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Hmm I didnt know the full set was book format.
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Looks like a carboard book like the Alien set. Not digging that at all.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 10835324)
Then Mark Hamill, after saying "I don't recall that" makes specific mention of insert shots of hands and such, which is an odd thing to mention if the entire scene didn't exist. But perhaps Mark was referring to specifically not remembering constructing the lightsaber, instead of the cave scene altogether. Again, the interviewer specifically mentions the constructing of the lightsaber, which isn't seen in the deleted scene, and thus likely not shot with Hamill either. So Hamill remembers the cave, but not constructing the lightsaber, just fiddling with it.
So the Hamill interview isn't the "slam dunk" evidence of a conspiracy some make it out to be. |
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 10835108)
Didn't I read somewhere they actually had a 90 minutes "fast" cut of Empire somewhat completed at one point?
I'd sell a kidney to see that. I've also read that there's so much alternate footage of ANH that you can construct a completely different movie. That'd be an extra worth buying the big set for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Up...The_Lost_Movie If by "alternate footage" you mean alternate takes of scenes shot, that's true of most films. Directors often don't stop shooting a scene after the first "good" take, but may shoot several takes that may end up in the final film. Some of this is for coverage, in case something bad happens to a particular reel of film, they'll still have a good take of the scene to use. Sometimes is for variety for experimenting with in the editing room. And sometimes it's because of perfectionism on the part of the Director; Stanley Kurbrick was notorious for the number of takes he'd shoot of a scene. In fact, in the silent era, complete alternate negatives were assembled out of the alternate takes. http://chart.copyrightdata.com/exercises.html Those unfamiliar with the practices of movie production companies during the silent era might not realize that the creation of multiple complete, yet different, negatives was common practice before the conversion to talking pictures. Studios made film prints directly from the original camera negative. Duplication stock intended to copy a negative to make an identical negative, did not give satisfactory picture quality. Even special effects, split-screens, double-exposures and dissolves were done “in the camera.” Even during the late 1890s, a short film made two years earlier by the Edison Company was so popular that the negative wore out servicing print orders, so the actors were called back to film the story anew. Even in 1914, D.W. Griffith shot just one take of each shot for his mammoth epic The Birth of a Nation. The wear on the negative, early in the run — necessitating that some scenes be recopied from the better prints for lack of any better source — may have convinced the better-financed filmmakers that it was a good idea to film a second usable take on each shot, unless the film was deemed of limited appeal. Chaplin made of policy of setting aside alternate takes. Major productions in the United States were filmed under policies calling for multiple good takes on each shot, so that a complete negative comprised of alternate takes could be shipped to Europe, eliminating the need for the primary negative to be shipped back and forth across seas as demand increased for new prints... ...[Fritz] Lang prepared three negatives of Metropolis. |
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 10835324)
My problem with the video "testimony" is that there's seems to be a bit of a breakdown in communication between the interviewer, Mark Hamill, and the scene in question.
First off, the interviewer asks about specifically constructing the lightsaber, which the deleted scene doesn't show. In the deleted scene, we see Luke adjusting something on the lightsaber, which may be the last tweaks after construction, but we don't see any actual construction. Then Mark Hamill, after saying "I don't recall that" makes specific mention of insert shots of hands and such, which is an odd thing to mention if the entire scene didn't exist. But perhaps Mark was referring to specifically not remembering constructing the lightsaber, instead of the cave scene altogether. Again, the interviewer specifically mentions the constructing of the lightsaber, which isn't seen in the deleted scene, and thus likely not shot with Hamill either. So Hamill remembers the cave, but not constructing the lightsaber, just fiddling with it. So the Hamill interview isn't the "slam dunk" evidence of a conspiracy some make it out to be. I believe the "hand" shots he was referring to were those in Empire, where he's receiving the prosthetic ... |
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Originally Posted by applesandrice
(Post 10835657)
I believe the "hand" shots he was referring to were those in Empire, where he's receiving the prosthetic ...
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
(Post 10835533)
Looks like a carboard book like the Alien set. Not digging that at all.
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 10835588)
I know the book The Secret History of Star Wars mentions that Lucas didn't like Kershner's original cut of ESB, and tried to create a faster-paced cut of the film, cutting out a lot of the character moments. However, Lucas didn't like the end result of his edit, and handed back control to Kershner. I don't know how long that cut actually was though.
Along those lines, I still maintain that the prequels (and ROTJ, to some extent) would all benefit greatly from another pass through the editing bay to tighten them up a bit. I think it would move even The Phantom Menace into solid B-grade movie territory.
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 10835588)
If by "alternate footage" you mean completely different scenes, that's unlikely. The only movie attempted from deleted scenes is the "Wake Up Ron Burgundy" DTV movie, and even that had to use some footage from the original film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Up...The_Lost_Movie If by "alternate footage" you mean alternate takes of scenes shot, that's true of most films. Directors often don't stop shooting a scene after the first "good" take, but may shoot several takes that may end up in the final film. Some of this is for coverage, in case something bad happens to a particular reel of film, they'll still have a good take of the scene to use. Sometimes is for variety for experimenting with in the editing room. And sometimes it's because of perfectionism on the part of the Director; Stanley Kurbrick was notorious for the number of takes he'd shoot of a scene. In fact, in the silent era, complete alternate negatives were assembled out of the alternate takes. http://chart.copyrightdata.com/exercises.html However, where alternate takes aren't that likely are for the FX scenes in Star Wars, although Lucas has replaced so much of it by now it may be possible to make an alternate version using only the original FX shots. Not exactly what I'm thinking of, more along the lines of some scenes being shot with a different emotion or tone than what we ended up seeing. One scene that comes to mind was from ANH where our heroes are still trying to escape the Death Star and there's a scene where they're walking down a hallway, and doing a non-chalant, whistling type of thing trying to be inconspicuous in front of all the stormtroopers and such, kinda like a Bugs Bunny trying to sneak by Elmer Fudd kind of shtick. Not sure where I read that, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. |
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Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 10835691)
Not exactly what I'm thinking of, more along the lines of some scenes being shot with a different emotion or tone than what we ended up seeing. One scene that comes to mind was from ANH where our heroes are still trying to escape the Death Star and there's a scene where they're walking down a hallway, and doing a non-chalant, whistling type of thing trying to be inconspicuous in front of all the stormtroopers and such, kinda like a Bugs Bunny trying to sneak by Elmer Fudd kind of shtick. Not sure where I read that, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.co...4/lostcut.html More information on the "Lost Cut: http://www.impossiblefunky.com/archi...e%20Lost%20Cut http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index....2_articleid=77 http://swtor.gamingfeeds.com/2010/11...wars-new-hope/ A list of scenes cut from all the films: http://www.blueharvest.net/images/cut.shtml |
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I really hope the packaging isn't like the Aliens set. As nice as it may be, having individual cases is a lot easier (and probably offers better protection for the movies).
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I thought most people liked the packaging on the Alien set - I did!
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I think you guys are forgetting about the fact that blu-rays have a special coating that makes it near impossible to scratch them by accident.
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Originally Posted by TheDuke
(Post 10836193)
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact that blu-rays have a special coating that makes it near impossible to scratch them by accident.
I loved the Alien packaging and am very glad it's the same here. I'm sure there will be a billion custom cover designs done, so it's not like everyone will be 'stuck' w/ this packaging if they don't like it |
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That whole Luke building the lightsaber looks fake, except for the scene of C-3PO standing outside.
This site has the original storyboard, and interviews. It looks like C-3PO's scene was filmed whereas the interior was never filmed. Its too bad that this is being passed off as real. Just another sham. http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index...._articleid=428 |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 10835713)
The scene you mention was from the "lost" first edit of Star Wars, done by John Jympson. As this link notes, it wasn't a completely different film, but has around 30-40% different footage, composed of either deleted scenes or alternate takes:
http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.co...4/lostcut.html More information on the "Lost Cut: http://www.impossiblefunky.com/archi...e%20Lost%20Cut http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index....2_articleid=77 http://swtor.gamingfeeds.com/2010/11...wars-new-hope/ A list of scenes cut from all the films: http://www.blueharvest.net/images/cut.shtml Incredible stuff. I wish the people putting together the SW DVDs had the same level of interest in this type of material, I mean, a whole movie on the 501st? Again, nice that they do charity work, but that's not what I want on a definitive Bluray set. It really feels weird for me to be such a longtime SW fan, but have only a passing interest in this set. |
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Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 10836502)
That whole Luke building the lightsaber looks fake, except for the scene of C-3PO standing outside.
Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 10836502)
This site has the original storyboard, and interviews. It looks like C-3PO's scene was filmed whereas the interior was never filmed.
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index...._articleid=428 So if John Williams went ahead and scored the scene, and those cues in that brief segment of music sound like they are timed perfectly with some film edits, we can probably assume that the entire scene was filmed and remains somewhere on a Lucasfilm shelf. Paul Harrison, master of [Elstree Props, a prop house that worked on the Star Wars films], alerted me to this page on his site where he has actual photos of the hero prop that was created for this scene. Interestingly enough, he claims that not only was this shot but it was cut from the film and then lost. http://web.archive.org/web/200608221...htsabers_.html More info on the prop: http://www.originalprop.com/blog/200...ca/#more-14305 So the article you linked to arrives at the conclusion that the full scene was shot, including the interior of the cave. |
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Originally Posted by chanster
(Post 10836502)
That whole Luke building the lightsaber looks fake, except for the scene of C-3PO standing outside.
This site has the original storyboard, and interviews. It looks like C-3PO's scene was filmed whereas the interior was never filmed. Its too bad that this is being passed off as real. Just another sham. http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index...._articleid=428 |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by TheDuke
(Post 10836193)
I think you guys are forgetting about the fact that blu-rays have a special coating that makes it near impossible to scratch them by accident.
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Yeah, that anti-scratch coating is pretty nice, but I don't want to test it too much.
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Hopefully the UK version is like the Alien gatefold set. I hate these digibooks or whatever you want to call them.
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Surprised so many are buying the set with the dreaded prequels. Am I the only one getting the original trilogy only?
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
(Post 10838137)
Surprised so many are buying the set with the dreaded prequels. Am I the only one getting the original trilogy only?
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
(Post 10838137)
Surprised so many are buying the set with the dreaded prequels. Am I the only one getting the original trilogy only?
The only true test you can ever tell about fans buying habits is if they sold the movies individually and the extras were a seperate disc. Then you may have alot of fans just buying Star Wars and Empire like me ;) |
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Actually I just canceled my Saga pre-order yesterday. I decided that 30 years in, I've had my fill of Star Wars extras and don't really care about the prequels anymore. Figured I'd save that $45 for something else.
In for just the OT set now. |
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I like ROTS well enough, so I'm in for the box set. I have a feeling that Attack of the Clones is going to be hardest to sit through. Shudder...
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I like the last hour of Clones and most of ROTS, but PM is going to be tough to stomach. The only reason I'm keeping the DVD is for The Beginning documentary, which I'm assuming with be redacted from the blu ray set.
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