Metropolis (KINO)
06-28-08, 10:30 PM
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Sadly, they are "cleaning up the blemishes" with DNR on some titles. Check out Patton, The Longest Day, or Face/Off. Robert Harris wrote a piece about it at The Digital Bits: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris062408.html
06-30-08, 11:00 AM
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been hearing a LOT about this.. I find this VERY disturbing.. So has Blu-ray already moved away from the cinemaphiles? Between cropping (to 1:85), not having all versions on HD that are available on SD (e.g. Die Hard 4), and now DNR messing with the PQ - I am getting less and less anxious to own a BR player.. of course, in my opinion, I am not even sure if there IS a good standalone affordable blu-ray player at this point!
07-02-08, 06:07 PM
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Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
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07-02-08, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jackson walker
Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
07-03-08, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson walker
Holy crap! Did you guys see this on the Digital Bits? A copy of a long version of Fritz Lang’s Metropolis, including scenes believed lost for almost 80 years, has been rediscovered. In 16mm negatives!
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
http://www.zeit.de/online/2008/27/me...vorab-englisch
And perhaps the scratches, which will probably remain even after restoration, will have an added advantage: The cinema goer will be reminded of what an exciting history this great film has had.
07-03-08, 02:27 PM
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I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
07-03-08, 05:28 PM
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I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
07-03-08, 06:53 PM
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I guess the impression I get is that they just thought it was a regular print of Metropolis until someone discussed having watched their particular print and explaining that it seemed like a longer film.
07-03-08, 07:05 PM
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Yeah, from the articles it seems like the archive's "cinema club" screened it and said, "Gee, this seems longer than the other versions we've seen..." Thank god someone alerted the higher-ups - and thank god for film buffs! Pretty hard to believe they don't even bother to check all the films that are in their archive, even ones they've had for 16 years!
07-04-08, 02:17 PM
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Here's the story.
Its existence only came to light through a remark heard by chance 20 years ago by Fernando Pena, now a Buenos Aires film museum curator. "I remembered an elderly projectionist at a cinema club complaining, 'It's bad enough I have to show such a poor quality copy of Metropolis , but it's getting hard at my age to stand at the projector for two hours, holding the film to make sure it doesn't spring out.'" Knowing that only the original version of the film was that long, he told his then wife, Paula Félix-Didier, and then forgot about it. When Ms Félix-Didier became head of the Buenos Aires Museo del Cine in January, she went straight to the archive to check its print. "It only took 20 minutes," said Ms Félix-Didier to Germany's Die Zeit newspaper yesterday. "We looked in the index, the archivist got the reels. Fernando held one to the light and said 'Está todo' - it's all there."
07-04-08, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RoboDad
I hope they get to work ASAP on restoring the lost footage. I now have no interest in seeing any version of the film on Blu-ray other than the complete version.
All right... we've got one last post for you today, because this just couldn't wait until Monday. We've just heard back from our friends over at Kino International. The good news is that they have officially confirmed that the newly-discovered footage from Fritz Lang's original version of Metropolis (which we mentioned yesterday) WILL be a part of the forthcoming special edition Blu-ray Disc release in 2009. What's more, the new special edition will be released on standard DVD format as well on the same day. Watch for more details on this sure-to-be-amazing release in the weeks and months ahead.
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07-04-08, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by marknyc
I found this out at 3am last night and almost fell off my chair! It's simply astounding that this print could have been hidden all these years, in spite of such a public search for a complete version. Did they know it was there and chose not to disclose it? Or was it just buried in the vaults? Here's more info:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/filmNe...44303820080703
Makes you wonder if other classic lost films may exist somewhere!
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07-05-08, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DGibFen
Perhaps they should scrounge that vault to see if a copy of Orson Welles' long rumored but never found original 148 minute version of The Magnificent Ambersons exists.
However, Metropolis seemed a lost cause until now as well, so I wouldn't say never.
07-11-08, 01:38 PM
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Its existence only came to light through a remark heard by chance 20 years ago by Fernando Pena... Knowing that only the original version of the film was that long, he told his then wife, Paula Félix-Didier, and then forgot about it. When Ms Félix-Didier became head of the Buenos Aires Museo del Cine in January, she went straight to the archive to check its print. "It only took 20 minutes," said Ms Félix-Didier to Germany's Die Zeit newspaper yesterday.
07-15-08, 12:13 PM
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So I guess this means I'll have to update my camera-speed version! =)
Do we think there will be a film premiere somewhere? I'd love to be there, even if it's in Berlin.
Anyone speak German? Here's a report with some actual clips:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37332
Do we think there will be a film premiere somewhere? I'd love to be there, even if it's in Berlin.
Anyone speak German? Here's a report with some actual clips:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37332
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07-15-08, 08:33 PM
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My german is rusty, but they say the film came from a private collection. In the Museum of Cinema, the film luckily survived the lack of heating in winter, the man in charge says he didn't know what this film represents for the world of cinema.
The second part shows Paula Félix-Didier meeting the people from the German Film Library, the man with the PC is an expert comparing the film from Argentina with the version on his laptop, the germans said with no doubts this is not a fake.
The second part shows Paula Félix-Didier meeting the people from the German Film Library, the man with the PC is an expert comparing the film from Argentina with the version on his laptop, the germans said with no doubts this is not a fake.
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09-12-08, 02:54 PM
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Hey, look the images from this 16mm footage with lost scenes:
Most defect, scratches, are printed in the 16mm, and not real scratches, since Martin Koerber, director of the 2001 restoration, said the 16mm was copied with the source print already badly scratched. If they had copied with wey gat (which fill dames in the trasnparent plastic) and copied to 35mm... the footage would be far bether.
So the photochemical restoration to this print would notrender good improbements. And there is so much damage that it's a challenge even for modern digital film restoratioin technics.
Most defect, scratches, are printed in the 16mm, and not real scratches, since Martin Koerber, director of the 2001 restoration, said the 16mm was copied with the source print already badly scratched. If they had copied with wey gat (which fill dames in the trasnparent plastic) and copied to 35mm... the footage would be far bether.
So the photochemical restoration to this print would notrender good improbements. And there is so much damage that it's a challenge even for modern digital film restoratioin technics.
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09-12-08, 03:28 PM
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More images:
I supose those images whas shot from the screen projection session they made for journalists. And the projection was a video the curater did using a simple MiniDV cancorder recording from a moviola(smal table projector) small screen. So the real image definition of the 16mm must be a little bethe than this, considering those steps mentioned get many image loss of detail. After all this is indeed a 16mm negative, shot from a very scratched 35mm original print.
I supose those images whas shot from the screen projection session they made for journalists. And the projection was a video the curater did using a simple MiniDV cancorder recording from a moviola(smal table projector) small screen. So the real image definition of the 16mm must be a little bethe than this, considering those steps mentioned get many image loss of detail. After all this is indeed a 16mm negative, shot from a very scratched 35mm original print.
Last edited by Alfred Bergman; 09-12-08 at 03:43 PM.