HD Talk The place to discuss Blu-ray, 4K and all other forms and formats of HD and HDTV.

Metropolis (KINO)

Old 06-28-08, 10:30 PM
  #26  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Drexl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 15,997
Sadly, they are "cleaning up the blemishes" with DNR on some titles. Check out Patton, The Longest Day, or Face/Off. Robert Harris wrote a piece about it at The Digital Bits: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html
Drexl is offline  
Old 06-30-08, 11:00 AM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 320
been hearing a LOT about this.. I find this VERY disturbing.. So has Blu-ray already moved away from the cinemaphiles? Between cropping (to 1:85), not having all versions on HD that are available on SD (e.g. Die Hard 4), and now DNR messing with the PQ - I am getting less and less anxious to own a BR player.. of course, in my opinion, I am not even sure if there IS a good standalone affordable blu-ray player at this point!
cinemaman is offline  
Old 07-02-08, 06:07 PM
  #28  
Senior Member
 
jackson walker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 404
Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch

Last edited by jackson walker; 07-02-08 at 06:14 PM.
jackson walker is offline  
Old 07-02-08, 08:02 PM
  #29  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 440
Originally Posted by jackson walker
Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
WOW!! Excellent news, thanks for the heads-up!! Now I will wait for complete restoration before I double-dip!
DVD Guy ATL is offline  
Old 07-02-08, 10:08 PM
  #30  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 320
this is truly historic. Never thought I would see the day... now maybe they will get the speed right!
cinemaman is offline  
Old 07-02-08, 11:56 PM
  #31  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Numanoid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Down in 'The Park'
Posts: 27,882
Monumental!
Numanoid is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 04:00 AM
  #32  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
RoboDad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: A far green country
Posts: 5,960
Originally Posted by jackson walker
Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
I hope they get to work ASAP on restoring the lost footage. I now have no interest in seeing any version of the film on Blu-ray other than the complete version. I especially like this comment from the article:
And perhaps the scratches, which will probably remain even after restoration, will have an added advantage: The cinema goer will be reminded of what an exciting history this great film has had.
RoboDad is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 12:30 PM
  #33  
DVD Talk Hero
 
slop101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: So. Cal.
Posts: 39,855
Interesting how they found the print in Buenos Aires, where all old German things seem turn up...
slop101 is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 02:27 PM
  #34  
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 134
I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703

Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
marknyc is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 05:28 PM
  #35  
DVD Talk Reviewer
 
tylergfoster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 6,540
Originally Posted by marknyc
I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703

Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
I guess the impression I get is that they just thought it was a regular print of Metropolis until someone discussed having watched their particular print and explaining that it seemed like a longer film.
tylergfoster is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 06:53 PM
  #36  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,151
Originally Posted by droidguy1119
I guess the impression I get is that they just thought it was a regular print of Metropolis until someone discussed having watched their particular print and explaining that it seemed like a longer film.
Also, it probably didn't get screened very often if they were concerned about the condition of the print.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 07-03-08, 07:05 PM
  #37  
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 134
Yeah, from the articles it seems like the archive's "cinema club" screened it and said, "Gee, this seems longer than the other versions we've seen..." Thank god someone alerted the higher-ups - and thank god for film buffs! Pretty hard to believe they don't even bother to check all the films that are in their archive, even ones they've had for 16 years!
marknyc is offline  
Old 07-04-08, 02:17 PM
  #38  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Posts: 1,483
Here's the story.

Its existence only came to light through a remark heard by chance 20 years ago by Fernando Pena, now a Buenos Aires film museum curator. "I remembered an elderly projectionist at a cinema club complaining, 'It's bad enough I have to show such a poor quality copy of Metropolis , but it's getting hard at my age to stand at the projector for two hours, holding the film to make sure it doesn't spring out.'" Knowing that only the original version of the film was that long, he told his then wife, Paula Félix-Didier, and then forgot about it. When Ms Félix-Didier became head of the Buenos Aires Museo del Cine in January, she went straight to the archive to check its print. "It only took 20 minutes," said Ms Félix-Didier to Germany's Die Zeit newspaper yesterday. "We looked in the index, the archivist got the reels. Fernando held one to the light and said 'Está todo' - it's all there."
evenswr is offline  
Old 07-04-08, 11:38 PM
  #39  
DVD Talk Reviewer
Thread Starter
 
pro-bassoonist's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Blu-ray.com
Posts: 10,380


Originally Posted by RoboDad
I hope they get to work ASAP on restoring the lost footage. I now have no interest in seeing any version of the film on Blu-ray other than the complete version.
Bill Hunt:


All right... we've got one last post for you today, because this just couldn't wait until Monday. We've just heard back from our friends over at Kino International. The good news is that they have officially confirmed that the newly-discovered footage from Fritz Lang's original version of Metropolis (which we mentioned yesterday) WILL be a part of the forthcoming special edition Blu-ray Disc release in 2009. What's more, the new special edition will be released on standard DVD format as well on the same day. Watch for more details on this sure-to-be-amazing release in the weeks and months ahead.
Pro-B

Last edited by pro-bassoonist; 07-04-08 at 11:41 PM.
pro-bassoonist is offline  
Old 07-04-08, 11:42 PM
  #40  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Louisville
Posts: 7,595
Originally Posted by marknyc
I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703

Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
Perhaps they should scrounge that vault to see if a copy of Orson Welles' long rumored but never found original 148 minute version of The Magnificent Ambersons exists.

Last edited by DGibFen; 07-04-08 at 11:45 PM.
DGibFen is offline  
Old 07-05-08, 02:25 AM
  #41  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Living Dead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: The Graveyard
Posts: 3,209
This is amazing news. Metropolis has long been in my top 5 favorite movies. I can't wait to see this!
Living Dead is offline  
Old 07-05-08, 11:10 AM
  #42  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Josh Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,151
Originally Posted by DGibFen
Perhaps they should scrounge that vault to see if a copy of Orson Welles' long rumored but never found original 148 minute version of The Magnificent Ambersons exists.
The difference is that the long version of Metropolis played in Germany for a short time, and hence this print made its way into the hands of private collectors. Ambersons was gutted by the studio before release and never played in its full length. The studio reportedly destroyed the extra footage. It's very doubtful a restored print of that movie will ever be unearthed.

However, Metropolis seemed a lost cause until now as well, so I wouldn't say never.
Josh Z is offline  
Old 07-11-08, 01:38 PM
  #43  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 7,337
Its existence only came to light through a remark heard by chance 20 years ago by Fernando Pena... Knowing that only the original version of the film was that long, he told his then wife, Paula Félix-Didier, and then forgot about it. When Ms Félix-Didier became head of the Buenos Aires Museo del Cine in January, she went straight to the archive to check its print. "It only took 20 minutes," said Ms Félix-Didier to Germany's Die Zeit newspaper yesterday.
Good thing she waited 20 years to follow up on it. Idiot.
Peep is offline  
Old 07-14-08, 03:26 AM
  #44  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
caligulathegod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Grove City OH
Posts: 3,730
It took her 20 years to get the job.
caligulathegod is offline  
Old 07-15-08, 12:13 PM
  #45  
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 134
So I guess this means I'll have to update my camera-speed version! =)

Do we think there will be a film premiere somewhere? I'd love to be there, even if it's in Berlin.

Anyone speak German? Here's a report with some actual clips:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37332

Last edited by marknyc; 07-15-08 at 01:50 PM.
marknyc is offline  
Old 07-15-08, 08:33 PM
  #46  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 620
My german is rusty, but they say the film came from a private collection. In the Museum of Cinema, the film luckily survived the lack of heating in winter, the man in charge says he didn't know what this film represents for the world of cinema.
The second part shows Paula Félix-Didier meeting the people from the German Film Library, the man with the PC is an expert comparing the film from Argentina with the version on his laptop, the germans said with no doubts this is not a fake.

Last edited by Tutut; 07-15-08 at 08:39 PM.
Tutut is offline  
Old 09-12-08, 02:54 PM
  #47  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 260
Hey, look the images from this 16mm footage with lost scenes:







Most defect, scratches, are printed in the 16mm, and not real scratches, since Martin Koerber, director of the 2001 restoration, said the 16mm was copied with the source print already badly scratched. If they had copied with wey gat (which fill dames in the trasnparent plastic) and copied to 35mm... the footage would be far bether.

So the photochemical restoration to this print would notrender good improbements. And there is so much damage that it's a challenge even for modern digital film restoratioin technics.

Last edited by Alfred Bergman; 09-12-08 at 03:00 PM.
Alfred Bergman is offline  
Old 09-12-08, 03:14 PM
  #48  
Moderator
 
Giles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 33,493
there's an article about the discovery and more stills in the most recent issue of the UK's film magazine: Sight & Sound
Giles is offline  
Old 09-12-08, 03:28 PM
  #49  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Docking Bay 94
Posts: 14,259
Originally Posted by Giles View Post
there's an article about the discovery and more stills in the most recent issue of the UK's film magazine: Sight & Sound
Thanks -- I'll head over to Barnes & Noble this weekend and pick that up.
bboisvert is offline  
Old 09-12-08, 03:34 PM
  #50  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 260
More images:















I supose those images whas shot from the screen projection session they made for journalists. And the projection was a video the curater did using a simple MiniDV cancorder recording from a moviola(smal table projector) small screen. So the real image definition of the 16mm must be a little bethe than this, considering those steps mentioned get many image loss of detail. After all this is indeed a 16mm negative, shot from a very scratched 35mm original print.

Last edited by Alfred Bergman; 09-12-08 at 03:43 PM.
Alfred Bergman is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.