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Jay G. 08-13-13 06:15 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11796768)
Am I safe in assuming that this release is just the altered versions repackaged?
There hasn't been much info about those releases yet, but that is the assumption.

It looks like the Blu-ray only Trilogy packs have gone out of print. The Complete Saga release is still available though.

hanshotfirst1138 08-13-13 09:44 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by The Valeyard (Post 11796785)
What's with all this "we" talk, kemosabe? I love the Original Trilogy and haven't bought any of the Special Edition releases. They aren't cramming anything down your throat. Just don't buy them. Trust me. It's easy.
I don't buy them, it is easy, but going without the OOT is considerably harder.

Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 11795911)
I do wish him the best, it'll be a lot of work at his age!

mcnabb 08-13-13 10:12 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 11795911)
George Lucas has a new baby girl
When she's older she will ask him if he is her grandfather, and Lucas will respond, "No, I am your father!"

stvn1974 08-13-13 10:57 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Randy Miller III (Post 11795974)
He'll be great at making up stories from her childhood!
"Daddy, that isn't how the story went when you told it to me the other night."

"I know, that story wasn't my original intent so I changed it a bit, wait until I tell it to you again in a few weeks"

milo bloom 08-13-13 11:23 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Ignohippo (Post 11796674)
Dude's crazy like a fox. I guarantee you restored and remastered versions of the originals exist and were done when the SE's were remastered for Blu.

By having the SE's, he's created a whole other product. They'll cram the SE's down our throat again in 3d eventually and we'll all buy them. Then, a few years later, they'll come out with the Un-altered originals and we'll all buy them again. Then, a few years after that, 3d versions of the originals.

He knows what we want. But he also knows we'll buy the crappy SE's until originals are finally released. It's a whole other "product" he's created.

However, now that Kennedy is in charge, I don't know if she's up for those games. She seems to be very no-nonsense. She's pretty much dis-owning the prequels and seems to be very pro-original trilogy. She's also shrewd enough to know she'd look like a savior to SW fans if she'd release the originals.

DVD has peaked, if he was holding off to release the originals then he missed the window of opportunity. He had the chance to start the string of releases on DVD way back in 1997 when the SEs were released on VHS and LD. There's been rumors for years that a DVD release was *this* close to being done, but pulled back at the last minute. Even though it was the SE's, having something of the OT on DVD before 2004 would have done a lot to take pressure off them to do something.

And there have been multiple opportunities to release good versions of the originals and he has bypassed them all, only to foist the old LD transfer discs on us.


I do hope you're right about Kathleen Kennedy, and I'm hoping Disney won't want to leave anything off the shelves if it will make them a few bucks.

rocket1312 08-13-13 11:39 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Ignohippo (Post 11796674)
Dude's crazy like a fox. I guarantee you restored and remastered versions of the originals exist and were done when the SE's were remastered for Blu.

By having the SE's, he's created a whole other product. They'll cram the SE's down our throat again in 3d eventually and we'll all buy them. Then, a few years later, they'll come out with the Un-altered originals and we'll all buy them again. Then, a few years after that, 3d versions of the originals.

He knows what we want. But he also knows we'll buy the crappy SE's until originals are finally released. It's a whole other "product" he's created.
People always say stuff like this, but I've never seen anything that supports this. Sure, things get repackaged over and over in different configurations, but there's only been one version of the movies on dvd (don't get me started on those crappy "bonus" discs) and so far there's been only one version on blu-ray. When do you think this master plan of his to finally release the originals on the unsuspecting public will come to fruition? Look, I'm no Lucas defender. The last version of the OT I purchased was the SE VHS set, but I've never seen him as the manipulative money grubber that people paint him as. Lucasfilm has got so much crap in their vaults that they could re-release
these things ad infinitum adding a few deleted scenes here, a few documentaries there, but that's never been the case. His only real sin is insisting on making dumb changes to his movies every couple of years and in the process wiping the previous versions from history. I'm surprised he even allows the TV versions, which are the dvd versions, to air seeing as how they are in conflict with his 'original vision' as represented on the BDs.

Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 11797049)
When she's older she will ask him if he is her grandfather, and Lucas will respond, "No, I am your father!"
:lol:

mcnabb 08-13-13 12:04 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 11797151)
People always say stuff like this, but I've never seen anything that supports this. Sure, things get repackaged over and over in different configurations, but there's only been one version of the movies on dvd (don't get me started on those crappy "bonus" discs) and so far there's been only one version on blu-ray. When do you think this master plan of his to finally release the originals on the unsuspecting public will come to fruition? Look, I'm no Lucas defender. The last version of the OT I purchased was the SE VHS set, but I've never seen him as the manipulative money grubber that people paint him as. Lucasfilm has got so much crap in their vaults that they could re-release
these things ad infinitum adding a few deleted scenes here, a few documentaries there, but that's never been the case. His only real sin is insisting on making dumb changes to his movies every couple of years and in the process wiping the previous versions from history. I'm surprised he even allows the TV versions, which are the dvd versions, to air seeing as how they are in conflict with his 'original vision' as represented on the BDs.
Lucasfilm and DVD had a rocky start and I always felt their timing was always off on the market. (Remember they only put Episode I on VHS in 2000, and it didn't come to DVD until late 2001).

They should have put out a barebones version of the OT in 1999 to coincide with Episode I. It could have been a remastered OOT & SE in a 6 disk set. That would have kept ALL the fans happy and then Lucas could have done whatever he wanted to after that in terms of changes. But their rationale at the time was that they wanted to wait til the market was bigger, yet most people I know were holding off buying DVD players until big franchies like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and The Godfather were all coming out.

He then could have released the OT Boxset to coincide with the release of either Episode II or III DVD's. This boxset could have be the updated changes, documentaries, trailers, etc.

Instead he waited til 2004 to release the OT/SE only, and then a half-ass OOT non-anamorphic in 2006 when everyone was preparing for BluRay and totally alienated a good chunk of fans by then.

Jay G. 08-13-13 12:17 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 11797200)
Lucasfilm and DVD had a rocky start and I always felt their timing was always off on the market...
Lucas had different ideas than you on how to present the films on DVD.

It appears that he felt the DVD versions of the films were going to be close to "definitive". He didn't want to release any of the films on DVD until the prequel trilogy was completed. It was only market forces that made him release the prequels as they came out (with a delay for Ep 1), and then the OT.

For the OOT, Lucas didn't want them released, and didn't want to do any work on restoring them. Using an old Laserdisc master to put them on DVD as a "bonus disc" was a sort of compromise. He didn't care that they weren't good enough for Blu-ray or anything.

It's somewhat fortunate for fans that Lucas felt that Lucasfilm needed to make money. If he didn't have that commitment to keeping the company operational, we likely would've sat on the OOT completely, as well as sitting on even the SEs until he was done tweaking them to his liking.

Josh Z 08-13-13 12:21 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by stvn1974 (Post 11797086)
"Daddy, that isn't how the story went when you told it to me the other night."

"I know, that story wasn't my original intent so I changed it a bit, wait until I tell it to you again in a few weeks"
"You see, Sweetie, the story has actually always been this way. You just misinterpreted it. If you don't stop questioning me, I won't tell you stories anymore. Why would I tell any more, when everybody yells at me all the time and says what a terrible person I am? I have completed my task as a man and a bedtime storyteller."

Alan Smithee 08-13-13 02:30 PM
re: Star Wars
 
"When I first told you that story, the technology didn't exist to tell it the way I had really wanted."

rocket1312 08-13-13 02:52 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Jay G. (Post 11797225)
It's somewhat fortunate for fans that Lucas felt that Lucasfilm needed to make money. If he didn't have that commitment to keeping the company operational, we likely would've sat on the OOT completely, as well as sitting on even the SEs until he was done tweaking them to his liking.
Exactly. Again, which is why I don't get it when people accuse him of bleeding every last dime out of the fans. If we're talking about merchandise, then yes, he has proven that he'll put out just about anything. When it comes to the actual movies though, he has left a lot of money on the table. The 3D releases were definitely a step in that direction, but otherwise he seems pretty innocent.

TheKing 08-23-13 06:34 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by mcnabb (Post 11797049)
When she's older she will ask him if he is her grandfather, and Lucas will respond, "No, I am your father!"
And when he changes her diaper he can say "And I thought they smelled bad...on the outside"

Mr. Cinema 10-08-13 11:16 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Target has the new combo packs for $34.99 each. I got my copy at Walmart and their sticker price was also $34.96. The discs come in a 6-disc case.

wahlers 10-08-13 08:19 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Do the DVDs in these combo packs use the blu-ray versions of the films or the previous DVD versions?

Jay G. 10-08-13 10:15 PM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by wahlers (Post 11865393)
Do the DVDs in these combo packs use the blu-ray versions of the films or the previous DVD versions?
I would imagine they use the Blu-ray cuts on the DVDs, but I can't find anything that confirms that. It doesn't look like any review copies were sent out, and none of the other forums I frequent has anyone that had bought them.

Mr. Cinema 10-09-13 06:10 AM
re: Star Wars
 
I have the OT set. The length of each film matches on the BD and DVD. And the DVDs look like they were newly pressed for this release.

Jay G. 10-09-13 06:19 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema (Post 11865659)
I have the OT set. The length of each film matches on the BD and DVD. And the DVDs look like they were newly pressed for this release.
Could you note if any of the changes done for the Blu-ray are on the DVDs? Here's a list:
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-blur...s-benm-131712/

Mr. Cinema 10-09-13 07:39 AM
re: Star Wars
 
I can probably spot check them, but it probably won't be until later this week. I am expecting them to have the same cuts as the BDs.

joltman 10-09-13 10:49 AM
re: Star Wars
 
I'd imagine the quickest thing to check for would be Vader's "Noooooooooo" in Jedi.

Josh Z 10-09-13 10:52 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by joltman (Post 11865941)
I'd imagine the quickest thing to check for would be Vader's "Noooooooooo" in Jedi.
Or Hayden Christiansen appearing as Vader's force ghost.

Jay G. 10-09-13 11:14 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 11865945)
Or Hayden Christiansen appearing as Vader's force ghost.
That appeared in the 2004 SE DVDs, so it wouldn't work for checking for the Blu-ray cuts.

The major changes so far have been:
1997 (theatrical and home video)
2004 (first DVD release)
2011 (first Blu-ray release)

milo bloom 10-09-13 11:22 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Pretty sure the Blinking Ewok in ROTJ was first on the Bluray. Can't remember which specific scene that is though.

stvn1974 10-09-13 11:33 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Check for the added rocks in Star Wars. You know, important changes like that.

Jay G. 10-09-13 11:41 AM
re: Star Wars
 
Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 11865984)
Pretty sure the Blinking Ewok in ROTJ was first on the Bluray. Can't remember which specific scene that is though.
Yes, that first appeared on the Blu-ray. As I posted before, there's lists of all the changes.

A Basic list of the most significant changes:
http://screenrant.com/star-wars-blur...s-benm-131712/
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
  • There are computer-generated rocks in front of R2-D2 while he’s hiding in the canyon; however, they’re “magically not there” after he comes out of hiding
  • Obi-Wan’s fake “Krayt Dragon” roar is once again altered and it sounds “hideous”; keep the mute button at the ready
  • Greedo shoots first – again – but this time with slightly fewer frames than the previous release
  • Luke’s lightsaber while training on the Millennium Falcon is back to being “white” and “blue” as it was originally – it is no longer pale green, per the 2004 DVD release

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
  • Flames have been added to the probe droid crater
  • Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone
  • The Wampa arm is “fixed” — whatever that means — but it’s still imperfect
  • R2-D2’s once black panels are now blue in space
  • A la the DVD release, Emperor Palpatine – via hologram – is still played by Ian McDiarmid in his Revenge of the Sith makeup

Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
  • The static shot of C3PO and R2-D2 approaching Jabba’s palace has been replaced by a “wide pan with a huge door”; the door is now peppered with laser blast impacts
  • Han Solo’s “carbonite thaw” is now CGI
  • A computer-generated “Dug” from the prequels (Sebulba, the evil racer who podraced Anakin in The Phantom Menace, was a dug) is seen walking across the screen after Luke infiltrates Jabba’s palace; the dug looks “really fake, like it was [added at the] last minute”
  • Wicket the Ewok now has computer-generated, blinking eyes
  • Darth Vadar says “No” several times as he picks up Emperor Palpatine and tosses him into the Death Star reactor core; the “Nos” seem to be sampled from The Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith, respectively
More detailed lists:
http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpb...er=asc&start=0
http://www.welovecult.com/2011/news/...u-ray-changes/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lu-ray_edition

Josh-da-man 10-09-13 04:29 PM
re: Star Wars
 
The Wampa arm is “fixed” — whatever that means — but it’s still imperfect
In all previous versions of the scene, it can be seen that the Wampa arm is fake by looking at the edge of the screen.


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