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Old 06-10-11 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
Also, in JP3, there's a scene where they are being chased by a T-Rex on a river and are trying to outrun it on a boat. That scene was lifted straight from the Jurassic Park book. Yeah, I remember being a bit underwhelmed by Crichton's Lost World, but I was hoping the movie would have been like the book. Instead they dumbed it down significantly.
Yeah, there are bits and pieces of Crichton's Jurassic Park in every movie. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Matthew Vaughn helm a page by page adaptation of the book --perhaps minus the Malcolm chaos theory rants.
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Yeah, there are bits and pieces of Crichton's Jurassic Park in every movie. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Matthew Vaughn helm a page by page adaptation of the book
A full-on adaptation of the source material? Sounds great!

--perhaps minus the Malcolm chaos theory rants.
Wait, what? You mean toss out the entire thesis of the novel?
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Yeah, there are bits and pieces of Crichton's Jurassic Park in every movie. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Matthew Vaughn helm a page by page adaptation of the book --perhaps minus the Malcolm chaos theory rants.
I was dying to see the book come to life, thinking how violent and Rated R it would have turned out. Hell, if anyone would do a faithful adaptation, I won't even mind the chaos theory mumbo jumbo.

Another great part of the book was the demise of Nedry and how graphic Crichton wrote that. I guess the movie version was okay, but dammit how cool would have that been seeing him cradle his intestines in his hands while running away.
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A full-on adaptation of the source material? Sounds great!



Wait, what? You mean toss out the entire thesis of the novel?
No, I just remember parts of the book being like full on action and then coming to an abrupt stop everytime they went back to Malcolm laying in bed. Definitely keep the thesis of the novel in it and some of the Malcolm stuff, just need to pace it better.
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Originally Posted by trespoochies
Another great part of the book was the demise of Nedry and how graphic Crichton wrote that. I guess the movie version was okay, but dammit how cool would have that been seeing him cradle his intestines in his hands while running away.
I don't remember that. I remember that happening to Wu, but not Nedry.
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Really? You'd refuse to buy a set that includes two movies you seem to like because it includes one you don't? Your choice, of course, but this just seems childish.

As has already been clarified, Crichton's involvement with the sequels was almost exclusively as the guy who created the source material. David Koepp was the credited screenwriter for The Lost World: Jurassic Park, working in part from ideas of Steven Spielberg himself whose only other sequel work to that point had been Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Spielberg really just wanted to play with dinosaurs and make a monster movie in which he was free to do as he pleased, not beholden to a novel.
Well, that's your opinion. Ironically, your comment is the one that's incredibly childish and immature.

To explain it in simple terms you can understand, I won't support a product and pay good money for something sub-par just because a movie company is dictating that consumers have to pay for something they don't want. These types of packages are very often calculated by the company to make more money off of classic material by packaging it with other things they know the public won't buy individually. The Batman box was another example.

The fact that Spielberg just "wanted to play with dinosaurs and make a monster movie in which he was free to do as he pleased, not beholden to a novel" only further illustrates my point. Jurassic Park was a novel years before Spielberg decided to make the movie. If he wanted to make a major departure from the source material in the second movie and "do as he pleased," he should've gotten the rights to Godzilla and re-made that movie instead.

The movie was awful, and the book (while being totally different from the movie) was terrible too. Like I said in my previous comments, it was like Crichton had completely checked out. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn years from now that Crichton created the outline and let a ghost writer actually write the book. If you've read all of Crichton's books, you know that The Lost World sticks out like a sore thumb. It's nowhere near as good as the rest of his work.

I really liked the way the novel of JP1 started out with the compy's reaching the mainland of Costa Rico. I expected The Lost World to pick up this storyline but sadly it never did. A movie of dinosaurs hiding in the forests of a developed country and slowly terrorizing and taking over would've be much more suspenseful and interesting than a T-rex running around like a retarded Godzilla through downtown San Diego.
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Yeah, there are bits and pieces of Crichton's Jurassic Park in every movie. Personally, I'd love to see someone like Matthew Vaughn helm a page by page adaptation of the book --perhaps minus the Malcolm chaos theory rants.
Absolutely! That would be amazing. I've always thought of the first novel as more like Jaws than the movie Spielberg chose to make.

You gotta hand it to the guy though. He sure made money hand over fist with JP. He was right on with what the public wanted.
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Well, that's your opinion. Ironically, your comment is the one that's incredibly childish and immature.
Waiting longer and paying more money to buy the individuals strikes me as more immature than refusing to buy a box set when you are interested in 2/3 of the content. No way you'd be able to buy individuals of the Jurassic Parks for less than $19.99 and more likely $24.99. Since the box set would probably be $49.99, it makes no sense to avoid the box just to avoid The Lost World.

Originally Posted by Ignohippo
The fact that Spielberg just "wanted to play with dinosaurs and make a monster movie in which he was free to do as he pleased, not beholden to a novel" only further illustrates my point. Jurassic Park was a novel years before Spielberg decided to make the movie. If he wanted to make a major departure from the source material in the second movie and "do as he pleased," he should've gotten the rights to Godzilla and re-made that movie instead.
Bringing the original into this comment doesn't make sense, since the quote in question is only in regards to the sequel. He follows the original about as closely as any Hollywood adaptation does.
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Well, that's your opinion. Ironically, your comment is the one that's incredibly childish and immature.
I wasn't baiting you.

To explain it in simple terms you can understand, I won't support a product and pay good money for something sub-par just because a movie company is dictating that consumers have to pay for something they don't want. These types of packages are very often calculated by the company to make more money off of classic material by packaging it with other things they know the public won't buy individually. The Batman box was another example.
(sigh) Alright, let's go through this. You appear to be of the mind that these kinds of releases designed to make studios money by putting their product on shelves is underhanded and conniving, and that only the blind little sheep would possibly be stupid enough to support these things. The truth us, you're not striking a blow for informed, critical-minded individuals here. You're griping about a package of commercialized entertainment sold by the legal owner of the content in question. You're not living the 21st Century civil rights movement here.

The fact that Spielberg just "wanted to play with dinosaurs and make a monster movie in which he was free to do as he pleased, not beholden to a novel" only further illustrates my point. Jurassic Park was a novel years before Spielberg decided to make the movie. If he wanted to make a major departure from the source material in the second movie and "do as he pleased," he should've gotten the rights to Godzilla and re-made that movie instead.
I sing the praises of writers loudly and often, so you'll get no argument from me that using the rights to a story just to create something entirely new is bothersome. That said, we must be mindful of the fact that what works on the page doesn't always work on the screen. When it comes to sequels this is even more pronounced, because once there's a movie version of the property there's a template for what works well.

Think of the James Bond movies. The first three are mostly faithful to Ian Fleming's novels (though no attempt was ever made to adapt them in their publication sequence, sadly). I won't go into Thunderball here, but after that film they were largely just cherry picking character names and scenes that interested them. This approach largely worked for that series. Yes, some movies were disappointing at the time and others haven't held up well over the years.

But before anyone goes rolling their eyes at the Roger Moore era it's important to remember that one of the most successful and popular in the series is The Spy Who Loved Me--and they were only legally allowed contractually to use its title, as Ian Fleming was self-conscious about the story and hated the idea of it ever being made into a movie. Had they not committed themselves to what worked on screen and been slaves to what worked in print, who knows? Maybe the last James Bond movie comes out in 1977 and is a dismal failure, and we now talk about 007 movies the way we talk about Captain Marvel serials.

If you've read all of Crichton's books, you know that The Lost World sticks out like a sore thumb. It's nowhere near as good as the rest of his work.
I've read precisely two Crichton works and I think you can guess which two they were. I can't place The Lost World in the context of his writing. I only know that I liked it better than the film version, but not as well as I liked the first book or film.
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^ Spain? Aren't they bankrupt? What are they doing buying SteelBooks and T-Rex statues?

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Originally Posted by Ignohippo
Jurassic Park was a novel years before Spielberg decided to make the movie. If he wanted to make a major departure from the source material in the second movie and "do as he pleased," he should've gotten the rights to Godzilla and re-made that movie instead.
No. Spielberg knew of the novel before it was even published, and there were bidding wars starting in 1989. Universal bought the film rights for Spielberg before the novel even came out. And of course there's the fact that Crichton wrote the screenplay.
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If you've read all of Crichton's books, you know that The Lost World sticks out like a sore thumb. It's nowhere near as good as the rest of his work.
Agreed. It was clearly a big paycheck deal. What confuses me is that the movie didn't even bother to follow it. The novel itself just seemed like a screenplay written for the upcoming film.

I think the first JP as a film stands on it's own quite well. Of course it's disappointing compared to the novel...though less so at the time of release because at that point we were all amazed just seeing convincing dinosaurs on screen.
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Too bad we won't ever get a Crichton commentary. He mentioned it several years ago on his website it was his intention to do one for all the movies he was involved in, whether he directed it and/or wrote it. His commentary to The Great Train Robbery was rather good, if a little sparse.
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At least we got a commentary for Looker.
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I, for one, really enjoyed The Lost World book, but not so much the movie. I thought it brought in some fresh ideas and in some ways was better at that than the first book, but not completely. The first book was better, but I still thought The Lost World was still good. I read several of Chrichton's books (as I became a big fan of his at the time), but I still thought those two were the best. I didn't read all of them, and I'm sure there are people who like the books I didn't for particular reasons. Everyone has their own opinion. But I think we can all agree that Spielberg dropped the ball with The Lost World. The changes that were made for the first movie I can live with, but the second movie just took the big scene of the trailer on the cliff and that was it. The rest had nothing to do with the movie and, to me, once they capture the T-rex, the movie ends. The whole San Francisco thing is a joke. They also made the velociraptors look dumb after setting them up to be so intelligent in the first movie. Maybe those velociraptors didn't make it to the other island because their DNA got messed up and they ended up dumb.

As for the book, though, I think the only problem I had with it was that they used Malcolm as the main character. The first book was pretty obvious that he didn't make it. He wasn't on the helicopters with them, and even Muldoon (who lived in the book) shook his head when they asked about him. For Crichton to use him then come up with some crazy story that he really wasn't dead was ridiculous and just pandered to the movie people who wanted to bring him back for the movie because Jeff Goldblum was becoming a bit of a hot item for sci-fi movies at the time (being a popular character in the first JP and hot off of Independence Day).

I could complain that the first book teased about raptors being in the jungles and we knew that other dinosaurs had gotten off the island (especially compys), so I thought that was the next logical step. But I didn't mind them doing what they did, as long as there would eventually be a story that expanded on that. But, of course, they didn't really bring that up in the movies, so they probably never will.

And that is where the problem lies. The changes they made to the first movie changed where they storyline could go. Characters that were killed off in the book weren't in the movie and vice versa. I think Crichton was constrained by those changes for further books, in a way, plus the demands of the filmmakers. But now that there aren't any more books, and the movies have their own mythology/arc, I still see some potential. The dinosaurs hiding in the jungle idea was pretty good (not the Yosemite National Park that was brought up as a potential Jurassic Park movie years ago). I also liked the character of Muldoon and hated that they killed him off, but they never really showed it. And since they didn't destroy the island in the movie (like they did in the book), I always wanted to see a team go back to that island where they would find Muldoon scarred both physically and emotionally after being left on the island for all those years, but also a bada** dinosaur hunter. Being that it's been almost 20 years, though, it would probably be a stretch, now, but may still work. Who says they couldn't place the timeframe differently?

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I don't remember that. I remember that happening to Wu, but not Nedry.
It was definitely Nedry. It happened while he was trying to escape with the embryos. Pretty much the way it did in the movie, but it was described in the book. He wasn't in the vehicle, though. The dilophosaur blinded him then ripped open his belly. He couldn't see anything, but he reached down and felt his intestines falling out. Later the others found him being eaten by compys. I couldn't remember the Wu character, so I looked him up. In the movie he just left on the boat, but in the book he did have his intestines ripped out of him, as well, by a raptor.

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The Lost World: Jurassic Park – 2 hours, 9 minutes
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Jurassic Park
Directed By: Steven Spielberg
Produced By: Kathleen Kennedy and Gerald R. Molen
Screenplay By: Michael Crichton and David Koepp
Based on the Novel By: Michael Crichton
Director of Photography: Dean Cundey
Production Designer: Rick Carter
Film Edited By: Michael Kahn, ACE
Music By: John Williams
Live Action Dinosaurs: Stan Winston
Full Motion Dinosaurs By: Dennis Muren, ASC
Special Dinosaur Effects: Michael Lantieri
Dinosaur Supervisor: Phil Tippett
Special Visual Effects: Industrial Light & Magic
Cast: Sam Neill, Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, Richard Attenborough, Bob Peck, Martin Ferrero, B.D. Wong, Samuel L. Jackson, Wayne Knight, Joseph Mazzello, Ariana Richards

The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Directed By: Steven Spielberg
Produced By: Gerald R. Molen and Colin Wilson
Screenplay By: David Koepp
Based on the Novel “The Lost World” By: Michael Crichton
Executive Producer: Kathleen Kennedy
Director of Photography: Janusz Kaminski, ASC
Production Designer: Rick Carter
Film Editor: Michael Kahn, ACE
Music By: John Williams
Live Action Dinosaurs: Stan Winston
Full Motion Dinosaurs By: Dennis Muren, ASC
Special Dinosaur Effects: Michael Lantieri
Special Visual Effects: Industrial Light & Magic
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Produced By: Kathleen Kennedy, Larry Franco
Written By: Peter Buchman and Alexander Payne & Jim Taylor
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Executive Producer: Steven Spielberg
Director of Photography: Shelly Johnson, ASC
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Cast: Sam Neill, William H. Macy, Tea Leoni, Alessandro Nivola, Trevor Morgan, Michael Jeter
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The press release says 7.1 audio and the specs say 5.1

I'd be happy either way , but I'm hoping for 7.1
Old 06-27-11 | 12:13 PM
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I wasn't planning on getting this, but since it's the "Ultimate" version I've completely lost all my previous willpower...
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Re: Jurassic Park? (Quick question)

Always planned on getting this one immediately upon release
Old 06-27-11 | 05:16 PM
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Re: Jurassic Park? (Quick question)

Wow, Universal! That box actually looks good, unlike the DVD artwork. And it appears all the bonus content from the DVDs--including the bonus fourth disc in the Trilogy box set--is being ported over, so I'm thrilled about that. The Making of "Jurassic Park" was one of the first behind-the-scenes VHS tapes I ever owned, and one of the earliest that I bought for myself. Along with From "Star Wars" to "Jedi": The Making of a Saga and Star Trek: 25th Anniversary Special, it was a key reason for my passionate curiosity about film-making. Glad to see it's included in the Blu-ray release.

Money-wise, I can't say how much of a priority it will be since there's an awful lot vying for our few discretionary dollars this year, but I'm stoked about eventually getting hold of this release. Fortunately, a local theater is screening the first film on 30 July and if I can make it to that, that ought to tide me over.
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Re: Jurassic Park? (Quick question)

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X
I wasn't planning on getting this, but since it's the "Ultimate" version I've completely lost all my previous willpower...
Yeah...all I cared about was JP1 honestly...but...all this special features...can't resist.

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