Star Wars
#4226
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From: Detroit, formerly known as Obi-Wanma
Re: Star Wars
Why would they release a 9 movie set in fall of 2019 in conjunction with Fox when they could wait a few more months and have full control of (and full profits from) everything except ANH?
#4227
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
As mentioned before, Fox retains some distribution rights to the first 6 films until 2020. So it's possible they'll release Episode 9 as a standalone release in time for Holidays 2019, and then the next year release a box set of all 9 episodes once the rights to most of the films revert back the Lucasfilm/Disney.
#4229
DVD Talk Hero
#4230
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Just read that the Lucas-Prowse feud was about Prowse cashing in on unauthorized Vader appearances. Seems petty of Lucas the billionaire.
#4231
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Should come as no surprise since Lucas is known for his obsessive micro managing of the Star Wars world.
#4232
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
I think it's more likely because of all the bad-mouthing Prowse did of Lucas post-1983, when Lucas decided Prowse wouldn't play the "revealed" Vader and went with actor Sebastian Shaw. Prowse didn't get "banned" from official conventions until around the time of the prequels. Of course, there were no "official" conventions until 1999 anyway.
#4233
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Happy Star Wars Day!
#4234
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
May the 4th is the Reformed Star Wars Day. As an Orthodox Star Wars fan, I celebrate on May 25th.
#4236
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Wars
I have to wonder if a big obstacle to getting the original unaltered trilogy released is Disney itself.
The current corporate culture seems to be opposed to things like directors cuts and extended versions of their films. The Marvel movies don't have extended or directors cuts even though, in many cases, they could. It's known that Joss Whedon wasn't satisfied with Avengers Age of Ultron, and we know that the "other" cut of Rogue One won't be seeing the light of day any time soon.
The current corporate culture seems to be opposed to things like directors cuts and extended versions of their films. The Marvel movies don't have extended or directors cuts even though, in many cases, they could. It's known that Joss Whedon wasn't satisfied with Avengers Age of Ultron, and we know that the "other" cut of Rogue One won't be seeing the light of day any time soon.
The podcast interview in question:
http://steelewars.com/the_last_jedi_cast_interviews/
At about the 16:09 mark is the question. The interviewer asks whether the final cuts of "George's" films would be "altered over time." Kennedy's response: "I wouldn't touch those, are you kidding?"
I think it's a poorly phrased question, since it asks about "altering" films instead of "restoring" films, and it doesn't pin-point which films exactly; Kennedy may have thought the question was about arbitrary changes to all the earlier films, including the prequels.
The question immediately preceding it, at 15:33 is about the transition to Disney and whether there's a "contractual obligation that the films are locked into their current form." Kennedy's answer is as if she understood him to be asking about Disney influencing the new films in any way. Again, I think this question was poorly phrased, and I think Kathleen Kennedy just wasn't in the "head space" of the questions being in regard to restoring the original versions of the original trilogy at all.
http://steelewars.com/the_last_jedi_cast_interviews/
At about the 16:09 mark is the question. The interviewer asks whether the final cuts of "George's" films would be "altered over time." Kennedy's response: "I wouldn't touch those, are you kidding?"
I think it's a poorly phrased question, since it asks about "altering" films instead of "restoring" films, and it doesn't pin-point which films exactly; Kennedy may have thought the question was about arbitrary changes to all the earlier films, including the prequels.
The question immediately preceding it, at 15:33 is about the transition to Disney and whether there's a "contractual obligation that the films are locked into their current form." Kennedy's answer is as if she understood him to be asking about Disney influencing the new films in any way. Again, I think this question was poorly phrased, and I think Kathleen Kennedy just wasn't in the "head space" of the questions being in regard to restoring the original versions of the original trilogy at all.
As a person, I respect Lucas tremendously. He's innovates filmmaking and totally changed the media landscape, and his donation of billions to charity is always praiseworth. He sounds like a good-hearted and giving person.
#4237
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Disney bought Pixar, but let Pixar be Pixer. Disney bought Marvel, but let Marvel keep doing what they're doing. Disney wants to keep the image of being "hands-off," and letting Lucas's hand-picked heir make what they feel is Star Wars. And they don't want Lucas getting pissing and bitching to the press, or even the press speculating Lucas being upset, and thus making audiences and other creatives upset at them, and possibly affecting their bottom line.
That said, there is a "cultural history" and "film preservation" angle to play with the original cuts of the films, and it could be argued that Disney isn't "messing" with the films by releasing the original cuts, but "restoring" them. Especially if they package them as "alternate cuts" to the "main version," i.e. the SEs. And I think Lucas could be persuaded to allow them in that form as well, as he did with the bonus DVDs.
So I don't think all hope is lost, but I do think George Lucas, and keeping him happy, is a factor Disney is taking into consideration.
#4239
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars
I don't have any numbers, but I doubt it. There's a group of fans that hate the prequels, and a smaller group of fans that hate that he's hidden away the original versions of the original trilogy. However, a lot of fans still like him, as evidenced by his popularity at the recent convention.
It also kind of irritated me when the Blu-ray set came out and he caught criticism for his changes and he played off this woe is me attitude like he didn't know why people were upset with him. When you change your mind for the third time and include a change that was something widely made fun of/criticized in a pivotal moment (the Vader "nooooooo" at the end of Return of the Jedi) and then try and play it off like we should be the ones feeling sorry for him taking criticism it kind of felt like that was the moment where I felt like saying fuck you dude to him. In my opinion that's the worst and most insulting change to the films (even more than Greedo shooting first) because of how willfully ignorant it is.
Last edited by Mike86; 05-06-17 at 12:28 AM.
#4241
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
I fall more into the second group. I don't like the prequels but its really the fact that he refuses to release the unaltered Original Trilogy that pisses me off about him. It isn't that I don't think his editions should cease to exist if those are the versions he considers definitive but to be so closed minded and basically tell people to like this my way and only my way even though you may have liked the way you saw the films originally better just makes him kind of a douche to his fans in my opinion.
It also kind of irritated me when the Blu-ray set came out and he caught criticism for his changes and he played off this woe is me attitude like he didn't know why people were upset with him. When you change your mind for the third time and include a change that was something widely made fun of/criticized in a pivotal moment (the Vader "nooooooo" at the end of Return of the Jedi) and then try and play it off like we should be the ones feeling sorry for him taking criticism it kind of felt like that was the moment where I felt like saying fuck you dude to him. In my opinion that's the worst and most insulting change to the films (even more than Greedo shooting first) because of how willfully ignorant it is.
It also kind of irritated me when the Blu-ray set came out and he caught criticism for his changes and he played off this woe is me attitude like he didn't know why people were upset with him. When you change your mind for the third time and include a change that was something widely made fun of/criticized in a pivotal moment (the Vader "nooooooo" at the end of Return of the Jedi) and then try and play it off like we should be the ones feeling sorry for him taking criticism it kind of felt like that was the moment where I felt like saying fuck you dude to him. In my opinion that's the worst and most insulting change to the films (even more than Greedo shooting first) because of how willfully ignorant it is.
I've said over and over again I would gladly own all versions of the Star Wars movies, as long as I was given the chance to buy cleaned up versions of the original theatrical trilogy.
I'm not asking for my preferences to be made law, I'm simply asking for the choice.
#4242
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/DES...-1977/id/49908
Back in 2012, he stated the reason for sticking with 720p was due to limitations within the sources he was using:
https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/20...ted-is-enough/
Now that there are a few "grindhouse" 1080p scans of 35mm prints of the films available, I don't know if that reasoning has changed at all. If a 35mm print is cleaned up enough, I'm not sure a "despecialized" version would even be necessary.
#4243
Re: Star Wars
I really gotta track down those Harmy versions. I didn't know what keywords to use previously, but from the last few posts it looks like "revisited" and "despecialized".
#4244
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
I think the file sizes for the Harmy MKVs would be another clue.
IIRC:
SW 2.5: 17.9 GB
ESB 2.0: 19.7 GB
ROTJ 2.5: 19.2 GB
Not sure if there is a ESB 2.5 yet from Harmy. There is also the SIlver Screen versions. I got them all from torrents but in the future for newer releases, I might get them from pay news groups since I don't like going to torrentland.
IIRC:
SW 2.5: 17.9 GB
ESB 2.0: 19.7 GB
ROTJ 2.5: 19.2 GB
Not sure if there is a ESB 2.5 yet from Harmy. There is also the SIlver Screen versions. I got them all from torrents but in the future for newer releases, I might get them from pay news groups since I don't like going to torrentland.
#4245
Re: Star Wars
I finally broke down and bought the 9-disc set. A local shop had a sealed copy for $30 and just for RotS, ESB (which honestly doesn't have any truly egregious changes and is my all time favorite), and the extras, it was impossible to pass up.
#4246
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: Star Wars
I wouldn't buy it even for $1.
#4247
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#4249
DVD Talk Hero
#4250
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars
I've been sort of tempted many times but I just can't bring myself to buy them. It's honestly that one change above all others that pisses me off and on principle I won't buy them. I know it doesn't make a difference but I just won't.



