argument: Star Wars (the first two anyway) are one of the few things kids tend to love that does genuinely hold up into adulthood, which makes the changes all the worse. Now, instead of being something you can grow up with and get more out of it as time passes, you're stuck with these increasingly degraded versions that dilute the narrative, the themes, and the filmmaking. Lucas' inspiration for Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress, not Spongebob Squarepants. Star Wars and Empire can and will stand the test of time in their original forms. These new versions can't even make it through the decade.

Great point, the originals appealed to kids and adults back in the day, they survived on home video and TV showings for years in their original form. And going back to the article, ROTJ is a bit creaky at times, but it's not dumb. Taken as a whole, the OT is a great trilogy of films. Not just scifi or kids' movies, but films.

(And I have to defend Spongebob a bit, when the creators of Spongebob are being silly, they do it on purpose and relish their goofiness. I'm convinced Lucas actually thinks he's making serious and needed changes, which makes the silliness even sillier because it doesn't have that self-awareness that campy bits usually have).

Anubis2005X 09-02-11 01:33 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10910184)
Not an offensive change. Not sure it's necessary, but I guess ILM needs work too?

If they need work then they should fix the damn lightsabers already!!

Nick Martin 09-02-11 01:49 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X (Post 10910204)
If they need work then they should fix the damn lightsabers already!!

Whoa now let's not get ahead of ourselves here!

ILM needs work yes, but not that much work. Got to take it one step (or 4 years) at a time!

Chrisedge 09-02-11 02:33 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Just canceled my pre-order...used this in the reason box.

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
- George Lucas who needs to listen to himself...

chanster 09-02-11 02:46 PM

re: Star Wars
 
The Darth Vader "NOOOOO" scream is the perfect example of attempting to retcon a bad decision. The scream in III was stupid, so in order to justify it, Lucas had to destroy one of the most powerful scenes in the OT. Its a drive by murder to save his more recent decisions. Bleh.

Anubis2005X 09-02-11 02:55 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by chanster (Post 10910291)
The Darth Vader "NOOOOO" scream is the perfect example of attempting to retcon a bad decision. The scream in III was stupid, so in order to justify it, Lucas had to destroy one of the most powerful scenes in the OT. Its a drive by murder to save his more recent decisions. Bleh.

Ya know, I wouldn't even really mind the "NOOOO" in ROTS if the delivery hadn't been so awful. When he was getting pissed and just starting breaking stuff with the force, I was like holy shiz! I thought it had potential, but that "no" was just so cheeseball...

Josh-da-man 09-02-11 03:53 PM

re: Star Wars
 
The sticker should read:

9-Disc Set
includes
All 6 Movies
over 40 hours of special features
_____with_____
Even more pointless changes
you're going to fucking hate


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