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a lot of pointless bickering here. the simple reality is that neither format is finished tinkering with their specifications, just as dvd continued to upgrade their standard many years into their lifecycle. the difference appears to be that one format has anticipated this rolling upgrade pattern with the adoption of profiles, while the other has not. the process is simpler for hd dvd with only one manufacturer, and hence few real compatability problems to overcome, but the end effect (early devices becoming less useful in the course of time) may well end up being the same.
as to which standard to chose if your deciding right now that's a tough question. hd dvd decks are cheeper, while the ps3 is perhaps greater value for money (taking into account speed of use and the additional ability to play games, lacking as they are at the moment). the catalogues currently released are fairly analogous. prices are still too high for the average buyer. so it all comes down to what happens in the future, with regard to software releases, exclusivity agreements, and price drops. in the realm of highdef media it still pays to be a soothsayer! |
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
a lot of pointless bickering here. the simple reality is that neither format is finished tinkering with their specifications, just as dvd continued to upgrade their standard many years into their lifecycle. the difference appears to be that one format has anticipated this rolling upgrade pattern with the adoption of profiles, while the other has not. the process is simpler for hd dvd with only one manufacturer, and hence few real compatability problems to overcome, but the end effect (early devices becoming less useful in the course of time) may well end up being the same.
as to which standard to chose if your deciding right now that's a tough question. hd dvd decks are cheeper, while the ps3 is perhaps greater value for money (taking into account speed of use and the additional ability to play games, lacking as they are at the moment). the catalogues currently released are fairly analogous. prices are still too high for the average buyer. so it all comes down to what happens in the future, with regard to software releases, exclusivity agreements, and price drops. in the realm of highdef media it still pays to be a soothsayer! |
region coding and triple layer would disagree with you.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I'm not agreeing with the bolded part. Blu-ray is not done tinkering with their specifications. HD DVD's specs are final and were set when they launched last April.
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They may never even incorporate triple layer. The quality of HD-DVD titles now are astounding and they don't really need another layer. I had no problem with having a 2 disc set on HD-DVD for Transformers, as we get it with regular DVD sets. Triple layer was a way to close the disc space gap between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, but at this point in the game, that argument hardly comes up anymore, if ever. There are better things to contemplate when thinking of the format war than just disc space, as HD-DVD has proven that all that disc space isn't required to make something look amazing.
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Originally Posted by mzupeman2
They may never even incorporate triple layer. The quality of HD-DVD titles now are astounding and they don't really need another layer. I had no problem with having a 2 disc set on HD-DVD for Transformers, as we get it with regular DVD sets. Triple layer was a way to close the disc space gap between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, but at this point in the game, that argument hardly comes up anymore, if ever. There are better things to contemplate when thinking of the format war than just disc space, as HD-DVD has proven that all that disc space isn't required to make something look amazing.
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As far as Profile 1.0 standalones being obsolete, 'obsolete' is probably not the best word to use in this instance because it has several meanings. 1.1 machines will be replacing 1.0 machines "with something newer or better", which is one meaning of obsolete, but not the most commonly used. The more common usage is "no longer in general use" or "no longer in use". So both sides arguing whether 1.0 standalones will be obsolete or not are correct. Since the more common use, according to the dictionary, is "no longer in general use", coming up with a more precise word for 1.0 machines than 'obsolete' is probably a good idea unless the intent is to create FUD.
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Could you point me to the source of this announcement? I would like to see what insider has announced that only a firmware upgrade will be needed, and the three players in question.
Pro-B http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=338 OK - I've waited about as long as I possibly can on this one! Too much pressure and PMs now, so I'll have to come clean. I hope my sources will not mind, as I held out as asked. I have tried to answer all PMs, so I'm sorry if I missed any. Rumor: TL51 playing fine on 1st Gen XA1 My source is....... Engineer within HD DVD Link - N/A I have sent additional info to mods Time frame til confirmation - Likely within 3 months Your certainty level of confirmation[scale 1-10] - 9 Comments: We all know by now that the 2nd and 3rd Gen HD DVD players are stated in various interviews to have no problem at all with TL51 discs said to be coming soon. However, there was an open question on the First Gen HD DVD players, the A1 and XA1, which use the identical first gen drive internally. Well folks, They already have a standard XA1 playing TL51 discs just fine, and it was modified in firmware only. Both the drive and the player itself received firmware updates. The drive itself can be updated as part of the regular firmware download or CD, justas the player can be. All HD DVD drive feature PRML chips capable of 39 megabits per second, and the tables are also updated for allowable PRML combinations. I am sure that there is more fine tuning and testing going on, but essentially, the question of backwards compatibility is answered. Of course, nothing is official till an official statement, but don't expect one until closer to CES in January. I hope most of you understand that I had to hold this info back for as long as I could - much of what I said a while back was OK, but this one was special I have a good idea of what the first TL51 title may be, and the studio, but that is unconfirmed and would only cause problems for everyone if I started discussing it, but as I hear it, you will know in January if all goes well. Again, all 2nd and 3rd Gen HD DVD players were never in doubt. Any of these will apparently play TL51 discs just fine. But it's nice to hear that they have the first Gen working in testing, since it bodes very well. |
Originally Posted by Burnt Thru
region coding and triple layer would disagree with you.
TL, at this point, is still in developing stages. You are trying to compare something that may never come out with something (Profile 1.1) that will in 10 days. Don't. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Can we link to AVS?)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=338 Again, just a rumor, but no more of a rumor then something paidgeek or peyton posts that you love to post here as "fact". 1. To the best of my knowledge rdjam is not an engineer. Paidgeek is. 2. I could go on and rip the statement apart as it is utterly contradictory (from the assuring confirmation for second generation machines and their compatibility with TL to the more lenient exit quote "apparently") as it is speculative (implying a chosen title). Since you, however, are not the source of this announcement I will comment on it when the touched upon 3-month frame is over. Ciao, Pro-B |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I should have guessed that it is Rdjam who made the announcement so before I echo Mallet's words above and we move on I must point that:
1. To the best of my knowledge rdjam is not an engineer. Paidgeek is. 2. I could go on and rip the statement apart as it is utterly contradictory (from the assuring confirmation for second generation machines and their compatibility with TL to the more lenient exit quote "apparently") as it is speculative (implying a chosen title). Since you, however, are not the source of this announcement I will comment on it when the touched upon 3-month frame is over. Ciao, Pro-B Regardless, all these wonderful stand alone Blu-ray players will be obsolete soon. I am going to enjoy the explosion on various forums with "Where is the BLANK extras? I can't find it" with the response "Oh, it won't play on your machine. Works great on my SONY PS3." |
I'm pretty sure Pro-B said that the PS3 would get an upgrade, not every single player.
We're beating a dead horse. Let's move on. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
(Can we link to AVS?)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=338 Again, just a rumor, but no more of a rumor then something paidgeek or peyton posts that you love to post here as "fact". Please tell me you're not using what rdjam is saying as fact. He's not even an insider. He's the equivalent of beatboy for the red side. I'll take what paidgeeks says over rdjam since paidgeek actually has a hand in what goes down for BR. |
Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Please tell me you're not using what rdjam is saying as fact. He's not even an insider. He's the equivalent of beatboy for the red side. I'll take what paidgeeks says over rdjam since paidgeek actually has a hand in what goes down for BR.
also, i agree with the poster who said that "obsolete" is not an appropriate term to use for the blu-ray profile situation. at worst, you could call profile 1.0 players "crippled" - at best, "functionally limited." |
The term for the Blu-ray situation is...not HD DVD. Functionally limited sounds like a term to describe a quadrapolegic prostitute.
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Please tell me you're not using what rdjam is saying as fact. He's not even an insider. He's the equivalent of beatboy for the red side. I'll take what paidgeeks says over rdjam since paidgeek actually has a hand in what goes down for BR.
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I'm open to Blu Ray when the specs are finalized and the prices come down...I enjoy movies after all, not looking at my neato player...it really seems that some people have a pathological hate towards HD DVD and won't admit one damn thing wrong with Blu Ray or even give HD DVD a spin.....trying to debate people with such pathological hatred is pointless and a big waste of time...so feel free to post inane press releases or deny the obvious since I am retiring from debating this silly subject.
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Originally Posted by chanster
I'm open to Blu Ray when the specs are finalized and the prices come down...I enjoy movies after all, not looking at my neato player...it really seems that some people have a pathological hate towards HD DVD and won't admit one damn thing wrong with Blu Ray or even give HD DVD a spin.....trying to debate people with such pathological hatred is pointless and a big waste of time...so feel free to post inane press releases or deny the obvious since I am retiring from debating this silly subject.
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea
Why don't you give Blu-Ray a spin now although the "specs" haven't been finalized? In my opinion HD-Dvd and their players are nowhere near finalized although they want you to believe so. There are some great movies already out on Blu-Ray and some damn good special features on some of them. The movies play fine and the audio is outstanding on several of the Blu-Rays on the market. If you ask for some people to give HD-Dvd a shot then you to should give Blu-Ray a shot. Don't try and sell a man a shot of your preferred whiskey if you aren't willing to try his.
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Originally Posted by kefrank
agreed. rdjam's posts on avs are as fanatical as the crazier stuff i read on blu-ray.com.
also, i agree with the poster who said that "obsolete" is not an appropriate term to use for the blu-ray profile situation. at worst, you could call profile 1.0 players "crippled" - at best, "functionally limited." |
Well, although I greatly appreciate the resolution of high def, I don't think it is a $400+ upgrade on a standard DVD player. (plus the cost of the movies themselves).
I got a HD A2 at a great price and it serves me to upconvert my standard DVDs. I'm happy, and I would consider a Blu Ray player if the price dropped in the mid to lower $200...I figure that will be happening sooner rather than later and can wait..for both the price and specs to come out to my liking. If HD DVD dies, I paid no more for my player than I did for my upconverting DVD player (I returned that to Costco) so I feel it is no risk. |
Making final decision on blu-ray vs. hd-dvd
I posted a few weeks ago and was, based on eProductWars, going to go with blu-ray, but I noticed that HD has a lot more going on on Amazon right now. For example, they're having a buy-a-player-and-get-five-discs-free sale.
So now the decision feels like one between a) buy a system and dvds for a lot more $ but with slightly more chance it will win out, or b) buy a system and dvds for not much $ with slightly less chance for winning. Can I learn anything from what I see on eProductWars or Amazon? I'm thinking perhaps I should just wait for one of the sides to capitulate, and hold off on HD this year. |
I'd just jump in and buy a format now, but that's just me.... why didn't you post this in YOUR OTHER THREAD, instead of starting a new one?
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You can buy a PS3 or any Blu-Ray player for that matter and get five free discs as well. And if you hold off for this year then you might as well hold off for next year as well. The war in Iraq will probably end sooner than this high definition war.
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joe-dvd-man2's posts are reading more like a plug for eProductWars than a legitimate request for help making a decision. Closing thread.
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