Anyone Contact Warner Bros Regarding HD-DVD?
01-12-08 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Its been 18 months, how much longer should anyone wait to buy into the supposed "winning" format?
DVD has no wear near the issues that Blu-ray is having. The usual Pro-Blu people will say "they didn't have DTS or progressive scan" as usual. What we are seeing today is studios releasing movies that do not work on stand alone players.
How many SA players have been released...15 total between all the different models? How hard would it be to test a movie in each play and say "Hey, Samsung, Sunshine does not work in the 1200. You should work on an update before the movie hit shelves in 2-4 weeks". But they don't. Now, the usual response will be "why should they? Its up to the CE's to make sure they can play all the movies, not the studio". Well, at this point, both the CEs and Studios need to play nice if they want to catch on to the next DVD-type format and make money. If they continue to have issues people will bail.
The PS3 should NOT be the only option to Blu-ray. You should not have to be forced into buying a video game console if you want to play all the movies the day of release and not wait for a firmware update or endure 4-5 minutes of loading/java crashing menus.
DVD has no wear near the issues that Blu-ray is having. The usual Pro-Blu people will say "they didn't have DTS or progressive scan" as usual. What we are seeing today is studios releasing movies that do not work on stand alone players.
How many SA players have been released...15 total between all the different models? How hard would it be to test a movie in each play and say "Hey, Samsung, Sunshine does not work in the 1200. You should work on an update before the movie hit shelves in 2-4 weeks". But they don't. Now, the usual response will be "why should they? Its up to the CE's to make sure they can play all the movies, not the studio". Well, at this point, both the CEs and Studios need to play nice if they want to catch on to the next DVD-type format and make money. If they continue to have issues people will bail.
The PS3 should NOT be the only option to Blu-ray. You should not have to be forced into buying a video game console if you want to play all the movies the day of release and not wait for a firmware update or endure 4-5 minutes of loading/java crashing menus.
The point of the matter is that a firmware update does fix the problem. Once 2.0 is out, everything should be cleared up.
There is TOO much shortsightedness in people today in general. Give me instant gratification. NOW! New tech has problems, it will be fixed.
Again my whole point has been that the people saying they will NEVER buy Blu are ridiculous, not that Blu is the best.
01-12-08 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Don't call me a blu supporter. I am neutral and you have never seen me post in one of these whinefests until now.
The point of the matter is that a firmware update does fix the problem. Once 2.0 is out, everything should be cleared up.
There is TOO much shortsightedness in people today in general. Give me instant gratification. NOW! New tech has problems, it will be fixed.
Again my whole point has been that the people saying they will NEVER buy Blu are ridiculous, not that Blu is the best.
The point of the matter is that a firmware update does fix the problem. Once 2.0 is out, everything should be cleared up.
There is TOO much shortsightedness in people today in general. Give me instant gratification. NOW! New tech has problems, it will be fixed.
Again my whole point has been that the people saying they will NEVER buy Blu are ridiculous, not that Blu is the best.
No one should have to wait years for a format to be "finished".
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01-12-08 | 05:14 PM
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Not all DVD players had DTS encoding on their first DVD players at first either. I had numerous problems with some dvds that wouldn't play on one or more of my players because of layer changes, etc. And the last I knew 1.0 and 1.1 players still play the movies. You saying there are some that won't play the movie is false. All 1.0 and 1.1 profile players play all the movies on BD. They may not play some of the extras such as PIP, but they still play the movie.
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01-12-08 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by theflyingdutch
Not all DVD players had DTS encoding on their first DVD players at first either. I had numerous problems with some dvds that wouldn't play on one or more of my players because of layer changes, etc. And the last I knew 1.0 and 1.1 players still play the movies. You saying there are some that won't play the movie is false.
Again, be able to decode a certain audio format that 1/20 people might actually do is one thing, but not playing a movie that 20/20 people will do is another.
As for not playing certain movies? Are you serious? Do you just turn a blind eye to the numerous thread on DVDTalk where people are having issues?
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=522042
Just bought Sunshine BluRay today. I put it in, loads up, goes to the menu and then its stuck in an infinite loop. No menu options are available and the only button I can get to respond is Eject.
This is the 3rd BD I have now had problems with on my Samsung BD-P1200. Pirates At World's End also gets stuck on the menu and Live Free.. Die Hard never gets past the loading stage. (I got a work around for the Live Free .. Die Hard BD from this site - start playing another movie, eject it, put in Live Free .. Die Hard and then it will play)
This is the 3rd BD I have now had problems with on my Samsung BD-P1200. Pirates At World's End also gets stuck on the menu and Live Free.. Die Hard never gets past the loading stage. (I got a work around for the Live Free .. Die Hard BD from this site - start playing another movie, eject it, put in Live Free .. Die Hard and then it will play)
01-12-08 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Once 2.0 is out? You do know its not a "firmware" update that gives 2.0 to all the Samsung, Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sharp, LG players out there...right? They will always be 1.0/1.1 players.
No one should have to wait years for a format to be "finished".
No one should have to wait years for a format to be "finished".
We had to wait years for the DVD format to be finished.
Gotta go for the evening.
01-12-08 | 05:30 PM
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Uh, no thank you. I stay away from AVS as much as possible. As far as problems with particular players, that is what returning machines is all about. Has happened with DVDs, SACD, CD, LD, etc. If a particular player is a problem, the manufacturer deals with those issues. And I highly doubt ALL people are having problems with the same movie on the same player. If they are, they go to the manufacturer. If within warranty, they can have the problem resolved. If it requires a download upgrade, then it will happen.
Honestly, if you ask everyone if they had the same problem with the same movie on the same player, I highly doubt you'll get the answer you obviously espouse.
Honestly, if you ask everyone if they had the same problem with the same movie on the same player, I highly doubt you'll get the answer you obviously espouse.
01-12-08 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lt Ripley
Yes, I know that. I agree that for early adopters it sucks. But there is a light at the end of the tunnel for Blu, and it will be fixed.
We had to wait years for the DVD format to be finished.
Gotta go for the evening.
We had to wait years for the DVD format to be finished.
Gotta go for the evening.
01-12-08 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by theflyingdutch
Not all DVD players had DTS encoding on their first DVD players at first either. I had numerous problems with some dvds that wouldn't play on one or more of my players because of layer changes, etc. And the last I knew 1.0 and 1.1 players still play the movies. You saying there are some that won't play the movie is false. All 1.0 and 1.1 profile players play all the movies on BD. They may not play some of the extras such as PIP, but they still play the movie.
DVD was pretty much finished when released. Not everyone supported DTS year one, but that is a minor issue compared to discs that just don't play and players that have no ability to be upgraded despite the fact the CE companies knew this was happening.
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01-12-08 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by theflyingdutch
Uh, no thank you. I stay away from AVS as much as possible. As far as problems with particular players, that is what returning machines is all about. Has happened with DVDs, SACD, CD, LD, etc. If a particular player is a problem, the manufacturer deals with those issues. And I highly doubt ALL people are having problems with the same movie on the same player. If they are, they go to the manufacturer. If within warranty, they can have the problem resolved. If it requires a download upgrade, then it will happen.
Honestly, if you ask everyone if they had the same problem with the same movie on the same player, I highly doubt you'll get the answer you obviously espouse.
Honestly, if you ask everyone if they had the same problem with the same movie on the same player, I highly doubt you'll get the answer you obviously espouse.
01-12-08 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
It might be fixed, not guaranteed yet. Blu-ray is trying to replace DVD, if it wants to, it can't take years to be finished. People will not wait years. They will simply go the VOD route and bypass HDM altogether which is happening right now as we speak.
01-12-08 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
You can't return a unit bought 6 months ago at Best Buy. They won't take it back unless you bought that service warranty, and even then its a pain to get it replaces vs. being fixed. Firmware updates are not guaranteed, as proven by Samsung and LG in the past few months. I hope those owners have no intentions of buying any other Fox movies in the next few months. Its always fun to see what movies will and won't play every Tuesday.
01-12-08 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
It might be fixed, not guaranteed yet. Blu-ray is trying to replace DVD, if it wants to, it can't take years to be finished. People will not wait years. They will simply go the VOD route and bypass HDM altogether which is happening right now as we speak.
It very well could be that BOTH HD DVD and Blu-ray are extinct in 5 years or less due to a new technology, manufacturing process, coming down the tech pipeline. Movie studios will go with what makes better economic sense. And Sony won't have the cash to fondle and cuddle every studio at that point.
In any case, DO CONTACT Warner Brothers. It won't hurt. Just be respectful when you do.
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01-12-08 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by theflyingdutch
Only among those who have absolutely refused to support HD because of their hatred toward BD.
01-12-08 | 05:45 PM
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Gizmo,
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
01-12-08 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Gizmo,
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
01-12-08 | 05:53 PM
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Just buy a friggin BluRay player. I've had both players for well over a year now and personally I didn't care if the war ended, or never ended. Who cares? Your HD's will still play on your HD player, and when/if you get a BR player, the only trouble you'll have is deciding which movie to get...just like it was with DVD. Maybe it's just me, but I HAD to have both players because I don't want to be denied the opportunity to play or watch anything. I have all 3 game systems for the same reason. For those of you that say "I refuse to buy BluRay", why? Isn't watching the movie in stunning HD the point here? Isn't that what you will still be doing if you watch it on BR? Who cares who makes the movie or what you play it on, if it looks good, watch it.
Reading through this thread makes it sound like HD discs have been shitcanned all together, not just HD-DVD. Turn that frown upside down and come to the blue side...it won't kill ya!!
...again, I have supported BOTH formats apathetically, I'm not a BR fanboy.
Reading through this thread makes it sound like HD discs have been shitcanned all together, not just HD-DVD. Turn that frown upside down and come to the blue side...it won't kill ya!!
...again, I have supported BOTH formats apathetically, I'm not a BR fanboy.
01-12-08 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dvdsteve2000
Just buy a friggin BluRay player. I've had both players for well over a year now and personally I didn't care if the war ended, or never ended. Who cares? Your HD's will still play on your HD player, and when/if you get a BR player, the only trouble you'll have is deciding which movie to get...just like it was with DVD. Maybe it's just me, but I HAD to have both players because I don't want to be denied the opportunity to play or watch anything. I have all 3 game systems for the same reason. For those of you that say "I refuse to buy BluRay", why? Isn't watching the movie in stunning HD the point here? Isn't that what you will still be doing if you watch it on BR? Who cares who makes the movie or what you play it on, if it looks good, watch it.
Reading through this thread makes it sound like HD discs have been shitcanned all together, not just HD-DVD. Turn that frown upside down and come to the blue side...it won't kill ya!!
...again, I have supported BOTH formats apathetically, I'm not a BR fanboy.
Reading through this thread makes it sound like HD discs have been shitcanned all together, not just HD-DVD. Turn that frown upside down and come to the blue side...it won't kill ya!!
...again, I have supported BOTH formats apathetically, I'm not a BR fanboy.
01-12-08 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Gizmo,
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
I hope you're not suggesting that HD DVD players have all been flawless regarding playback. I've seen plenty of playback issue threads in the HD DVD section on AVS. Those are the only ones you hear about. Most people won't create a thread telling us their movie played fine.
My Panasonic has played every movie. It seems that the majority of issues are with Samsung. So maybe that means they just make shitty players, as opposed to the problem being with the BD format.
01-12-08 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
Exactly. IMO Samsung and Toshiba are both 2nd-rate CE's, and you are taking a risk anytime you buy any of their crap. At least with Blu (after the roll-out), there were options of buying a player from a 1st-rate CE.
01-12-08 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
The issues is what player to buy as all of them will not be able to handle all the special features in 6+ months. PS3 is the best bet, and not everyone wants to buy a video game console.
Wouldn't you have the same problems if HD-DVD won the war?
What's so horrible if you buy a PS3? It updates, plays games, etc...
01-12-08 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by whomod
In my message I basically let them know that I was purple (for one short unfortunate moment) but felt completely underwhelmed by Blu-Ray that I returned my player and have no desire to ever buy Blu-ray. And also let them know that I'm completely happy with my HD-DVD and it's FULL functionality (as opposed to all the Profile nonsense on Blu-ray). Plus I also made them aware of my wariness with FOX's problems with their newer blu ray discs.
Like I said, I'm not expecting the sky to open up and Warner to reverse course just on my disappointment. I was just surprised that there was no petitions or the like considering people do petitions for the most minor things like their favorite 70's era TV show not being on DVD!
I suppose I could listen to the "get over it" crowd. But
1) It's not in my nature.
2) Something tells me most of them are biased towards Blu to begin with.
So I'll continue to contact away. And hopefully someone more articulate than I can start a petition soon.
Thanks for doing the same apples.
Like I said, I'm not expecting the sky to open up and Warner to reverse course just on my disappointment. I was just surprised that there was no petitions or the like considering people do petitions for the most minor things like their favorite 70's era TV show not being on DVD!
I suppose I could listen to the "get over it" crowd. But
1) It's not in my nature.
2) Something tells me most of them are biased towards Blu to begin with.
So I'll continue to contact away. And hopefully someone more articulate than I can start a petition soon.
Thanks for doing the same apples.
01-12-08 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by clappj
How about those people who've only bought into HD-DVD, and a spent good bit of their hard-earned money?
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?
And around and around it goes...
People who'd like to be able to continue to purchase HD-DVD titles from a company who has been producing them up until now.
You seriously can't understand why they'd be upset?
And around and around it goes...
01-12-08 | 06:20 PM
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Ok, I'll shoot. Whats a 1st-rate CE?
01-12-08 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dvdsteve2000
These are honest questions, as I don't follow all of the hardware talk...
Wouldn't you have the same problems if HD-DVD won the war?
What's so horrible if you buy a PS3? It updates, plays games, etc...
Wouldn't you have the same problems if HD-DVD won the war?
What's so horrible if you buy a PS3? It updates, plays games, etc...
If you bought a Blu-ray player on October 2007 you won't be able to play all the special features of a movie released 2 weeks ago. (Resident Evil). Those Blu-ray players are still being sold today to unknowing individuals. Those same players may or may not be able to play movies as well as we can see with all 4 different Samsung players and various other ones as well.
Once Saw IV comes out, only PS3 will be able to take advantage of the network features as well. Not everyone wants to buy a PS3 as its not capable of playing all the audio formats, does not allow for Harmony remote control options, and its a video game console which not everyone wants.