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Old 03-05-08 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
It came from a direct interview with the Wall Street Journal apparently:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120450428955606405.html
It's pretty clear in the article that he doesn't give a damn about consumer electronics at all, and would rather focus the company's efforts on semiconductors.
Old 03-05-08 | 08:29 PM
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I almost find it difficult to believe that he said that. That is horseshit (even worse than bullshit) and deserving of a .

If I were to give him the benefit of doubt ... maybe he meant that most people won't be able to tell the difference, since most already can't tell the difference between upconverted DVD and HDM let alone SD programming and HD programming. Seriously, how often do you hear people ask, "Hey, is that HD?" I hear it every single time there's an HDTV in the room/store.
Nope. I got a quote from the General Manager of Toshiba from another guy who was present at a press meeting with GM who was outlying future strategies. He said the same thing to the effect of upconverting DVD is about as good as HD. It's in the Toshiba thread announcement I think.

Toshiba is really pissed off. And they're apparently going to embark on a campaign which I do not favor. If they had as much energy as they do now, maybe HD DVD would still be around. Toshiba seems to be completely cutting their HD player lines and are only abiding by consumer protection laws to prevent a massive class action suit.

But I agree, just because something is not necessarily 100% pro Blu-ray, does not mean it's somehow anti-Blu-ray. As I've said before, if HD DVD was doing the same thing, and won, I'd be posting some questions about the format as well.
Old 03-05-08 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Nope. I got a quote from the General Manager of Toshiba from another guy who was present at a press meeting with GM who was outlying future strategies. He said the same thing to the effect of upconverting DVD is about as good as HD. It's in the Toshiba thread announcement I think.

Toshiba is really pissed off. And they're apparently going to embark on a campaign which I do not favor. If they had as much energy as they do now, maybe HD DVD would still be around. Toshiba seems to be completely cutting their HD player lines and are only abiding by consumer protection laws to prevent a massive class action suit.
Yeah... that's pretty much Bat-Shit Crazy.

I wonder how much one of these Ultra Super Neo Upconverting players are going to cost?
Old 03-05-08 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
but I reiterate, if that's his belief, why did they bother with HD DVD?
Reading his responses, the words "sore loser" comes to mind.

EDIT: I found this part pretty funny:
... "Judgment: How Winning Leaders Make Great Calls."
That's pretty funny.
Old 03-06-08 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Right now, I'm reading... "Judgment: How Winning Leaders Make Great Calls."
He should have read it sooner.
Old 03-06-08 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by namja
Reading this thread, I'm convinced that some of you didn't actually read the article. The question in the article was "What Are the Lessons of the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Battle?" and here are their answers (just the "lessons" parts are quoted below).

The format war was clearly a mistake. And these are some of the lessons that we learned from that mistake. How is this a negative piece? Or a doom and gloom piece? This is reality, something that some of you seem to have a hard time grasping.
Oh, I can assure you, I did read the article. Twice, for good measure. and yes, the points you culled are some of what the "experts" listed as lessons learned, but there were other points as well, and a few tangential points that weren't really in the "lessons" realm, but in the vague prediction category.

But, perhaps the best quote of all from the article comes from near the beginning:
While the history of format wars teaches analysts not to infer lessons too hastily, it is much more fun to throw such caution to the wind.
So, at least Mr. Greenstein acknowledges the silliness of what he and his colleagues were doing for the remainder of the article.

But, if it makes it easier for you to deal with my different take on what was written, feel free to continue to believe that it must be because I didn't read the article. Maybe I just didn't read as well as you.
Old 03-06-08 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RoboDad
Oh, I can assure you, I did read the article. Twice, for good measure. and yes, the points you culled are some of what the "experts" listed as lessons learned, but there were other points as well, and a few tangential points that weren't really in the "lessons" realm, but in the vague prediction category.
I see. So you're going to argue about these tangential points and vague predictions and ignore the main points of the article? You claim that the experts concluded that Blu-ray will be dead any time now for VOD. They made no such conclusion. VOD was mentioned only as a supplement to the main arguments (and even as a supplement, they are prefaced by "it may soon be obsolete" and "what if ..."), to explain some of the lessons learned, but that's it. You can take out all the VOD references in the article without changing the message of the article one bit.

Anyway, I don't want to keep arguing about some side reference of the article. The main points having nothing to do with VOD.

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