I'm confused here. Are you talking about the discussion of sales figures? You can see J6P being concerned about them, but not DVD Talkers?

Not to speak for Namja, but I think he means "eating them up" as in "taking the numbers at face value without questioning them".

About J6P eating up the % figures as though it's anything meaningful.
We, as dedicated fans of Blu-ray, should certainly demand more.

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C'mon, let's not be stupid here. The studios have the raw numbers! If they say that Movie 1 was the best selling Blu-ray this week, and Movie 2 sold 60% of Movie 1, and Movie 3 sold 35% of Movie 1, then they MUST HAVE the actual sales figures where the percentages were derived from. Either that, or they're just making up numbers.

However, if the actual quarterly and annual earnings reports (which cannot be fudged, unless the executives of the companies involved want to spend some time in prison) don't jibe with the projected earnings, their shareholders will dump their stock. Guaranteed.

Shareholders don't like being lied to. That's why I didn't include them in my earlier list.

Then I guess it's a good thing that none of us have taken them at face value. So I guess I'm not sure who he was talking about, then.

Are SDVD sales reported raw? Isn't there a way to calculate the raw HD numbers by comparing the percentages of the 2?

Are we reading the same thread? Way too many people, including some on this thread, are defending the percentage figures as though it is meaningful.

There is no doubt that the percentage figures are meaningful, it is the only comparative tool there is is to speculate how the two mediums progress. If industry publications find them to be meaningful I see no reason why DVDTALK shouldn't. The question a few have asked on this forum is whether or not they are accurate and though a selected few have also concluded they aren't evidence or source proving so has not been offered.

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Let's not confuse publication with meaningful. Nielsen wants to post raw numbers, but the BDA won't let them. Hmmm. Don't you wonder why?

I'll just leave it at that.

Oh no you didn't.

Because the Blu-ray numbers are so high that if they were released, companies that deal in standard DVDs and the players would lose money. There is a vested interest in keeping these numbers hidden. For now the BDA is going along because they will be paid their dues soon.

I have this on the authorities at Sony who tell us what's going on.

I agree 100%. If only those benevolent and magnanimous fellows at Toshiba and Microsoft had prevailed, I'm quite sure every last detail would have been released regarding sales numbers.

Because of course, we always got exact # of units sold from Toshiba, Universal and Paramount as well.

the-numbers.com has posted its own estimate of last week's sales figures and it is somewhat lower - it says that Rambo sold 780,405 copies on DVD (830,957 if you include the Rambo collection boxset).

Which, applying the 12.82% BD/DVD ratio and using other percentages, would give us sales for Rambo of 100047 units.

Applying the relative sales percentages, we'd get:

1. Rambo 100,050
2. National Treasure: Book of Secrets 63,760
3. Rambo Trilogy 23,490
4. 300 18,460
5. National Treasure 13,990
6. I Am Legend 13,260
7. The Golden Compass 12,790
8. National Treasure Two-Pack 11,030
9. The Chronicles of Narnia 10,650
10. Blade Runner 8,660
11. Superbad 8,010
12. 3:10 to Yuma 7,440
13. Rambo: First Blood Part II 7,310
14. Planet Earth 7,260
15. Rambo III 6,910
16. V for Vendetta 6,310
17. Blood Diamond 6,150
18. Full Metal Jacket 5,990
19. Over America 5,690
20. Twister 5,520

Talk about guidance correction. So we can safely say that Rambo sold something between 100K and 256K on BD.

Those numbers look much more realistic.

I still want to know who's buying all these copies of Over America!

Cheap + "Planet Earth looked amazing, I'm sure this will too" = $$$ales

Don't you ever get dizzy from spinning so fast?

does your mouth ever dry up from being so bitter?

I'm guessing you consider industry publications to include pamphlets/flyers from Sony

Your apparent hard-on for Sony is really getting tiresome.

People can be pro-Blu-Ray and not be Sony fans.

It's just funny that people quote Blu-ray producers/supporters, which Sony is the largest, and state everything they say as complete fact about the future. If it's a company like Toshiba then everything they say is a lie.

It's just completely ignorant to close a person's mind to all the information and not use critical thinking to analyze all the information to come to conclusions based on using a person's brain instead of emotions.

I'm also pro-Blu-ray since that's what I went with. The difference is that I just don't parrot whatever positive thing is said about blu-ray as fact.

I don't think that's happening as much as you think it is.

Critical thinking such as "Actual Blu-ray sales numbers aren't published because they're too awesome"?

If the quasi conspiracy theories that are rampant around here are what you consider "critical thinking", well, I just don't know what to say.

Is it only "parroting" if one mindlessly repeats positive things? Are all negative comments automatically assumed to be examples of "critical thinking"?

It would be if that's all a person did, just as it would be if all a person did was "parrot" negative things.

Obviously not. Why would you need to even ask that? Do you really not know?

Just going with the flow. Is there any blu-ray thread discussing sales figures or some company moving more towards or away from the format that doesn't end up in shambles? Why not have fun in life instead of getting into pointless arguments where neither side is going to change their mind?