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slop101 04-15-20 02:11 PM

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Their DVD cover of Lady Eve, which uses the original poster, is SO MUCH better...

https://s3.amazonaws.com/criterion-p...Et0H_large.jpg

rocket1312 04-15-20 07:44 PM

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Agreed. The same was true of Sullivan's Travels.

Hazel Motes 04-15-20 09:11 PM

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Preston Sturges and Noah Baumbach for me. I prefer the original Lady Eve artwork as well, but I'm just happy for the upgrade.

asianxcore 04-16-20 11:20 AM

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Definitely will be picking up Marriage Story.

LorenzoL 04-18-20 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13724328)
Their DVD cover of Lady Eve, which uses the original poster, is SO MUCH better...


Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13724592)
Agreed. The same was true of Sullivan's Travels.


Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13724641)
Preston Sturges and Noah Baumbach for me. I prefer the original Lady Eve artwork as well, but I'm just happy for the upgrade.

I can see why Criterion changed the cover for Lady Eve as they are using their own stylized cover versions for the Blu-rays similar to what they have done for other releases instead of the movie poster like in the DVD version. It doesn't mean that I think its better but I understand their strategy.

EinCB 04-21-20 12:28 PM

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slop101 04-21-20 01:49 PM

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OMG! A Bunuel box-set of his Mexican films would be a dream come true!

OldBoy 04-22-20 10:26 PM

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How’s Army of Shadows
all around? Why would the same edition go out of print, then back years later?

rocket1312 04-23-20 07:41 AM

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It went out of print because they lost the rights. Then they got the rights back.

The movie is an all time great. One of, if not the best movie made about the French resistance in WWII.

Ringmaster 04-23-20 10:03 AM

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I tracked down Army of Shadows a few years ago and was sorely disappointed with it. I had high expectations for it and they weren't met from what I remember.

I sold it on eBay and got my money back. Gonna have to watch it again to see if I would repurchase it.

Lipid 04-27-20 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster (Post 13728680)
I tracked down Army of Shadows a few years ago and was sorely disappointed with it. I had high expectations for it and they weren't met from what I remember.

I sold it on eBay and got my money back. Gonna have to watch it again to see if I would repurchase it.

Agreed. I've seen it about 2-3 times, once on the big screen, and it's a very disappointing film. Melville made better pictures and this is a slooow moving film. I liked it the more times I saw it, but I would never encourage anyone to pay a lot of money for it, let alone more than the cost of a movie ticket.

rocket1312 04-27-20 07:38 PM

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Well, I guess we know who the two are.

Norm de Plume 04-27-20 08:45 PM

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Make that three. It's a fairly good film, and stars one of my fave actors in Lino Ventura, but it's far from a masterpiece. I haven't seen it recently enough to be more specific.

Paul_SD 04-28-20 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster (Post 13728680)
I tracked down Army of Shadows a few years ago and was sorely disappointed with it. I had high expectations for it and they weren't met from what I remember.

I sold it on eBay and got my money back. Gonna have to watch it again to see if I would repurchase it.


What were your expectations for it?

It wasn't on my radar up until a few week ago, but when I heard it was a more realistic portrayal of what the conditions were like working in the French resistance it shot up to the top of my Criterion want list.
Based on that, I'm expecting more of a tamped down, psychological style thriller, than any kind of action movie. Betrayal, threat of exposure, psychological cat and mouse...that kind of stuff.

How off base am I?

rocket1312 04-28-20 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_SD (Post 13731710)
What were your expectations for it?

It wasn't on my radar up until a few week ago, but when I heard it was a more realistic portrayal of what the conditions were like working in the French resistance it shot up to the top of my Criterion want list.
Based on that, I'm expecting more of a tamped down, psychological style thriller, than any kind of action movie. Betrayal, threat of exposure, psychological cat and mouse...that kind of stuff.

How off base am I?

That's pretty close to the mark. It's dark and fatalistic, but without the "cool gangster" sheen that some of Melville's other films have. The violence isn't necessarily any more graphic than his others, but it's more brutal and dehumanizing. It's also far more personal. I'm a huge Melville fan and I think it's his greatest accomplishment. It doesn't have the same genre appeal as something like Le Samourai or Le Cercle Rouge, but I think it's a richer experience.

DJariya 04-29-20 02:19 PM

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The Bruce Lee set went down to about $91 and change for anyone who has to have it now.


OldBoy 04-29-20 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13728606)
It went out of print because they lost the rights. Then they got the rights back.

The movie is an all time great. One of, if not the best movie made about the French resistance in WWII.

just got it. Sooner much rather than later. Know I won’t, but hope I can pop this is when I’m in the mood. Got to be in the mood. Right now, I feeling Beverly Hills Cop.

dex14 04-29-20 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 13732651)
The Bruce Lee set went down to about $91 and change for anyone who has to have it now.

But they can’t have it now. It will come out during (pending any changes due to current events) a 50% off B&N sale and will be $30 cheaper.

Goonies85 05-04-20 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13732878)
just got it. Sooner much rather than later. Know I won’t, but hope I can pop this is when I’m in the mood. Got to be in the mood. Right now, I feeling Beverly Hills Cop.

I love almost all Melville and will still argue that this is one of his best. But given his catalogue, that's a tall order...He just released so many great movies it's hard to pick out a favorite...But if you're any sort of history fan you'll love it...Really compelling, and authentic...

Ringmaster 05-05-20 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13732878)
just got it. Sooner much rather than later. Know I won’t, but hope I can pop this is when I’m in the mood. Got to be in the mood. Right now, I feeling Beverly Hills Cop.

Let us know what you think after you watch Army of Shadows.

OldBoy 05-05-20 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ringmaster (Post 13735785)
Let us know what you think after you watch Army of Shadows.

may take a bit, but i will try to put it near top of pile. also, got to see Paths of Glory again...

Dan 05-11-20 12:16 PM

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Agnès Varda box set coming in August. Includes 39 features, shorts, and documentaries. Seems to be her entire filmography. :up:


Paul_SD 05-11-20 01:13 PM

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Someone sell me on Varda, a filmmaker I have always heard about but never seen or even read up on.

Ringmaster 05-12-20 08:45 AM

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I'm surprised Criterion hasn't done a Kurosawa Box set yet ala Bergman. I would buy that in a heart beat.

As for the Agnes box set, I'm not much help but it would be half off at B&N in November if the sales don't change.

Dan 05-12-20 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_SD (Post 13739555)
Someone sell me on Varda, a filmmaker I have always heard about but never seen or even read up on.

I haven't seen any of her work, but I'm always happy to see Criterion do these box sets. I just wish they'd take size and shape into account a bit more :D
It looks like this one might be roughly the same size as the Bergman set (which I'm ~60% through, and am thoroughly enjoying, despite having only seen two of his films before diving into it).


Originally Posted by Ringmaster (Post 13740006)
I'm surprised Criterion hasn't done a Kurosawa Box set yet ala Bergman. I would buy that in a heart beat.

They did the AK100 set, but it was DVD only. It desperately needs a Blu-ray version, and I'd gladly swap out my entire Kurosawa collection for a nice BD set. It's the only reason I haven't bought some of the titles I'm missing.

slop101 05-12-20 10:19 AM

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If Criterion does do a Kurosawa blu-ray box, I hope they can get back the rights for a couple of the movies they lost, like Ran.

milo bloom 05-12-20 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13740057)
If Criterion does do a Kurosawa blu-ray box, I hope they can get back the rights for a couple of the movies they lost, like Ran.

Am I crazy or do I remember seeing the actual packaging for a Bluray reissue of Ran from Criterion but it never came out?

Coral 05-12-20 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_SD (Post 13739555)
Someone sell me on Varda, a filmmaker I have always heard about but never seen or even read up on.

Cléo from 5 to 7 is a classic and is great, and Vagabond is really good.
But you may find they don't have a lot of replay value - which is really the toughest part nowadays about selling a movie to someone.

I always recommend watching before buying.

andicus 05-12-20 11:33 AM

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Yeah, I thought Vagabond was good. I won't say I 'enjoyed' it, as it wasn't particularly pleasant, but it was worth watching.

I'll be checking out more of her work on the Criterion streaming service.

Dan 05-12-20 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 13740057)
If Criterion does do a Kurosawa blu-ray box, I hope they can get back the rights for a couple of the movies they lost, like Ran.

I believe they did so with the Bergman, Godzilla, and... maybe one or two other sets, where a handful of titles were licensed to be in the set, but not individual release. It's entirely possible, and I hope they can do it. A "complete" set would be phenomenal.

Dan 05-12-20 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milo bloom (Post 13740098)
Am I crazy or do I remember seeing the actual packaging for a Bluray reissue of Ran from Criterion but it never came out?

I recall they had a release in the works, but then another label snagged the rights... not sure how accurate that is. Sounds similar to what was going on with Lost Highway...

But with enough time passing, those rights could be re-negotiated.

rocket1312 05-12-20 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 13740137)
I recall they had a release in the works, but then another label snagged the rights... not sure how accurate that is. Sounds similar to what was going on with Lost Highway...

But with enough time passing, those rights could be re-negotiated.

Criterion licensed Ran from Studio Canal, but right as they were about to release the Blu Ray, Studio Canal made a deal with Lionsgate to distribute their entire catalog. Ran was one of the very few former Criterion titles Lionsgate actually put out on Blu Ray.

In the last year or two Studio Canal has started licensing out titles to boutique labels again, but the scuttlebutt is that they won't give out the rights to anything Lionsgate actually bothered to release. However, given they are back working with Criterion, I could see Studio Canal agreeing to Ran's inclusion in a hypothetical box set even if a solo release is out of the question.

TomOpus 05-15-20 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 13688774)
The Great Escape will be mine on release day. Preordered.

Got it from Amazon a few minutes ago. Initially looks good.

Adam Tyner 05-15-20 11:16 AM

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OldBoy 05-25-20 05:10 PM

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I know Criterion is far beyond the popcorn fluff it churned out on dvd way back, but why can’t they do at least the ones they had? I really want a special edition blu of Armageddon or The Rock for that matter. Guess it’ll never happen, huh?

TheBang 05-25-20 06:19 PM

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The Rock Blu-ray has all the same extras as the Criterion DVD.

OldBoy 05-25-20 08:56 PM

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Well, Armageddon sure doesn’t.

TheBang 05-26-20 03:57 AM

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Hence why I only mentioned The Rock.

Coral 05-26-20 08:06 AM

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I dunno... regardless of the movie itself, I'm still surprised there's enough interest to re-buy a movie in the same format just for the supplements. How often do you actually watch the supplements of a film?
With all the barrage of movies and shows available in a multitude of services and methods, I don't have enough time to re-watch the movie or show itself - nevermind re-watching supplements (or even watching the supplements the first time).

Josh Z 05-26-20 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13747090)
I know Criterion is far beyond the popcorn fluff it churned out on dvd way back, but why can’t they do at least the ones they had?

Because they no longer have the rights to those movies.


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