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Supermallet 01-24-11 01:52 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 10605871)
Except for Gen. Grievous, of course. D'oh! Plot hole...

What evidence do we have the Greivous uses the Force? He wields lightsabers, but not in a way that the Jedi or Sith do. And he gets knocked about pretty badly by Obi-Wan using the Force.

Josh Z 01-24-11 02:58 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10605930)
What evidence do we have the Greivous uses the Force? He wields lightsabers, but not in a way that the Jedi or Sith do. And he gets knocked about pretty badly by Obi-Wan using the Force.

Admittedly, it's been a while since I've watched Revenge of the Sith. Doesn't he do Force Pushes? Maybe that's in the original Clone Wars animated series (the Tartakovsky one)? Or maybe I'm misremembering it, but I thought he did.

MBoyd 01-24-11 04:18 PM

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The mystery of why Mark Hamill breaks character and shouts "Carrie!" when exiting the X-Wing is now solved!

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7432/...sbeerxwing.gif

Jason 01-24-11 05:04 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 10606046)
Admittedly, it's been a while since I've watched Revenge of the Sith. Doesn't he do Force Pushes? Maybe that's in the original Clone Wars animated series (the Tartakovsky one)? Or maybe I'm misremembering it, but I thought he did.

I don't think there's anything in the movies that indicate Grievous is force sensitive, but in making a quick google search about it, I saw something from the comics about Grievous being the recipient of a transfusion from Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas (who ordered the clone army). Supposedly Dooku had killed him and kept him on ice for a while. So in the expanded universe (which is all non-canon), he might have some force abilities.

So in conclusion, I don't know :)

milo bloom 01-24-11 07:18 PM

re: Star Wars
 
I don't think Grievous is ever supposed to be indicated to have Force powers. He's a cyborg with the mind of a military leader so his tactical abilities are old fashioned training and natural talent. The bit with the lightsabers is the machine parts of him giving him the speed and reflexes necessary to handle (most Jedi) in saber content. As we see in ROTS, once he goes up against someone like Obi Wan, his non-Jedi limitations quickly show up.

milo bloom 01-24-11 07:24 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10605892)
Can you imagine being told you don't have the right blood cell count to be a Catholic?

Not to drag this too off topic, but isn't Jewish lineage fairly dependent on your bloodline? And I believe you have to show a certain amount of Native American ancestry to get certain things from the US government? The SW movies have plenty of issues, but there's also plenty of little details that Lucas took from real life.

Supermallet 01-24-11 07:45 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 10606046)
Admittedly, it's been a while since I've watched Revenge of the Sith. Doesn't he do Force Pushes? Maybe that's in the original Clone Wars animated series (the Tartakovsky one)? Or maybe I'm misremembering it, but I thought he did.

No, he gets Force pushed by Kenobi.


Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 10606473)
Not to drag this too off topic, but isn't Jewish lineage fairly dependent on your bloodline? And I believe you have to show a certain amount of Native American ancestry to get certain things from the US government? The SW movies have plenty of issues, but there's also plenty of little details that Lucas took from real life.

You can be born into Judaism or you can convert. However, neither method gives you the ability to use the Force. I think it's silly to say "Why can't everybody be a Jedi?" because it's pretty clear even in the OT that only a select few individuals are Force sensitive enough to ever become one.

pinata242 01-24-11 07:52 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10606505)
You can be born into Judaism or you can convert. However, neither method gives you the ability to use the Force.

Are you serious? I cancelling my conversion.

Supermallet 01-24-11 09:40 PM

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Spoiler:
That's just what we tell people so we can keep the numbers manageable.

But, fair warning, converts can't be on the Jedi council. Sorry.

hasslein 01-25-11 02:33 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10606290)
I don't think there's anything in the movies that indicate Grievous is force sensitive, but in making a quick google search about it, I saw something from the comics about Grievous being the recipient of a transfusion from Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas (who ordered the clone army). Supposedly Dooku had killed him and kept him on ice for a while. So in the expanded universe (which is all non-canon), he might have some force abilities.

So in conclusion, I don't know :)

When I first saw the film, I thought it was Darth Maul's organ (whatever it was) that we saw within him... I guess I was wrong..

Michael Corvin 01-25-11 03:49 PM

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Interesting. It never even crossed my mind that Grievous might be force sensitive. I always took it like Jason said. He's a warrior who just happens to have taught himself some badass saber skills.

Josh Z 01-25-11 04:23 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10606505)
You can be born into Judaism or you can convert. However, neither method gives you the ability to use the Force.

No, but you can use The Schwartz, though. :)

Supermallet 01-25-11 08:57 PM

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:lol: Nice.

Shazam 01-26-11 12:27 AM

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That was smart :lol:

Imail724 01-26-11 04:31 PM

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Since we know for sure that these blu-rays will not contain the theatrical version of the original trilogy, does anyone think the films will be further altered yet again? Maybe this is just more wishful thinking, but since Lucas clearly has zero intention of giving the original releases proper treatment, it would be nice if he corrected SOME things that are globally hated. Like maybe Han shooting first, or re-doing the Jabba scene from IV making him look more like he did in VI. Or maybe he'll make more alterations and fuck it up even further. I don't know

MTRodaba2468 01-26-11 05:11 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Imail724 (Post 10609480)
Since we know for sure that these blu-rays will not contain the theatrical version of the original trilogy, does anyone think the films will be further altered yet again? Maybe this is just more wishful thinking, but since Lucas clearly has zero intention of giving the original releases proper treatment, it would be nice if he corrected SOME things that are globally hated. Like maybe Han shooting first, or re-doing the Jabba scene from IV making him look more like he did in VI. Or maybe he'll make more alterations and fuck it up even further. I don't know

Oh it's a given that he will make further changes to the films. One change that's been all but confirmed is that he will replace the puppet Yoda in The Phantom Menace with a CGI version. Supposedly, some of the sound effects in A New Hope (such as when Obi Wan scares off the sand people attacking Luke) will be altered as well. And those are only changes that have been known; it's likely there will be new "surprises" as well...

JimRochester 01-26-11 06:26 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Imail724 (Post 10609480)
Or maybe he'll make more alterations and fuck it up even further.

My money is on this but remember it was all his original vision

Travis McClain 01-26-11 08:23 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Imail724 (Post 10609480)
Since we know for sure that these blu-rays will not contain the theatrical version of the original trilogy, does anyone think the films will be further altered yet again?

I've said for years that what I look forward to most is the inevitable tampering with the prequels. I'm eager to see how the generation that thought the OT crowd over-reacted handles "their" movies being tweaked. And you know what? I'm so used to it by now that I'm actually curious to see what's different about these movies come September.

BobSchlapowitz 01-26-11 08:53 PM

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All he needs to do is put Sebastian Shaw back in the ending of ROTJ and I'll be happy.

LosingMyMind 01-27-11 01:31 PM

re: Star Wars
 
George Lucas went through each movie frame by frame. He's bound to have found many things he wants changed.

Guru Askew 01-27-11 02:36 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by BobSchlapowitz (Post 10609917)
All he needs to do is put Sebastian Shaw back in the ending of ROTJ and I'll be happy.

I know I'm in the minority as the Hayden Force ghost is nearly as controversial as Greedo shooting first but I totally get why he did it. I don't need to debate all the in-story justification for it (which is what people tend to do when its discussed) but Lucas is totally right in putting a face the audience recognizes on Anakin as opposed to some old guy that you only saw for the first time two minutes previously in a much different form.

Ignohippo 01-27-11 03:17 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10609872)
I've said for years that what I look forward to most is the inevitable tampering with the prequels. I'm eager to see how the generation that thought the OT crowd over-reacted handles "their" movies being tweaked. And you know what? I'm so used to it by now that I'm actually curious to see what's different about these movies come September.



At least he can't f-up the prequels.

pinata242 01-27-11 03:18 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Ignohippo (Post 10611092)
At least he can't f-up the prequels.

Is that a challenge?

Spottedfeather 01-27-11 03:48 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Ignohippo (Post 10611092)
At least he can't f-up the prequels.

He already did. He made them.

Travis McClain 01-27-11 04:12 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Ignohippo (Post 10611092)
At least he can't f-up the prequels.

I read in a book about the making of Revenge of the Sith that Lucas shot the movie (I believe all three prequels) piecemeal, and then assembled the final cut as though a documentarian would have done. It's offensive that an artist would view a work as little more than a working draft, but that seems to be Lucas's view of these six movies. There's plenty of potential for the prequels to be tweaked and changed, that's for sure. Hell, I'll just be happy if that awkward shot of Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan igniting their lightsabers is fixed. (You know the one; where the blades appear, but aren't aligned with the handles at all at first.)

But then, maybe we'll get a 20 minute real time class lecture from Yoda about the science of midichlorians, the pod race will be even longer and all of Natalie Portman's performance will be replaced with outtakes that were even worse.


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