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Old 01-11-08 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
I have yet to see a "I told you so" or a "we were right" post from a BD supporter here. The reason probably being for fear of backlash from the majority of hd-dvd supporters here.
Agreed. I also still agree with your earlier bullying comment. Those kind of posts are not even restricted to reponses to simialr posts from others, just simple trash talk and bullying. What I have been quick to realize is that behavior seems to be totally supported and all but encouraged.

IMO if the goal is to have only the few bullies all but running the show, and being the only few left posting, things are right on track.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:15 AM
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Yes, because Fox was clearly hampered by HD DVD and they are still releasing garbage MPEG2 releases.
Speaking of FUD...there's nothing wrong with MPEG2, and these were on the early titles that were delayed from last year.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by namja
That's a slight overstatement. About this time last year, we had several really annoying HD DVD supporters spewing the same kind of crap that we're getting from Blu-ray supporter today. We had a lot more problems with HD DVD supporters then than with Blu-ray supporters. That is, until we banned some and gave long suspensions to some. We really don't want to have to do that again.
I don't feel that it's an overstatement. Just because there were some rowdy HD supporters back in the day (or that they tilted the scale here) doesn't discount that there were still the same from the other side and that was even before their format launched and it was based on entirely arbitrary aspects such as BD having more space or that thirty billion people were pre-determined to buy PS3s. But I don't really want to stir the pot any, so I won't comment on it any more.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by matome
Speaking of FUD...there's nothing wrong with MPEG2, and these were on the early titles that were delayed from last year.

Seconded.

Kingdom of Heaven anyone?

Sure it's less efficient, and I'm not condoning Fox's actions, but if Commando and Predator are both bare bones, I'm not too worried about the MPEG2 encode on a BD25.

Would I rather have an AVC encode on BD50? Hell yeah. But I'll take what I can get for now - I like these films too much.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:18 AM
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Mostly because (1) we deleted dozens of those posts and (2) many of those posts were phrased in a way to disguise that message, which is actually more annoying.
I stand corrected then.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
Old transfers on BD25's that should've been scrapped, but will eventually be double-dipped. I do believe that the newer catalog transfers are all AVC & on BD50's ie. Man On Fire, which is just tremendous.
I think Ice Age will be BD-25 using MPEG 2. And according to HD Digest specs, Independence day is also using MPEG 2, however it is on a BD50, so there is room to breathe there. I think going forward it will be AVC only. We're seeing AVC being used on almost everything released. That was the opposite of what we got in 2006.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Seconded.

Kingdom of Heaven anyone?

Sure it's less efficient, and I'm not condoning Fox's actions, but if Commando and Predator are both bare bones, I'm not too worried about the MPEG2 encode on a BD25.

Would I rather have an AVC encode on BD50? Hell yeah. But I'll take what I can get for now - I like these films too much.
Exactly. I can't wait to get my hands on Commando & Predator.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:21 AM
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What compromises were there in the previous Constantin releases? Specifically.

Example:

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http://www.dvdtherapy.com/review_info.php?id=1780

Resident Evil: US Release:
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:23 AM
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I think Ice Age will be BD-25 using MPEG 2. And according to HD Digest specs, Independence day is also using MPEG 2, however it is on a BD50, so there is room to breathe there. I think going forward it will be AVC only. We're seeing AVC being used on almost everything released. That was the opposite of what we got in 2006.
That press release was wrong, as Man on Fire was listed there and that is an AVC encode. Ice Age was a delayed title from early last year, so that will probably be MPEG, but the newly announced titles should be AVC.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:24 AM
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Agreed. I also still agree with your earlier bullying comment. Those kind of posts are not even restricted to reponses to simialr posts from others, just simple trash talk and bullying. What I have been quick to realize is that behavior seems to be totally supported and all but encouraged.

IMO if the goal is to have only the few bullies all but running the show, and being the only few left posting, things are right on track.
Pot Kettle Black.

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Old 01-11-08 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by matome
That press release was wrong, as Man on Fire was listed there and that is an AVC encode. Ice Age was a delayed title from early last year, so that will probably be MPEG, but the newly announced titles should be AVC.
That makes sense. I think if Independence Day received a BD50 encode, they probably used AVC.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:30 AM
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Pot Kettle Black.
Case in point. Lack of respectful dialog from the top down.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Sure it's less efficient, and I'm not condoning Fox's actions, but if Commando and Predator are both bare bones, I'm not too worried about the MPEG2 encode on a BD25.
Robocop was a barebones MPEG-2 BD-25, and that was horrible.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:35 AM
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Bollywood coming to Blu!

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...Shanti_Om/1359

Bollywood Blooms on Blu-ray with 'Om Shanti Om'
Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:00 AM ET
Tags: Disc Announcements (all tags)

Making their high-def debut, Eros Entertainment says they will bring the Bollywood sensation 'Om Shanti Om' to Blu-ray later this month.

The film, which broke box office records in its native India and played to packed theaters here in the US during its limited theatrical release this past November, will hit Blu-ray on January 22, day-and-date with the DVD version.

Specs for the Blu-ray version were still sketchy at press time, with 1080p video and a collection of trailers the only confirmed details.

Eros has set a suggested retail price for the disc of $24.95.

As always, you'll find disc details for 'Om Shanti Om' linked from our Blu-ray Release Schedule, where it's indexed under January 22, 2008.

We've also set up a dedicated thread for Eros' next-gen debut in our Forums area -- click the following link to discuss the 'Om Shanti Om' Blu-ray release.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
Robocop was a barebones MPEG-2 BD-25, and that was horrible.
Yes, but was that due to the codec or the master?

And I wouldn't call it "horrible, just not great.

Not to mention, screenshots of Commando have been out on AVS since the disc leaked last year, and they looked fairly good to me.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
Robocop was a barebones MPEG-2 BD-25, and that was horrible.
The Transporter movies were the same as well and they looked amazing. What's the point? There are no bad looking VC-1 or AVC transfers?
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Example:

Resident Evil: German Release (Constantin Films) HDDVD release
http://www.dvdtherapy.com/review_info.php?id=1780

Resident Evil: US Release:
http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...&Itemid=3.html

Pro-B

1) Comparing reviews by two different reviewers (each with presumably different equipment) is asking for trouble. Reviews of even the same disc by two or more different reviewers are often quite conflicting, for whatever reason. For example, check out the highdefdigest, dvdtalk, and dvdfile reviews of Spider-Man on Blu-ray. Then check the same sites for their review of The Last Starfighter on HD DVD. These guys are all over the map!

2) Why would they be using MPEG2 compression on an HD DVD? Given the lower bandwidth available, VC-1 or AVC should have been used. It's not very fair to compare a title which uses a less efficient codec which is further limited by lower bandwidth with a higher bitrate encoding done with a more efficient codec. Not for the argument you're trying to make, anyway.
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Old 01-11-08 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by matome
The Transporter movies were the same as well and they looked amazing. What's the point? There are no bad looking VC-1 or AVC transfers?
Actually, you're right. My problem isn't necessarily with MPEG-2, since we've seen it can work. I think my problem lies with the fact that I'm fairly confident Fox will not strike a new master for these older movies, and because of that the quality will end up suffering. I should have been clearer.
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Old 01-11-08 | 12:00 PM
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Actually, you're right. My problem isn't necessarily with MPEG-2, since we've seen it can work. I think my problem lies with the fact that I'm fairly confident Fox will not strike a new master for these older movies, and because of that the quality will end up suffering. I should have been clearer.
Since the old Commando dvd was non-anamorphic, Fox had to have done a new master for the Director's Cut dvd. I'm sure they'll use that one.
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Old 01-11-08 | 12:07 PM
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Since the old Commando dvd was non-anamorphic, Fox had to have done a new master for the Director's Cut dvd. I'm sure they'll use that one.
I forgot about Commando. Predator hasn't had any work done, though, and I was never pleased with the DVDs.
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Case in point. Lack of respectful dialog from the top down.
Erm? I think thats as respectful a way to say that haha, take stuff in jest once in a while, especially when it's correct.

Bollywood coming to Blu!
My sis will be so happy!

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Old 01-11-08 | 12:21 PM
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Old 01-11-08 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by matome
That press release was wrong, as Man on Fire was listed there and that is an AVC encode. Ice Age was a delayed title from early last year, so that will probably be MPEG, but the newly announced titles should be AVC.
I agree. They already stated that there was a typo but I'm pretty sure they'll use MPEG-2 on the previously delayed titles.
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Old 01-11-08 | 12:27 PM
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Case in point. Lack of respectful dialog from the top down.
Cardaway, I don't post much and usually just read the forum whenever time allows me but why can't you just let it go. Take the high road and just continue with Blu-ray news and discussions. The mods have already replied (quite fairly in my opinion) to all of your concerns yet you still drag on and on with it.

My point is that they are Mods and you are not. Life's not fair. If you don't agree with them then either don't post anymore, don't read the board or just leave the board altogether. I hope you still continue to contribute though since you do seem to be very well informed and contribute to this discussion.

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Case in point. Lack of respectful dialog from the top down.
It is not a lack of respect. Namja is a participating member of these forums probably more than he is a moderator. He is entitled to his opinions and comments just as much as any member.

And if you hate this place so much, might I recommend AVS and HTF, where the moderators will demean your opinion, demean you personally, and then ban you. Then make fun of you after your banning.
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