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steebo777 12-11-08 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Moopher (Post 9126791)
I'm guessing everyone's experience is going to be different, for whatever reasons..

Probably due to how each TV/PJ is calibrated causes different experiences for people.

DthRdrX 12-11-08 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Moopher (Post 9126791)
I'm guessing everyone's experience is going to be different, for whatever reasons..

Differences in technologies plays a key part. I'm using an older Lcd projector with a Dalite Hi-power screen. Therefore, I have lower black levels than most and the problems with the darkened picture easily jump out at me.

At 106 inches edge enhancement looks terrible regardless of the title. I'll watch the movie over later tonight on a smaller set and see what I think.

Moopher 12-11-08 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 9126818)

At 106 inches edge enhancement looks terrible regardless of the title. I'll watch the movie over later tonight on a smaller set and see what I think.

I can wholeheartedly agree with that, however, in not seeing any flaws in the presentation, I also do not see any EE either.

Moopher 12-11-08 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by steebo777 (Post 9126810)
Probably due to how each TV/PJ is calibrated causes different experiences for people.

I assume that's the major reason as well. I think some people (not that I see it in this forum that often) just over analyze and tend to "wreck" it for themselves.

matrixrok9 12-11-08 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Moopher (Post 9126694)
I found that the movie looked fantastic, both times since i've brought it home, had literally no gripes at all in it's presentation. Watched it on my 50" Samsung through a PS3.

Watched it at friend's 32" (4 x 3) Sanyo HDTV and I couldn't see the edge enhancements and everything looked sharp. It didn't look too dark.

Watched it again on my 30" Sony HDTV and I saw the edge enhancements and some parts looked really soft. Also, some parts looked pretty dark.

Both used PS3 through HDMI. I'm confused.

LickTheABCs 12-11-08 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Moopher (Post 9126840)
I assume that's the major reason as well. I think some people (not that I see it in this forum that often) just over analyze and tend to "wreck" it for themselves.

I went in telling myself that I wasn't going to give a shit. I figured it the internet talk was just hyperbole. The fact that it came from AVS didn't help that fact in the least. But by the time it got to the "pencil trick" I was having flashbacks to Gangs of NY. Which to this day is one of the worst transfers I've seen on Blu. or HD-DVD for that matter.

Now, I'm not saying this transfer is one of the worst. It surely has it's moments, but I'm not going to clean my shorts because the IMAX footage is fantastic. I expected it too. I'm talking about the 80% of the flick shot in 35mm.

Moopher 12-11-08 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by LickTheABCs (Post 9126958)
I went in telling myself that I wasn't going to give a shit. I figured it the internet talk was just hyperbole. The fact that it came from AVS didn't help that fact in the least. But by the time it got to the "pencil trick" I was having flashbacks to Gangs of NY. Which to this day is one of the worst transfers I've seen on Blu. or HD-DVD for that matter.

Now, I'm not saying this transfer is one of the worst. It surely has it's moments, but I'm not going to clean my shorts because the IMAX footage is fantastic. I expected it too. I'm talking about the 80% of the flick shot in 35mm.

I'm talking about the entire movie, not the 20%, not the 80%. I honestly found no flaws, personally.

Like I said, everyone's experience must be different, technology-related or otherwise.

bluetoast 12-11-08 03:57 PM

Registered for the Nolan Q&A!

Brent L 12-11-08 04:01 PM

I got the email and signed up for the Q&A also. Should be cool!

TheMovieman 12-11-08 04:09 PM

Damn, wish I had my memory card in my player now... Slots will probably be filled by the time I get it.

Quake1028 12-11-08 05:48 PM

Some people are just able to see EE better, or it bothers them more than others. That's what I would assume.

Gizmo 12-11-08 06:35 PM

I'll sign up when I get home I guess...

Arthur Dent 12-11-08 06:46 PM

Why am I not getting this email?! :(

MichaelMeyers 12-11-08 06:50 PM

Just signed up the the Nolan Q&A couldn't do it through the e-mail link but was able to do it through the site directly

NiCK Crush 12-11-08 07:04 PM

I hope a transcript of the Q&A turns up...

LickTheABCs 12-11-08 07:08 PM

I asked about the EE. Something tells me the question won't be asked.

clckworang 12-11-08 10:59 PM

So all you have to do to be in the running for the BD-Live event is create a profile and log in on your BD player?

I'm sure I'm way too late, but worth a shot.

Willh51 12-11-08 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by LickTheABCs (Post 9127450)
I asked about the EE. Something tells me the question won't be asked.

Fact. And neither will mine about his thoughts on some people making fun of the "bat voice."

clckworang 12-11-08 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by Willh51 (Post 9127892)
Fact. And neither will mine about his thoughts on some people making fun of the "bat voice."

:lol: I have to confess that I laugh at the Bat voice!

clckworang 12-12-08 01:27 AM

I wanted to add that I received my invitation and have already RSVP'd for the Live event.

100,000 spots doesn't seem like a lot; I was surprised that I was accepted. I guess it's nice to be among the early adopters. ;)

bluetoast 12-12-08 10:39 AM

Well, around 600K BDs fo TDK were sold on the first day (or first few days). Of those, I doubt a lot of them have BD-Live capable players, so for now, I'm guessing there are going to be plenty of open slots.

As for people who didn't get the email...did you uncheck the "alert me to special events" thing when you signed up for the BD Live?

Qui Gon Jim 12-12-08 10:49 AM

I'm a touch disappointed with this, but I love this film so much, this release, though flawed, will hold me over until the corrections are made, whenever that may be.

Snowmaker 12-12-08 10:50 AM

Can someone post a picture of what the edge enhancement looks like? I'm still rather new to the HDTV scene and have yet to see what it looks like.

Doctorossi 12-12-08 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker (Post 9128659)
Can someone post a picture of what the edge enhancement looks like? I'm still rather new to the HDTV scene and have yet to see what it looks like.

Maybe you should do some searching? Many pictures have already been posted.

Josh Z 12-12-08 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker (Post 9128659)
Can someone post a picture of what the edge enhancement looks like? I'm still rather new to the HDTV scene and have yet to see what it looks like.

If you mean that you need to know what edge enhancement is, see this page:

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

gryffinmaster 12-12-08 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker (Post 9128659)
Can someone post a picture of what the edge enhancement looks like? I'm still rather new to the HDTV scene and have yet to see what it looks like.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9125108-post184.html

Look at the legs of the police officers. That's where it's most noticeable in that shot.

PopcornTreeCt 12-12-08 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by gryffinmaster (Post 9129110)
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9125108-post184.html

Look at the legs of the police officers. That's where it's most noticeable in that shot.

What are we supposed to be looking for? I don't notice anything other than big difference in coloring.

bunkaroo 12-12-08 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 9129260)
What are we supposed to be looking for? I don't notice anything other than big difference in coloring.

Look at the glowing outlines around their legs.

LickTheABCs 12-12-08 02:29 PM

This one is much easier to see. Just be warned, after you see it the first time you'll probably see it in every freakin' movie you watch from now on. So, if I were you, I'd not even bother..

EDIT: It's in the second picture. Well, it's in both, but the second picture is the Blu-ray.

RichC2 12-12-08 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by LickTheABCs (Post 9129375)
This one is much easier to see. Just be warned, after you see it the first time you'll probably see it in every freakin' movie you watch from now on. So, if I were you, I'd not even bother..

EDIT: It's in the second picture. Well, it's in both, but the second picture is the Blu-ray.

Wow, the Blu really pisses all over the DVD.

EE isn't that annoying, just unnecessary.

steebo777 12-12-08 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by matrixrok9 (Post 9126953)
Watched it at friend's 32" (4 x 3) Sanyo HDTV and I couldn't see the edge enhancements and everything looked sharp. It didn't look too dark.

Watched it again on my 30" Sony HDTV and I saw the edge enhancements and some parts looked really soft. Also, some parts looked pretty dark.

Both used PS3 through HDMI. I'm confused.

As I said:

Originally Posted by steebo777
Probably due to how each TV/PJ is calibrated causes different experiences for people.


Moopher 12-12-08 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9129439)
Wow, the Blu really pisses all over the DVD.

EE isn't that annoying, just unnecessary.

Haha and that's why I love Hi-Def.

I can see the difference in screen shots, it just doesnt show up on my set, so maybe that's a good thing?

clckworang 12-12-08 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 9129439)
Wow, the Blu really pisses all over the DVD.

EE isn't that annoying, just unnecessary.

Yeah, those screen grabs really show how superior Blu-ray can be over DVD.

LickTheABCs 12-12-08 03:35 PM

In a way, yes. It proves how superior THIS Blu-ray is over THIS DVD. Again, saying as much about how bloody awful the DVD for this release was.

But yeah, even this EE-riddled transfer is light years ahead of the DVD.

Hammer99 12-12-08 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by steebo777 (Post 9129442)
As I said:


Originally Posted by LickTheABCs (Post 9129375)
This one is much easier to see. Just be warned, after you see it the first time you'll probably see it in every freakin' movie you watch from now on. So, if I were you, I'd not even bother..

EDIT: It's in the second picture. Well, it's in both, but the second picture is the Blu-ray.

Maybe because it's my least favorite part of the film, but I found the EE on close-ups of the ferry passengers to be particularly painful to look at. :down:

Lucky101 12-12-08 07:45 PM

I stop by Target today to see if they had any of the Batpod left...of course sold out, but they did have a raincheck on them for the $46.99 deal. I stop by Best Buy and they had two left. I asked Customer Service if I could get the deal on my Raincheck receipt. She said yes with no problems. My question: I have not opened my Batpod yet...but is it worth it. I was wondering if it just cheap plastic. I like it, but the price with tax was $50. I felt wrong buying it. I want to hear from you guys, if I should return it or keep it because it might be a rare item.. Any input?

RocShemp 12-13-08 07:24 AM

Any site does comparison reviews between BDs released in the US and those released in other Region A friendly countries? I ask because I'm hoping for a Pan's Labrynth situation were the US BD was crap but elsewhere it looked great. I'd gladly import this one if that were the case.

RocShemp 12-13-08 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 9124317)
The most plausible explanation I've heard is that Warner very likely used the IMAX DMR film elements for the Blu-ray transfer. The DMR upconversion process applies heavy DNR and edge enhancement. If that's the case, those artifacts were baked into the film element by the time Warner got it, not something they added themselves.

A better strategy would have been to transfer the 35mm portions of the movie separately from their original elements and then splice them in with the real IMAX footage.

I know what DNR is. But what is DMR? I've seen it mentioned a lot whenever people talkk of IMAX prints and BDs that feature IMAX movies but have no idea what it is.

dsa_shea 12-13-08 09:35 AM

I guess my eyes can't pick up EE because while looking at those screencaps I could see nothing. Remember those 3-D books where if you stared at them long enough you would see another image? Well, I could stare at those things until my eyes bled and only see pain. I looked at those images for quite some time and still can't see the EE. Maybe I'm just lucky to not have my eyes/brain focus on or pick those things up.

WMAangel 12-13-08 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker (Post 9128659)
Can someone post a picture of what the edge enhancement looks like? I'm still rather new to the HDTV scene and have yet to see what it looks like.

FYI, edge enhancement is not something unique to HDTV or Blu-ray Disc...
In fact, MANY standard def DVDs suffer from it far worse, especially some of those early non-anamorphic discs that were simply recycled laserdisc transfers....take a look at the AWFUL "True Lies" disc and you'll see glowing halos around everything....I really wish Fox would hurry up and make a new HD transfer of this one for Blu...


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