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milo bloom 12-31-24 10:00 PM

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And keep in mind the actual physical cost of Blu-rays and such is likely only a couple bucks a piece. It's like LEGO, it's not the cost of the physical materials - it's the R&D and the licensing that really run up the cost.

And even for celebrities that have money, sometimes it's about the experience that makes it unique for them.

Josh Z 01-01-25 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coral (Post 14530167)
I'm not questioning why Criterion gets them to do it. I get that part. What I don't get is when rich-ass celebrities salivate at being able to grab these titles for free (I'm not talking about their excitement when they talk about the titles). If I were them, Amazon would basically be my Criterion closet. I wouldn't think anything about spending a few hundred (or a few thousand) dollars on titles if I were them.

I doubt it's about money. Walking into a physical location filled with things you care about and being able to grab them off the shelf is a different tactile and emotional experience than clicking buttons on Amazon. And most of these celebrities can't just walk into a retail store without being accosted by gawkers. For items that can only be obtained at retail, they have personal shoppers do that for them most of the time. (On top of which, aside from Barnes & Noble, few retail locations even carry Criterion discs anymore.)

I think the excitement is just about being able to have a private shopping experience in which they get to browse through a collection of movies they may not even realize they want until they see it in hand.

rocket1312 01-01-25 11:31 AM

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I also question how many of them actually take the discs home, or if they do take the discs home, actually watch them​​​​​​. I'm sure there are plenty that do, but it's obviously all about the marketing.

DJariya 01-01-25 12:37 PM

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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...e1d36bb6ee.gif

F the celebrities. why can’t I get free Criterions? ;)

Josh Z 01-01-25 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14530399)
F the celebrities. why can’t I get free Criterions? ;)

All you need to do is become a celebrity. How hard could that be? :D

Brian T 01-01-25 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 14530462)
All you need to do is become a celebrity. How hard could that be? :D

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before they start having YouTube and TikTok “influencers” in there, so that might be an option. Just do dances or something.

Mind you, I do agree somewhat with some of the sentiment here, and I often wonder if some of these folks even have Blu-ray players to watch them on. The Closet has really moved up the ‘celebrity hierarchy’ in the last year or so – featuring far more people who undoubtedly do have wealth – which is where I think some of the grumbling comes from. I suspect now that it’s more of an “in” thing than ever, half of Hollywood’s upper crust probably has it pencilled into their calendars and Criterion is only too happy to oblige for the social buzz it generates for them. Way of the world these days.

Paff 01-03-25 06:01 PM

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Mikey Madison's is up.

I'll be respectful and not objectifying, but I'll just mention that there's a certain undergarment she chose not to wear for this video.

Coral 01-03-25 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Paff (Post 14531403)
Mikey Madison's is up.

I'll be respectful and not objectifying, but I'll just mention that there's a certain undergarment she chose not to wear for this video.

I saw that. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Josh-da-man 01-04-25 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14530399)
F the celebrities. why can’t I get free Criterions? ;)


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 14530462)
All you need to do is become a celebrity. How hard could that be? :D

I remember an interview with an actress who said that once she got her first high profile gig -- and the money that came with it -- everyone just started giving her stuff for free. When she was a struggling actress, she couldn't afford nice things, and then, once she hit the jackpot, she was getting more designer clothes, shoes, and accessories, for free than she could ever use. I think she ended up donating a lot of them to charity.

Brian T 01-04-25 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 14531559)
I remember an interview with an actress who said that once she got her first high profile gig -- and the money that came with it -- everyone just started giving her stuff for free. When she was a struggling actress, she couldn't afford nice things, and then, once she hit the jackpot, she was getting more designer clothes, shoes, and accessories, for free than she could ever use. I think she ended up donating a lot of them to charity.

The rewarding of celebrity goes way back, sadly. It’s just more mercenary in this age of influencers than ever before. The ‘swag bags’ handed out at virtually every film festival, awards ceremony, and every other public-facing event are insanely valuable. Sponsors covet any potential endorsements, so even if only a handful of celebs take the bait, I guess it’s worth it.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/angelicaama...ammy-gift-bags

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/oscars-gift-bags-2024/

https://torontolife.com/shopping/tif...g-inside-look/


dex14 01-15-25 11:09 AM

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Blu:

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4K:

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clckworang 01-15-25 11:45 AM

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It's disappointing that it appears only the newly created B&W version of Basquiat will be in 4k, not the original color.

dex14 01-15-25 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 14536976)
It's disappointing that it appears only the newly created B&W version of Basquiat will be in 4k, not the original color.

At least they still included the theatrical release.

PerryD 01-15-25 12:48 PM

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So excited for Anora, that'll be a treat in 4K

Josh Z 01-15-25 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 14536979)
At least they still included the theatrical release.

Are we sure about that? The press release only says:
  • One 4K UHD disc of the 2024 black-and-white version of the film presented in Dolby Vision HDR and one Blu-ray with the film and special features

It doesn't specify which version will be on the "Blu-ray with the film."

dex14 01-15-25 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 14537104)
Are we sure about that? The press release only says:
  • One 4K UHD disc of the 2024 black-and-white version of the film presented in Dolby Vision HDR and one Blu-ray with the film and special features

It doesn't specify which version will be on the "Blu-ray with the film."

Yes... in the special features:
"New 4K digital restoration of the 1996 theatrical version"
https://www.criterion.com/films/33321-basquiat

stvn1974 01-15-25 05:05 PM

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I will be getting Some Like It Hot for sure and will rent Anora first to see if it is something I need to own.

Coral 01-15-25 05:34 PM

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Jean de Florette / Manon of the Spring is a fantastic addition. Love the cover too.

milo bloom 01-15-25 07:18 PM

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Neat stuff, nothing for me.

Godzilla vs Biollante is the first title in a while I've wanted from Criterion.

Hazel Motes 01-16-25 05:50 AM

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That Prince of Broadway cover was pretty confusing at first glance lol.

I know a lot was made of the WKW restorations when the box set first came
out. Color changes, aspect ratio, soundtrack etc. Were all the films heavily revised? Does anyone know what changes were made to Chungking Express? I’m debating whether or not to pick it up.

It’s a shame when filmmakers choose the Lucas route instead of the Coppola one. Whereas Lucas sticks both middle fingers up to the audience and says “be happy you get anything”, at least Coppola is like “hey, don’t like the new one, that’s okay you can have both.”

Brian T 01-16-25 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 14537359)
I know a lot was made of the WKW restorations when the box set first came out. Color changes, aspect ratio, soundtrack etc. Were all the films heavily revised? Does anyone know what changes were made to Chungking Express? I’m debating whether or not to pick it up.

It’s a shame when filmmakers choose the Lucas route instead of the Coppola one. Whereas Lucas sticks both middle fingers up to the audience and says “be happy you get anything”, at least Coppola is like “hey, don’t like the new one, that’s okay you can have both.”

Totally agree that the Coppola approach is preferable. :thumbsup:

Best bet is to look up the more high-profile, tech-savvy reviews of Chungking Express, but ultimately there isn’t much choice regardless. He tinkered with all of them in reverse-engineering his little ‘universe’ or whatever, so if you don’t have the earlier Blu-rays of the four that were released over here prior to that (ITMFL, Chungking, Happy Together, Fallen Angels), or the HK Blu-rays of the first two, and can’t pony up for them now, then you’re kinda stuck with what’s in the box and/or these singles that now appear to be emanating from it. And at this point, there has been so much debate for and against that it’s probably easier just to cave and “be happy you get anything” (which is my takeaway from his fiddling around and then removing the originals from the being re-acquired). Searching ‘Chungking Express Criterion alterations’ brings up an almost unbearable number of discussions, with probably an equal amount of gushing and dismay. Ditto for most of the others. But that’s the era we live in, unfortunately. If he decided to reissue them all looking like Derek Jarman’s Blue, there would absolutely be a substantial contingent claiming they never looked better, it’s the way they were always meant to be, etc.

I avoided the box for years and only sprang for it in the last Criterion sale, mainly for the extras and ‘collected’ presentation, after having signed out a few of the versions in it from the library here, including CE. I’m not into 4K so that’s where they end for me. On the four with pre-existing North American Blu-rays, if the mood hits me I’ll always go with those older discs. I guess at the end of the day, though, his storytelling and the performances by the top HK actors still shine through in all of the variants, especially Chungking Express, so there’s that.

kefrank 01-16-25 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14537611)
Totally agree that the Coppola approach is preferable. :thumbsup:

Best bet is to look up the more high-profile, tech-savvy reviews of Chungking Express, but ultimately there isn’t much choice regardless. He tinkered with all of them in reverse-engineering his little ‘universe’ or whatever, so if you don’t have the earlier Blu-rays of the four that were released over here prior to that (ITMFL, Chungking, Happy Together, Fallen Angels), or the HK Blu-rays of the first two, and can’t pony up for them now, then you’re kinda stuck with what’s in the box and/or these singles that now appear to be emanating from it. And at this point, there has been so much debate for and against that it’s probably easier just to cave and “be happy you get anything” (which is my takeaway from his fiddling around and then removing the originals from the being re-acquired). Searching ‘Chungking Express Criterion alterations’ brings up an almost unbearable number of discussions, with probably an equal amount of gushing and dismay. Ditto for most of the others. But that’s the era we live in, unfortunately. If he decided to reissue them all looking like Derek Jarman’s Blue, there would absolutely be a substantial contingent claiming they never looked better, it’s the way they were always meant to be, etc.

I avoided the box for years and only sprang for it in the last Criterion sale, mainly for the extras and ‘collected’ presentation, after having signed out a few of the versions in it from the library here, including CE. I’m not into 4K so that’s where they end for me. On the four with pre-existing North American Blu-rays, if the mood hits me I’ll always go with those discs. I guess at the end of the day, though, his storytelling and the performances by the top HK actors still shine through in all of the variants, especially Chungking Express, so there’s that.

This is somewhat of an aside since it doesn't apply to discs you can purchase, but on the Criterion Channel, for In the Mood for Love, there's an "alternate version" you can stream which is "the 2000 theatrical version of In the Mood for Love in its original color." It shows up as an extra in the In the Mood for Love collection on the streaming service. The same thing is true for Chungking Express, Fallen Angels, Happy Together, and Days of Being Wild. (2046 is not currently on the service.) It's frustrating that those are not on the discs in the box set, but at least they are available to stream still.

DJariya 01-16-25 02:22 PM

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I've been wanting to see Anora, but I don't want to blow $25 on a blind buy. I'm beyond those days of spending money like that. Hopefully it comes on a subscription service I have so I can see it 1st. Wasn't able to see it in the theater.

Brian T 01-16-25 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 14537629)
It's frustrating that those are not on the discs in the box set, but at least they are available to stream still.

Good to know they haven’t been completely mothballed, but yeah it would be even better if disc aficionados could have the same option without breaking the bank buying the older ones. I presume Wong was ok with that. Maybe even he realized the ‘debate’ he created was too strong to just lock the original versions away.

dex14 01-16-25 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14537647)
I've been wanting to see Anora, but I don't want to blow $25 on a blind buy. I'm beyond those days of spending money like that. Hopefully it comes on a subscription service I have so I can see it 1st. Wasn't able to see it in the theater.

It’s Neon so it’ll be on Hulu.

bluetoast 01-16-25 03:17 PM

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I'm good on Chungking, my paper sleeve Blu-ray isn't going anywhere. I've been buying digital more these days, so Anora is in the Apple library now. That was worth the blind buy. I'm assuming Some Like It Hot is probably an obvious blind buy.

Mondo Kane 01-16-25 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 14537679)
It’s Neon so it’ll be on Hulu.

Titane, which was also a NEON hit at Cannes, didn't waste much time appearing on Hulu compared to this one. Hopefully, this will appear there prior to The Oscars!

Why So Blu? 01-16-25 04:54 PM

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Already have Some Like It Hot on 4K -- paid $7.99 for it when Kino had their OOP sale a few weeks ago, along with a few other 4K titles that I'm sure CC is getting back again. They'll be the same transfers, too.


I will get Anora but in a 50% off sale.

Brian T 01-16-25 05:03 PM

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Nice. :thumbsup:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...d74749abd.jpeg

(and an obvious nod to Franco and Miranda being mentioned in the closing credits)


rocket1312 01-16-25 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14537647)
I've been wanting to see Anora, but I don't want to blow $25 on a blind buy. I'm beyond those days of spending money like that. Hopefully it comes on a subscription service I have so I can see it 1st. Wasn't able to see it in the theater.

It seems to be popping back up at theaters around me. I have to imagine it'll be playing in the coming weeks in LA.

asianxcore 01-16-25 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PerryD (Post 14537017)
So excited for Anora, that'll be a treat in 4K

Love the Soledad Miranda & Jess Franco tribute for the cover of Anora (2024).

Can't wait for the 4K!

Josh Z 01-17-25 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14537611)
Best bet is to look up the more high-profile, tech-savvy reviews of Chungking Express, but ultimately there isn’t much choice regardless. He tinkered with all of them in reverse-engineering his little ‘universe’ or whatever, so if you don’t have the earlier Blu-rays of the four that were released over here prior to that (ITMFL, Chungking, Happy Together, Fallen Angels), or the HK Blu-rays of the first two, and can’t pony up for them now, then you’re kinda stuck with what’s in the box and/or these singles that now appear to be emanating from it. And at this point, there has been so much debate for and against that it’s probably easier just to cave and “be happy you get anything” (which is my takeaway from his fiddling around and then removing the originals from the being re-acquired). Searching ‘Chungking Express Criterion alterations’ brings up an almost unbearable number of discussions, with probably an equal amount of gushing and dismay. Ditto for most of the others. But that’s the era we live in, unfortunately. If he decided to reissue them all looking like Derek Jarman’s Blue, there would absolutely be a substantial contingent claiming they never looked better, it’s the way they were always meant to be, etc.

Refresh my memory. Was the first Criterion Blu-ray release - the one in the cardboard digipak that was a Criterion Blu-ray launch title - the altered version of the film, or did that all happen later?

bluetoast 01-17-25 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 14538036)
Refresh my memory. Was the first Criterion Blu-ray release - the one in the cardboard digipak that was a Criterion Blu-ray launch title - the altered version of the film, or did that all happen later?

That happened later.

Paff 01-17-25 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 14537743)
Already have Some Like It Hot on 4K -- paid $7.99 for it when Kino had their OOP sale a few weeks ago, along with a few other 4K titles that I'm sure CC is getting back again. They'll be the same transfers, too.


I will get Anora but in a 50% off sale.

Between Criterion flash sales and Barnes & Nobles' sales, does anyone not wait for a 50% off sale before buying a Criterion title? They're not limited like other boutique labels, there's no reason to ever pay more for a Criterion disc.

Brian T 01-17-25 11:52 AM

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I also recall the earlier CHUNGKING EXPRESS getting a replacement plastic case because those cardboard cases were kind of a bad idea. I remember mine came damaged, as did another of those early Blu-rays, and Criterion ended up sending plastic cases at some point. I’m assuming replacements were offered for other titles in that early run, too. So if you’re more keen on the older, unadulterated version of the movie, it might be worth comparison shopping to know which packaging you’re getting.

dex14 01-17-25 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paff (Post 14538062)
does anyone not wait for a 50% off sale before buying a Criterion title?

There are... just take a look at the "last Blu-ray you bought" thread. Or those "Day 1" types.
I don't get it.

flansered 01-17-25 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14538069)
I also recall the earlier CHUNGKING EXPRESS getting a replacement plastic case because those cardboard cases were kind of a bad idea. I remember mine came damaged, as did another of those early Blu-rays, and Criterion ended up sending plastic cases at some point. I’m assuming replacements were offered for other titles in that early run, too. So if you’re more keen on the older, unadulterated version of the movie, it might be worth comparison shopping to know which packaging you’re getting.

They offered replacement cases for all the early blu-ray releases for like $5 or something, and I am kind of kicking myself for not getting the alternate cases for my copies of The Last Emperor, The Third Man, and The Man Who Fell to Earth.

DJariya 01-17-25 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14537803)
It seems to be popping back up at theaters around me. I have to imagine it'll be playing in the coming weeks in LA.

Thanks. I reserved a matinee screening next week. My local AMC is showing one afternoon showing per day at least through next Wednesday.

Adam Tyner 01-17-25 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paff (Post 14538062)
They're not limited like other boutique labels, there's no reason to ever pay more for a Criterion disc.

Sometimes prices get close enough to 50% off that I can see not waiting, like No Country for Old Men (UHD) at $27.99. I would pay the usual $34.99 for Godzilla vs. Biollante, but it’s a March release and may coincide with a flash sale anyway. :p

milo bloom 01-18-25 08:00 PM

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Yeah, I can wait for a sale to get Biollante since I was lucky enough to grab that Blu-ray that was out a while back.

If I didn’t have that, I might consider getting it outside of the 50% sale if I could find some kind of deal. I certainly wouldn’t pay MSRP.


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