Will HD DVD have an answer to the "W" bomb?
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There isn't much that they could do in response to this. Outside of buying one of these studios and forcing them to HD-DVD. Or maybe buying Sony.
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For anyone still waiting for a response, the HD DVD PRG has now canceled its One on One Executive meetings in addition to the 2 hour CES Press Conference.
Here is the link:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10234
Here is the link:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10234
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Originally Posted by QuePaso
You can just feel the depression coming off the HD camp in that statement.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Well, this is like blaming Sony for something Paramount decided to do on their own. Toshiba never had control of the movie studios, and they went where the money was. If anything, it was Microsoft who didn't step up to the plate more aggressively when it came to PC/HD DVD integration and video game console integration.
Content is king and cheap(er) content can move markets.
As for MS's involvement, I think MS has a tendency to become involved in some things more for the purposes of muddying current waters (HD disc media) for their own later advantage in another arena... movie downloads. Where MS is still trying to sell the studios on their brand of DRM and the advantage they can bring to the market with the ubiquitousness of their OS/software in the PC/TV convergence arena.
But the studios aren't buying. They're greedy, but not stupid (at least not completely). They don't want to give up anything, particularly money or control, and MS is a control freak of a corporation that desperately wants to get their fingers into as many pies as possible. I think this, more than anything else, is why the studios haven't climbed into bed with MS. They've read the news... they know how MS treats partners and that MS can't be trusted. For the most recent example, look at how MS pulled the rug out from under it's "Plays For Sure" associates. IMHO, MS is it's own worst enemy.
And just because I'm ragging on MS doesn't mean Sony gets a pass. I think a lot of those in the HD-DVD camp are there because of Sony's rootkit debackle, and who can blame them. But, as far as partnership arrangements are concerned, I think Sony learned from the BetaMax fiasco, where their failure is primarily attributable to trying to go it alone. By the time they got a clue, it was too late.
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Why re-release? Offer free HD DVD releases.
#33
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I hope this isn't dragged out. I wish Universal and Paramount would cancel all their upcoming releases and re-release them as blu-rays.
No reason to stop those willing to buy already announced HD DVD's from buying them if they want to.
Personally I was going to buy both Zodiac and Into The Wild, but at $25 each, I think I will wait for things to settle or buy them if they show up under $15.
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This will NEVER happen, but they could come to an agreement and start to make combo discs for Blu and HD. One side Blu the other HD. Everyone still happy.
An OT ?... I know the Blu Ray players need to be updated via firmware updates and usually require you to download files and burn them on to discs that need to be placed in the players and then they install. Does the PS3 download these updates through the PSN and eliminate the need to burn the discs and go through that process?
That's the one thing I liked about HD DVD, a network connection was REQUIRED and firmware updates were delivered when you needed them. Not as big a chance of having a problem then having a person have to burn it themselves.
An OT ?... I know the Blu Ray players need to be updated via firmware updates and usually require you to download files and burn them on to discs that need to be placed in the players and then they install. Does the PS3 download these updates through the PSN and eliminate the need to burn the discs and go through that process?
That's the one thing I liked about HD DVD, a network connection was REQUIRED and firmware updates were delivered when you needed them. Not as big a chance of having a problem then having a person have to burn it themselves.
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Originally Posted by dvd-fanman
This will NEVER happen, but they could come to an agreement and start to make combo discs for Blu and HD. One side Blu the other HD. Everyone still happy.
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Originally Posted by dvd-fanman
This will NEVER happen, but they could come to an agreement and start to make combo discs for Blu and HD. One side Blu the other HD. Everyone still happy.
An OT ?... I know the Blu Ray players need to be updated via firmware updates and usually require you to download files and burn them on to discs that need to be placed in the players and then they install. Does the PS3 download these updates through the PSN and eliminate the need to burn the discs and go through that process?
An OT ?... I know the Blu Ray players need to be updated via firmware updates and usually require you to download files and burn them on to discs that need to be placed in the players and then they install. Does the PS3 download these updates through the PSN and eliminate the need to burn the discs and go through that process?
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Originally Posted by dvd-fanman
That's the one thing I liked about HD DVD, a network connection was REQUIRED and firmware updates were delivered when you needed them. Not as big a chance of having a problem then having a person have to burn it themselves.
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Originally Posted by aeron
I update firmware on my PS3 by downloading the file on my PC, copying to a USB flash drive, and plugging the drive into the PS3, and updating...
I guess what I am really asking is when Playstation sends out their updates for the PS3, do they include any Blu Ray player firmware updates, or do you have to update the firmware of the Blu Ray player separately?
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Originally Posted by dvd-fanman
I know that is an option, but is it the Blu Ray firmware updates, or the Playstation updates?
I guess what I am really asking is when Playstation sends out their updates for the PS3, do they include any Blu Ray player firmware updates, or do you have to update the firmware of the Blu Ray player separately?
I guess what I am really asking is when Playstation sends out their updates for the PS3, do they include any Blu Ray player firmware updates, or do you have to update the firmware of the Blu Ray player separately?
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Originally Posted by darkside
It is an all in one firmware update.
Makes me feel better if I do decide to "go Blu" that if I get the PS3 I won't have to deal with burning any discs to get my player to upgrade to the latest firmware.
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Originally Posted by dvd-fanman
Thanks for the info!
Makes me feel better if I do decide to "go Blu" that if I get the PS3 I won't have to deal with burning any discs to get my player to upgrade to the latest firmware.
Makes me feel better if I do decide to "go Blu" that if I get the PS3 I won't have to deal with burning any discs to get my player to upgrade to the latest firmware.
#43
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Originally Posted by David Levine
Not required at all. You can d/l and burn the updates from Toshiba, or get on their mailing list and they'll send you update CDs as they become available.
#45
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Guys - it's over. Deader than a door nail.
There will be no new HD-DVD players.
There will be no new combo players.
There are only 1 million HD-DVD players/add-ons out there, and they will become orphans.
Absolutely no reason for CE manufacturers to invest even $1 on engineering/manufacturing on the HD-DVD side.
It's all BR from here on out, folks.
There will be no new HD-DVD players.
There will be no new combo players.
There are only 1 million HD-DVD players/add-ons out there, and they will become orphans.
Absolutely no reason for CE manufacturers to invest even $1 on engineering/manufacturing on the HD-DVD side.
It's all BR from here on out, folks.
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Originally Posted by Lord Rick
Guys - it's over. Deader than a door nail.
There will be no new HD-DVD players.
There will be no new combo players.
There are only 1 million HD-DVD players/add-ons out there, and they will become orphans.
Absolutely no reason for CE manufacturers to invest even $1 on engineering/manufacturing on the HD-DVD side.
It's all BR from here on out, folks.
There will be no new HD-DVD players.
There will be no new combo players.
There are only 1 million HD-DVD players/add-ons out there, and they will become orphans.
Absolutely no reason for CE manufacturers to invest even $1 on engineering/manufacturing on the HD-DVD side.
It's all BR from here on out, folks.
With 1 million players sold, if you average 5 titles sold per player ( Which I am sure the average is higher). Your talking about 5 million titles, left to play on what? ( In the future, if their player cracks ) Combo players in theory might be dead, but I see no reason why Tohsiba or possibly someone else wouldn't start making BR players with the added feature of playing HD DVDs.
1 million people is alot to burn, and expect them to rebuy basiclly the same product. It would be smart to bring over the HD DVD crowd, it would great for sales.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Warners offered customers rebates on HD DVD titles for those that upgrade to Blu-ray. Example: Buy the Blu-ray version and send in your HD-DVD UPC and get $10 back or something along those lines...
Disney is doing something similar now on Blu-ray catalog titles for those who bought the standard DVDs (See: The Rock and Con Air).
Disney is doing something similar now on Blu-ray catalog titles for those who bought the standard DVDs (See: The Rock and Con Air).
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Originally Posted by ScissorPuppy
I have no doubt that the format is dead but...
With 1 million players sold, if you average 5 titles sold per player ( Which I am sure the average is higher). Your talking about 5 million titles, left to play on what? ( In the future, if their player cracks ) Combo players in theory might be dead, but I see no reason why Tohsiba or possibly someone else wouldn't start making BR players with the added feature of playing HD DVDs.
1 million people is alot to burn, and expect them to rebuy basiclly the same product. It would be smart to bring over the HD DVD crowd, it would great for sales.
With 1 million players sold, if you average 5 titles sold per player ( Which I am sure the average is higher). Your talking about 5 million titles, left to play on what? ( In the future, if their player cracks ) Combo players in theory might be dead, but I see no reason why Tohsiba or possibly someone else wouldn't start making BR players with the added feature of playing HD DVDs.
1 million people is alot to burn, and expect them to rebuy basiclly the same product. It would be smart to bring over the HD DVD crowd, it would great for sales.
I can't imagine anyone other than the current combo makers or Toshiba being interested in supporting HD DVD playback past 2008.
#49
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
I wouldn't be surprised if Warners offered customers rebates on HD DVD titles for those that upgrade to Blu-ray. Example: Buy the Blu-ray version and send in your HD-DVD UPC and get $10 back or something along those lines...
Disney is doing something similar now on Blu-ray catalog titles for those who bought the standard DVDs (See: The Rock and Con Air).
Disney is doing something similar now on Blu-ray catalog titles for those who bought the standard DVDs (See: The Rock and Con Air).
That's really the only way I'm replacing titles - if and when they're half price.
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
If you think about it though. 5 million is probably what the average bigger day and date DVD sells. One title. I can think of several instances in the past where problems with a title were left unfixed by a studio, and that would have been spread over a larger amount of users.
I can't imagine anyone other than the current combo makers or Toshiba being interested in supporting HD DVD playback past 2008.
I can't imagine anyone other than the current combo makers or Toshiba being interested in supporting HD DVD playback past 2008.