Having 20x more Blu-Ray players sold that gap SHOULD be much wider...but its not...

Less than one movie sold per player if you want to count PS3 units, but it has become clear that only a 1/4 of PS3 owners at most should really be counted in to Blu-ray movie support.

Of course with both formats not even making up 1% of DVD sales its kind of pointless to worry about the numbers too much.

I love how the argument changes from week to week regarding the PS3. One week, the HDDVD people are saying that PS3 should not be expected to increase disc sales much. The next week, when BD is destroying HDDVD in disc sales, the argument is: well they have 20x more players so the sales lead should be way more.

Make up your mind peope!

Actually, I think the two arguments work hand-in-hand. Allow me to illustrate:

IF the PS3 should not be expected to increase disc sales much, AND, by counting the PS3 as a BD player, the ratio of disc sales to player sales is still remarkably less for Blu-ray than it is for HD DVD, THEN, the PS3 has not helped to increase disc sales much.

Only because of the lack of HD DVD releases from Dec-March.

I think Digital Bits even said more Departeds were sold for Blu Ray. Couldn't even find the HD DVD in Best Buy. That had to hurt sales.

Would it be completely out of line to question the journalistic integrity of an article which only gives space to quotes from Blu-ray pushers? Did they even try to get the HD DVD perspective?

In the spirit of the news itself, I would even settle for the HD DVD side only receiving 30% of an opportunity to retort!

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Bingo was his name-o.

Articles like this always seem very biased.

1) They never mention that HD DVD had zero new releases for a three week period in March, when Casino Royale was released.

2) Comparing The Departed disc sales does not seem real fair when the HD DVD is a combo and priced about $5 more than the Blu-ray version.

3) How many stand alone players were sold in the quarter? I have a strong feeling HD DVD easily outsold Blu-ray in that category.

I am an HD DVD backer, and you make very good points, but aren't those bigger issues for the HD DVD format than the article. I'm all for some HD DVD reponse, but if the response is "We aren't releasing titles" and "Our discs cost more", I'd rather they just leave the response out.

There's already a healthy discussion going on in the General BD thread:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread....&page=31&pp=25

Please continue this discussion there. I will copy relevant posts from this thread to that thread.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

Universal and Microsoft have had responses and quotes in similar previous articles. They usually do mention the slow first quarter release schedule, but they mention the numerous planned hardware and software future releases and the attach rate for disc sales.

My main problem with these articles is that they are trying to make HD DVD sound like it is completely dead, when that is far from the truth. The general public is already confused and uneducated enough.

I dont see it as destroying. Yes, sales are better for BD over the past few months. But, HD-DVD hasnt released much recently. They have a larger lineup coming up.

Those who think this war is over or close are fooling themselves. Things could change on a dime.

70% to 30% for the year.

How many number of BD movies released compared to HD DVD through this time period?

I've yet to find a single online reference that displays an accurate listing of BD titles from Jan-March. Every single one seems to list titles that were cancelled (like the Fox stuff).

So if anyone can provide a number for BD, it would be appreciated.


I believe that HD DVD had 34 releases during Q1.

72 Blu-ray released in Q1
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/rele...istorical.html

28 HD DVD released in Q1
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/relea...istorical.html

Here you go
ETA: oops, Mr. Pan beat me to it.

In other words, out of 100 high definition discs released in the first quarter, BD had 72% of the total number of releases, but only sold 70% of the total number of high def discs.

Would that be a fair way of looking at the numbers?

Looking at real sales which I actually have access to, I can say that some titles seem to sell better on HD-DVD and some sell better on BD. There is one catch though: the titles that sell better on BD do it by a much larger margin as opposed to the HD-DVD.

I know you probably can't list the actual titles, but would it be correct to say that in general, catalog titles tend to do better on HD DVD, while day/date releases (or at least, fairly recent theatrical releases) do better on Blu-ray?

That was definitely the way it looked in the report Sony released.

So just about 70/30 then. Shocking. Perhaps, just maybe, BD sold 70% of the discs because they released 70% of the discs?

Definitely cannot do that!!

Not neccessarily there are some that seem to have done better on BD surprisingly, at least in my eyes.

I think you may be onto something there...