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DthRdrX 09-20-15 01:49 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12592437)

Besides, unless they've cut a deal with FOX, Disney can't do anything with A NEW HOPE.

While this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if the two did come to terms on a SW deal. Fox lost a bit of money theatrically this summer and money's money. It was always Lucas that prevented the unaltered films from being released the way they should be, not Fox.

Disney is trying to make as much goodwill with fans as possible so pushing the unaltered films makes sense.

joltman 09-20-15 10:40 AM

re: Star Wars
 
Doesn't FOX still have the distribution rights to all of them, meaning they'll release whatever Lucasfilm/Disney tell them to?

Jay G. 09-20-15 12:34 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by joltman (Post 12592575)
Doesn't FOX still have the distribution rights to all of them, meaning they'll release whatever Lucasfilm/Disney tell them to?

20th Century Fox is the film studio, FOX is the TV channel; they're different subsidiaries.

20th Century Fox has the distribution rights to the first 6 episodes until 2020, afterwards they'll only own the distribution rights to the first movie.

20th Century Fox doesn't have to release anything Lucasfilm/Disney asks them to. However, they'd hardly pass on the opportunity to release new content while they can. It's more likely that Disney would be reluctant to release additional content until most of the rights revert back to them.

Once 2020 rolls around, Disney would have to strike a distribution deal with Fox to release a combined boxset that includes the first Star Wars film. It seems very likely to happen though.

PhantomStranger 09-20-15 01:10 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12592258)
I bet no one noticed I was gone.

You disappeared during the summer months, when many people temporarily fall off from the forum for other things.

Trevor 09-20-15 01:27 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12592258)
I bet no one noticed I was gone.


Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12592746)
You disappeared during the summer months, when many people temporarily fall off from the forum for other things.

I once left for about six months with nary a peep.

I think this forum is big and varied enough that no one would be missed, except maybe Chad come mid-September.

rocket1312 09-20-15 06:17 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12592258)
Well, there's still the color-timing, the garbage mattes, the sound mix, and lots of other things they could potentially fuck up.

I bet no one noticed I was gone.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/12589062-post21.html

Mike86 09-20-15 06:29 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12592676)
Once 2020 rolls around, Disney would have to strike a distribution deal with Fox to release a combined boxset that includes the first Star Wars film. It seems very likely to happen though.

I wonder about this in all honesty. It seems to make sense that Fox would work with Disney on Star Wars releases going forward because let's be honest most people who are interested in buying the film probably want at least the Original Trilogy which Fox won't be able to provide. Fox would seemingly be at a disadvantage just having the first film to release on its own (although I'm sure it'd still sell some copies) but they also seem pretty against the idea of playing nice with Disney as far as the Marvel properties they own. Plus Disney isn't helping matters either really by sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four so I'm really curious if they'll work something out or not.

PhantomStranger 09-20-15 06:57 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Both sides would be leaving money on the table if the original Star Wars Trilogy gets split up to any degree. I see some posturing but ultimately they will agree to a truce.

Jay G. 09-20-15 07:52 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12593137)
Fox would seemingly be at a disadvantage just having the first film to release on its own (although I'm sure it'd still sell some copies) but they also seem pretty against the idea of playing nice with Disney as far as the Marvel properties they own. Plus Disney isn't helping matters either really by sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four so I'm really curious if they'll work something out or not.

The Star Wars and Marvel properties are two entirely different scenarios. With Star Wars, Fox only has distribution rights, period. They can't make more Star Wars films, they can only distribute the ones they already have, and they soon will only have the rights to one.

With X-Men and Fantastic Four, Fox owns the movie rights outright, they can continue making their own films without Disney, so they are. There's no reason to strike a partnership and share with Disney if they can make a successful film franchise on their own, which they have with X-Men. Keep in mind Sony only partnered with Disney with Spiderman after their latest solo effort underperformed.

Also, I honestly don't know what you mean by "Disney sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four." I'm not aware of Disney doing anything to directly harm those film franchises.

Mike86 09-20-15 08:31 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12593205)
The Star Wars and Marvel properties are two entirely different scenarios. With Star Wars, Fox only has distribution rights, period. They can't make more Star Wars films, they can only distribute the ones they already have, and they soon will only have the rights to one.

Either way though it's no secret that there's no love lost between the two companies. I could see Fox holding out on letting Disney use the original film to spite them. I'm sure it pisses Fox off to no end to lose one of the biggest franchises they previously held the rights to.


Also, I honestly don't know what you mean by "Disney sabotaging the X-Men and Fantastic Four." I'm not aware of Disney doing anything to directly harm those film franchises.
Marvel cancelled the Fantastic Four comic and it was rumored to be partly because of Disney not wanting Fox to get promotion for their film off the comic series. Plus there's rumors that Marvel is trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans.

Jay G. 09-20-15 09:06 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12593227)
Either way though it's no secret that there's no love lost between the two companies. I could see Fox holding out on letting Disney use the original film to spite them. I'm sure it pisses Fox off to no end to lose one of the biggest franchises they previously held the rights to.

These are film companies, not 12 year olds. Even if someone at Fox wanted to be so petty, by the time 2020 rolls around there will have been so much turnover it'll be effectively a different company, one that puts profit above all else.


Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12593227)
Marvel cancelled the Fantastic Four comic...

I'm not sure that really sabotaged the movie though, and the head of Fox didn't think so either:
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/15/fant...e-movie-accor/


Originally Posted by Mike86 (Post 12593227)
Plus there's rumors that Marvel is trying to replace the X-Men with the Inhumans.

Do you mean in the comics or in the MCU? Because in the movies/TV shows they're definitely angling for Inhumans to be their substitutes for mutants.

But even if there is actual bad blood between Disney and Fox over Marvel properties, that won't necessarily translate over to the Star Wars properties. Companies can often seem schizophrenic, fighting over one thing while at the same time working together on something else. See things like Apple suing Samsung over their smartphones while still getting all the LCD screens for the iDevices from Samsung. So even a beef over Marvel doesn't mean a Star Wars deal wouldn't happen.

Josh-da-man 09-20-15 10:33 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12593259)
These are film companies, not 12 year olds. Even if someone at Fox wanted to be so petty, by the time 2020 rolls around there will have been so much turnover it'll be effectively a different company, one that puts profit above all else.


I'm not sure that really sabotaged the movie though, and the head of Fox didn't think so either:
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/15/fant...e-movie-accor/

Canceling the Fantastic Four comic was an act of pettiness on Marvel's part (or, more specifically, one person in particular). They've also been downplaying the FF and X-Men in non-movie related merchandise.



Do you mean in the comics or in the MCU? Because in the movies/TV shows they're definitely angling for Inhumans to be their substitutes for mutants.

But even if there is actual bad blood between Disney and Fox over Marvel properties, that won't necessarily translate over to the Star Wars properties. Companies can often seem schizophrenic, fighting over one thing while at the same time working together on something else. See things like Apple suing Samsung over their smartphones while still getting all the LCD screens for the iDevices from Samsung. So even a beef over Marvel doesn't mean a Star Wars deal wouldn't happen.
Yeah, they're definitely playing up The Inhumans, in both TV/movies and the comics. While Marvel won't cancel the X-family books, it is rumored that they do have something 'big' in mind for them... Namely
Spoiler:
sending most or all mutants to another planet because the Terrigen mists that trigger Inhumans are lethal to mutants. Though playing up the Inhumans at the expense of the X-Men is probably the film/tv division tail wagging the comic dog, much like how they replaced the comic book Nick Fury with one that resembles Sam Jackson.


At any rate, I wouldn't expect any Marvel-Fox conflicts to spill over into Star Wars, as much of the acrimony between the Marvel publishing division seems to come from one person who rules over Marvel, but probably has minimal influence over Lucasfilm.

PhantomStranger 09-21-15 12:17 AM

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It's pretty clear a corporate agenda at Disney has been developed to de-emphasize Marvel properties they don't have complete control over (Fantastic Four, X-Men, the Hulk) for characters they own lock, stock and barrel on film/television. Marvel/Disney have basically abandoned merchandising those characters for ones they don't share any profits with.

Jay G. 09-21-15 07:26 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12593320)
...much like how they replaced the comic book Nick Fury with one that resembles Sam Jackson.

To be fair, Marvel made The Ultimates Nick Fury look like Sam Jackson well before he was ever cast for the role in the films. Even if Marvel had never made any movies, they may have eventually gone down the "Nick Fury Jr." route anyway.


Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12593367)
It's pretty clear a corporate agenda at Disney has been developed to de-emphasize Marvel properties they don't have complete control over (Fantastic Four, X-Men, the Hulk) for characters they own lock, stock and barrel on film/television. Marvel/Disney have basically abandoned merchandising those characters for ones they don't share any profits with.

Yeah, but that just makes business sense. What I don't agree with is the concept is their de-emphasis on certain property translates to "Disney sabotages Fox's film franchises" (I doubt the FF comic cancelation had any impact on the latest film's box office), nor that any theoretical animosity between Fox and Disney over Marvel would preclude a deal for Star Wars.

milo bloom 09-21-15 09:55 AM

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While I'm usually the first to accept a claim of corporate malfeasance, I'm fairly sure Star Wars will be handled differently. No matter how popular comic book movies have become with the general populace, the vast majority of them are still not going to pick up a comic book. There will be people who were already on the edge of getting into comics, but most people simply won't.

Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.

*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.

Shannon Nutt 09-21-15 01:32 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 12593259)
These are film companies, not 12 year olds.

Honestly, you'd have better luck making a deal between 12 year olds.

DthRdrX 09-21-15 01:55 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 12593560)
While I'm usually the first to accept a claim of corporate malfeasance, I'm fairly sure Star Wars will be handled differently. No matter how popular comic book movies have become with the general populace, the vast majority of them are still not going to pick up a comic book. There will be people who were already on the edge of getting into comics, but most people simply won't.

Star Wars is different, it crosses over into all walks of life. Disney has massive pockets, and as others have noted, Fox may be looking for cash.

*Something* will happen. We can't guess at all the details, but people who keep throwing out that Fox distribution deal like it's some kind of immovable stone blocking the gates of heaven really need to take a reality check.

Batman is big too, which is why the old TV show had the rights eventually figured out. If Lucas does not have the power to block the originals from being remastered and released I suspect it will eventually happen.

davidh777 09-21-15 02:02 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 12592775)
I once left for about six months with nary a peep.

I think this forum is big and varied enough that no one would be missed, except maybe Chad come mid-September.

I think I mentioned something about your being back, if it's the time I was thinking of. Pretty sure there are a lot of people I'd notice, like when they don't post in threads where I'd expect them to.


Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 12593121)

:lol: :up: Thanks! I thought of that post the other day when han reappeared but couldn't remember which thread it was (my first thought was mojo so I'm glad I hadn't gotten around to looking for it).

hanshotfirst1138 09-24-15 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12567521)
As an analog format, Laserdisc picture quality varied widely based on the quality of the player used. There could be a significant difference in what you saw between an entry-level and a high-end model. Much more than anything you'd ever see between two different DVD players. Further, those screencap comparisons are highly misleading. The disc used was in CLV format, which did not offer true still frame capability. When paused, you got a half-resolution interlaced field, not the whole frame. Also, the "1995 PAL Laserdisc" was an NTSC-to-PAL conversion, which was not done very well back in the day and typically resulted in a worse image despite the higher resolution of the PAL format. Laserdisc did not have any significant market penetration in Europe, and most PAL LDs were inferior to their NTSC counterparts. Screencapping Laserdiscs is highly problematic under even the best circumstances. The example posted is not the best circumstance. I'm not saying this to suggest that the Star Wars Laserdisc was great quality. Just that, in this specific instance, any difference between the LD and the DVD is negligible.

The Definitive Collection box set had all the discs in CAV format, a half-hour of video per side. The 1995 re-releases were CLV format, an hour per side. The 1995 discs also had no bonus features. Other than that, they used the same video transfers.

What really burned me about the whole thing was the "bonus material" BS. I may not have liked Lucas' stance that "the originals are dead," but prior to the 2008 releases, he had at least stuck by his guns for the past decade. I hated his view, but he stood by it. I'd rather be continued to than do a half-assed laserdisc port, it was utter crock. I was so elated to hear that they were coming out and then crushed to heard about what they'd be. The "bonus material" crap was insulting. If you can't do something correctly, then don't bother doing it at all. It was the ultimate act of hypocrisy.


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 12566431)
No, it's not, because neither one of them knew they were related at the time.

Doesn't make it any less uncomfortable when the viewer knows -eek-.

slop101 09-24-15 11:35 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12597691)
Doesn't make it any less uncomfortable when the viewer knows -eek-.

When I saw the Empire re-release in a big crowded theater, during that scene, the entire crowd went "Ewwww!" It was hilarious.

milo bloom 09-25-15 10:11 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12597690)
What really burned me about the whole thing was the "bonus material" BS. I may not have liked Lucas' stance that "the originals are dead," but prior to the 2008 releases, he had at least stuck by his guns for the past decade. I hated his view, but he stood by it. I'd rather be continued to than do a half-assed laserdisc port, it was utter crock. I was so elated to hear that they were coming out and then crushed to heard about what they'd be. The "bonus material" crap was insulting. If you can't do something correctly, then don't bother doing it at all. It was the ultimate act of hypocrisy.


Thank you for putting it into words. All these years it's just sat inside me as a ball of smoldering rage. These weren't some quirky little side projects, this is the stuff that f*cking made him!. To treat them that way has always made me both mad that they're not in a decent format for viewing but also sad that somebody could let a project of theirs be presented in such a cheap way.

Alan Smithee 09-25-15 07:40 PM

re: Star Wars
 
I'd bet anything that George Lucas has Asperger's (and I say this as someone with it!)

The Valeyard 09-25-15 07:54 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Wonder if Lucas has a stack of old Star Wars CEDs in his living room?

hanshotfirst1138 09-25-15 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Alan Smithee (Post 12598646)
I'd bet anything that George Lucas has Asperger's (and I say this as someone with it!)

I have it too. Not that any of you could tell :lol:.

Alan Smithee 09-26-15 12:36 AM

re: Star Wars
 

Wonder if Lucas has a stack of old Star Wars CEDs in his living room?
Those don't exist anymore!


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