Wired article - Blu Ray still hasn't taken off
09-04-08, 03:33 PM
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Yeah lets kill the fucking messenger here! I mean this article is worded poorly, but so are 90% of stuff that comes from the "press" The guy was talking about Blu Ray, and the other article that is worded better or at least more fully makes that point relatively undebatable.
You can sit around and debate the message but sticking in your fingers in your ear screaming "na, na, na thats not what he said, na na na" is just ignorant. Those claiming that Mr. Griffiths didnt say that, well guess what - you weren't there. The author of this article was probably there (and if he wasn't the whole article is a fraud) and wrote the damn thing. So that makes him more credible in my book that people dissecting a poorly written article and then using that dissection to prove thats not what the guy said is ridicoulous.
As far as "nothing will be better than Blu Ray in the physical realm", I'm sorry history just proves you wrong. Everytime some company claimed that this was the best you could ever get, they had new better products on the shelves within a few years.
You can sit around and debate the message but sticking in your fingers in your ear screaming "na, na, na thats not what he said, na na na" is just ignorant. Those claiming that Mr. Griffiths didnt say that, well guess what - you weren't there. The author of this article was probably there (and if he wasn't the whole article is a fraud) and wrote the damn thing. So that makes him more credible in my book that people dissecting a poorly written article and then using that dissection to prove thats not what the guy said is ridicoulous.
As far as "nothing will be better than Blu Ray in the physical realm", I'm sorry history just proves you wrong. Everytime some company claimed that this was the best you could ever get, they had new better products on the shelves within a few years.
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09-04-08, 03:41 PM
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Samsung and SONY have been the only two hardware manufacturers to openly point out that OLED will be the technology that would phase out LCD. They are also the two major hardware manufacturers to have heavily invested in the technology, and planning to have it on the market in a very near future (aside from SONY and their offer at the moment). Yes, I believe that the comments addressing the specific time frame pertain to OLED vs. LCD.
I already addressed the paragraph you bolded on another forum but I would not mind clarifying again: if the words were spoken by Mr. Griffiths they would have been quoted as are the rest of the statements in the article - in "...". They are not. Which points only to what I earlier noted, that this is the editor's interpretation of Mr.Griffith's words. As are the rest of the clarifications in the article. Furthermore, Stuart Miles did not conduct an exclusive interview with Mr. Griffiths as it appears that the provided quotes are from a much larger text addressing a multitude of topics. Hence, the reason why both of the article posted in this thread offer their own interpretation of what was announced. Suffice to say, neither of them quote portions of Mr. Griffiths words where the term Blu-ray is present. All of the additions are added by the editors.
If this isn't clear it certainly should be as neither of the articles provide exclusive as a disclaimer. They both rely on secondary transcripts.
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I already addressed the paragraph you bolded on another forum but I would not mind clarifying again: if the words were spoken by Mr. Griffiths they would have been quoted as are the rest of the statements in the article - in "...". They are not. Which points only to what I earlier noted, that this is the editor's interpretation of Mr.Griffith's words. As are the rest of the clarifications in the article. Furthermore, Stuart Miles did not conduct an exclusive interview with Mr. Griffiths as it appears that the provided quotes are from a much larger text addressing a multitude of topics. Hence, the reason why both of the article posted in this thread offer their own interpretation of what was announced. Suffice to say, neither of them quote portions of Mr. Griffiths words where the term Blu-ray is present. All of the additions are added by the editors.
If this isn't clear it certainly should be as neither of the articles provide exclusive as a disclaimer. They both rely on secondary transcripts.
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Had this same comment been written about VOD, you'd be celebrating in the streets. And if a retraction came, you'd ignore it, and continue to quote him for years and years.
I think we are all in agreement that BD won't fade after five years. I don;t think there is anyone here who has said they agree with him. It has sparked some thought provoking conversation, however, far better than "What BD are you getting on your Birthday."
However, whether YOU like it or not, an article that quotes an exec at one of the backbone companies in the format as saying that the format only has five years of life is news. You wishing that he is being misquoted does not negate its existence.
Could he have been misquoted? Yes. Absolutely. If so we'll likely see a retraction.
So go make a retraction happen. Stop spreading FUD about the author. If HE lied, then call HIM out and prove it. Otherwise you are just being ridiculous, and in fact you are doing exactly what you are accusing him of. Spare us the histrionics until there is some proof. Until then we can discuss this as if it is true, and discuss it more if potential corrections are made.
09-04-08, 03:50 PM
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I'd also love for someone here to tell me what physical media in 5 years is going to replace BD.
Sony, Panasonic, and other manufacturers have invested heavily into BD. It took 5-6 years of development before the format made it to store shelves. Does anyone here really think they're working on yet another format that will start launching in 2013-2014? And if so, what is it going to offer that BD doesn't? 1080p is going to be here for quite some time.
Sony, Panasonic, and other manufacturers have invested heavily into BD. It took 5-6 years of development before the format made it to store shelves. Does anyone here really think they're working on yet another format that will start launching in 2013-2014? And if so, what is it going to offer that BD doesn't? 1080p is going to be here for quite some time.
See how BD, or more to the point, physical media disrupts the "digital center" approach they are going for? Samsung is heavily into the computer component market. They manufacture hard disc drives, which are crucial for this type of thing. They have no stake in the media sold, just in what it is played on. It does not shock me that they may be hedging their bets and planning for a post physical media world.
Are they right? Who knows. A smart company positions themselves for the future. For the next big thing. Who knows what will happen.
09-04-08, 04:05 PM
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If that's what they wanted, why did the studios demand such hardcore software and hardware lockdown before they would license HD support to PCs? Streaming Blu-Ray servers over Gig-E should be relatively inexpensive and plentiful, like they are with regular DVDs, yet they are not.
09-04-08, 04:08 PM
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My god man. You are just so unbelievable, rabidly, over-the-top in your defense of the format. "This says something not positive about BD. We must hang the bastard author's family." Cripes.
Had this same comment been written about VOD, you'd be celebrating in the streets. And if a retraction came, you'd ignore it, and continue to quote him for years and years.
I think we are all in agreement that BD won't fade after five years. I don;t think there is anyone here who has said they agree with him. It has sparked some thought provoking conversation, however, far better than "What BD are you getting on your Birthday."
However, whether YOU like it or not, an article that quotes an exec at one of the backbone companies in the format as saying that the format only has five years of life is news. You wishing that he is being misquoted does not negate its existence.
Could he have been misquoted? Yes. Absolutely. If so we'll likely see a retraction.
So go make a retraction happen. Stop spreading FUD about the author. If HE lied, then call HIM out and prove it. Otherwise you are just being ridiculous, and in fact you are doing exactly what you are accusing him of. Spare us the histrionics until there is some proof. Until then we can discuss this as if it is true, and discuss it more if potential corrections are made.
Had this same comment been written about VOD, you'd be celebrating in the streets. And if a retraction came, you'd ignore it, and continue to quote him for years and years.
I think we are all in agreement that BD won't fade after five years. I don;t think there is anyone here who has said they agree with him. It has sparked some thought provoking conversation, however, far better than "What BD are you getting on your Birthday."
However, whether YOU like it or not, an article that quotes an exec at one of the backbone companies in the format as saying that the format only has five years of life is news. You wishing that he is being misquoted does not negate its existence.
Could he have been misquoted? Yes. Absolutely. If so we'll likely see a retraction.
So go make a retraction happen. Stop spreading FUD about the author. If HE lied, then call HIM out and prove it. Otherwise you are just being ridiculous, and in fact you are doing exactly what you are accusing him of. Spare us the histrionics until there is some proof. Until then we can discuss this as if it is true, and discuss it more if potential corrections are made.
09-04-08, 04:36 PM
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VOD isn't a dirty word, and it will have a solid place in the future. But, just because you think it will render all physical media obsolete doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with that opinion is somehow irrational.
I see myself getting into VOD when it is affordable and widely available enough, but it isn't going to stop me from buying titles on Blu-ray. One is a rental medium, the other a collector medium.
09-04-08, 05:26 PM
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09-04-08, 05:27 PM
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Samsung and SONY have been the only two hardware manufacturers to openly point out that OLED will be the technology that would phase out LCD. They are also the two major hardware manufacturers to have heavily invested in the technology, and planning to have it on the market in a very near future (aside from SONY and their offer at the moment). Yes, I believe that the comments addressing the specific time frame pertain to OLED vs. LCD.
I already addressed the paragraph you bolded on another forum but I would not mind clarifying again: if the words were spoken by Mr. Griffiths they would have been quoted as are the rest of the statements in the article - in "...". They are not. Which points only to what I earlier noted, that this is the editor's interpretation of Mr.Griffith's words. As are the rest of the clarifications in the article. Furthermore, Stuart Miles did not conduct an exclusive interview with Mr. Griffiths as it appears that the provided quotes are from a much larger text addressing a multitude of topics. Hence, the reason why both of the article posted in this thread offer their own interpretation of what was announced. Suffice to say, neither of them quote portions of Mr. Griffiths words where the term Blu-ray is present. All of the additions are added by the editors.
If this isn't clear it certainly should be as neither of the articles provide exclusive as a disclaimer. They both rely on secondary transcripts.
Ciao,
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I already addressed the paragraph you bolded on another forum but I would not mind clarifying again: if the words were spoken by Mr. Griffiths they would have been quoted as are the rest of the statements in the article - in "...". They are not. Which points only to what I earlier noted, that this is the editor's interpretation of Mr.Griffith's words. As are the rest of the clarifications in the article. Furthermore, Stuart Miles did not conduct an exclusive interview with Mr. Griffiths as it appears that the provided quotes are from a much larger text addressing a multitude of topics. Hence, the reason why both of the article posted in this thread offer their own interpretation of what was announced. Suffice to say, neither of them quote portions of Mr. Griffiths words where the term Blu-ray is present. All of the additions are added by the editors.
If this isn't clear it certainly should be as neither of the articles provide exclusive as a disclaimer. They both rely on secondary transcripts.
Ciao,
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Quotes are only necessary when you repeat the exact same thing. But sometimes people are needlessly wordy or things aren't as clear on the page as they are in person or they make a grammatical error, so that's why writers sometimes paraphrase what was said, in which case there should be NO quotation marks. This is common practice and can be found at any newspaper, from The New York Times on down to local weekly newspapers. It's not something sinister; it's not something that automatically indicates a hidden agenda. It might just mean that this guy who said it doesn't know how to say things in a clear, concise manner, requiring the writer to give a little assistance.
09-04-08, 05:46 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but while i'm sure big mistakes like this occur quite frequently and gone "to print," the likelyhood that the author of the article on what looks to be a tech site would mix up something as big as what Blu-ray is versus LCD and OLED is a pretty big stretch. Just seems odd to jump to that conclusion.
09-04-08, 07:39 PM
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09-04-08, 08:23 PM
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In fives years, not even being as optimistic as Kryder's law, I'm thinking that $250 will purchase 8TBs, thats plenty of space for 200+ blu-ray movies. This physical media stuff is going to be significantly less convenient than mass storage at some point... 5 years, who knows. 10... likely, I'm thinking.
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09-04-08, 08:37 PM
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I suspect physical media will stick around for a long time. But, WOW having a large library of SD movies on a hard drive is cheaper than ever these days. $175ish for 1TB drive (going lower everyday). That's 150-160 SD movies (or more if you wanna trim some).
In fives years, not even being as optimistic as Kryder's law, I'm thinking that $250 will purchase 8TBs, thats plenty of space for 200+ blu-ray movies. This physical media stuff is going to be significantly less convenient than mass storage at some point... 5 years, who knows. 10... likely, I'm thinking.
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In fives years, not even being as optimistic as Kryder's law, I'm thinking that $250 will purchase 8TBs, thats plenty of space for 200+ blu-ray movies. This physical media stuff is going to be significantly less convenient than mass storage at some point... 5 years, who knows. 10... likely, I'm thinking.
-beebs
My ideal world is one where "bare bones" HD editions of movies exist on the server of my chosen "rental" agency such as Netflix, and by subscribing to a monthly membership service for a price similar to what Netflix currently charges for DVD rentals, I can download any movie to watch, but perhaps be limited to having X number of movies stored locally at any one time, or X movies downloaded per week/month, maybe with the ability to exceed my limit with a per-movie additional charge. Then for movies I want to own, nice editions are available for purchase on Blu-ray (and I only specify Blu-ray because it is what is here, now, and it does what I want/need it to do), complete with commentaries, deleted scenes, documentaries, and the like, just as they are today (only preferably cheaper
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09-04-08, 08:46 PM
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This is what I picture when I think of VOD in the future. Not necessarily the 'bare bones' aspect exactly -- I can see that going either way -- but I don't think it'll rely on persistent, local storage.
09-04-08, 09:25 PM
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09-04-08, 10:00 PM
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Personally I'm not interested in storing anything on hard drives - too much chance for failure. Now if something like flash memory was available in TB's for a similar price I might look into that, but I suspect that's a little farther off.
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09-04-08, 10:36 PM
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Case in point, (even though it's DVD and not BD, the analogy still holds), my recent acquisition of the complete Get Smart series on DVD is one of the prizes of my collection. I've only scratched the surface of the special features, and it will take quite a while to go through them all, but since I have the whole set, I can take my time and enjoy each feature completely. No need to worry about freeing up space for something else in my account somewhere.
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09-04-08, 11:05 PM
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In comparison to DVD in its early days, Blu-ray is a big yawn. It doesn't offer the big boost in convenience over DVD that the latter did over VHS, the selection of titles is limited (largely to those catering to the PS3 demographic, males under 30), and its quality edge over its predecessor is not especially noticeable except with large screens and expensive sound systems.
09-04-08, 11:32 PM
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Reading through the comments, not sure where the confusion has come from about OLED replacing Blu-ray.
The interview with Andy was a wide reaching one covering a number of topics, OLED and Blu-ray as well as many others.
What I've tried to convey in the interview is that Samsung, a company that covers many areas, thinks OLED will replace LCD, Blu-ray has nothing to do with that element of the article.
Stuart Miles, United Kingdom
The interview with Andy was a wide reaching one covering a number of topics, OLED and Blu-ray as well as many others.
What I've tried to convey in the interview is that Samsung, a company that covers many areas, thinks OLED will replace LCD, Blu-ray has nothing to do with that element of the article.
Stuart Miles, United Kingdom
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09-05-08, 02:09 AM
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Has nothing to do with that element of the article. But the beginning of the article clearly states that Samsung thinks that Blu-ray has a five-year lifespan. Any other reading of the article is either a gross misunderstanding or a willful distortion of what has been written.
09-05-08, 02:39 AM
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VOD sounds good on paper, but where is the bandwidth going to come from?
Comcast?
Comcast?
09-05-08, 04:26 AM
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A year and a half after its debut, a spokesman for a large e-tailer (Reel.com?) described the demand for DVD as "insatiable." The universal complaint about DVD was that there weren't enough titles available, not the prices.
In comparison to DVD in its early days, Blu-ray is a big yawn. It doesn't offer the big boost in convenience over DVD that the latter did over VHS, the selection of titles is limited (largely to those catering to the PS3 demographic, males under 30), and its quality edge over its predecessor is not especially noticeable except with large screens and expensive sound systems.
In comparison to DVD in its early days, Blu-ray is a big yawn. It doesn't offer the big boost in convenience over DVD that the latter did over VHS, the selection of titles is limited (largely to those catering to the PS3 demographic, males under 30), and its quality edge over its predecessor is not especially noticeable except with large screens and expensive sound systems.
09-05-08, 06:59 AM
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http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...advdsales.html
DVD Player sales jumped from a bit over 1 MM to 4 MM between 1998 and 1999
And this didn't include a video game player that could double as a DVD player. The PS2 didn't launch until Oct. 2000..so this jump between 97 and 99 was purely standalones.
09-05-08, 07:26 AM
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The guy didn't deny what he said about Blu Ray and the 5 year thing...and thats what got you so worked up - wasn't it????
09-05-08, 07:36 AM
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