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Old 11-30-06 | 10:11 PM
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BD and HD DVD are extensions of DVD technology, essentially. I would say that the lack of interactive features is how these formats aren't being used to fill their potential. Not filling up available space is just lazy.
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Old 12-01-06 | 04:07 PM
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Couldn't wait for a PS3 so I just picked up a Panasonic Blu-Ray player. I'll compare it to my Sammy once I get the time to hook it up.
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Old 12-01-06 | 06:37 PM
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Fox is offering replacement discs for the Speed BD. This is a quick response.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ment_Discs/372
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Old 12-02-06 | 09:56 AM
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Couldn't wait for a PS3 so I just picked up a Panasonic Blu-Ray player. I'll compare it to my Sammy once I get the time to hook it up.
Hmm...curious to know what the $300-600 premium gets you. What does having 7.1 analog outs get you if you already have a HDMI receiver? Can't those 7.1 signals be passed through HDMI anyway?
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Old 12-03-06 | 11:35 AM
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Sorry if this has been mentioned.

Apprently Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas Mavericks and HDnet) is a Blu-Ray supporter.

I was watching the REd WIngs came last night on HDnet and they ran a bunch of Blu-Ray commercials. Not one HD-DVD commercial.

Makes sense to have a dedicated HD channel run ads for the HD discs.

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Old 12-03-06 | 11:44 AM
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SOrry if this has been mentioned.

Apprently Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas Mavericks and HDnet) is a Blu-Ray supporter.

I was watching the REd WIngs came last night on HDnet and they ran a bunch of Blu-Ray commercials. Not one HD-DVD commercial.
All this means is that Blu-ray paid for ad space but HD DVD didn't. Has nothing to do with the personal feelings of the network owners.
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Old 12-03-06 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Apprently Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas Mavericks and HDnet) is a Blu-Ray supporter.

I was watching the REd WIngs came last night on HDnet and they ran a bunch of Blu-Ray commercials. Not one HD-DVD commercial.
You're not watching enough HDNet. They had the Toshiba HD-A1 ad in heavy rotation for a long while.

HDNet's showing ads for the companies who write 'em checks, and right now, that's Blu-ray. I mean, would you say that NBC is a Snapple supporter because they show Snapple ads?
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Old 12-03-06 | 01:43 PM
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You're not watching enough HDNet. They had the Toshiba HD-A1 ad in heavy rotation for a long while.

HDNet's showing ads for the companies who write 'em checks, and right now, that's Blu-ray. I mean, would you say that NBC is a Snapple supporter because they show Snapple ads?
D'oh-sorry I spoke too soon.

I've heard Cuban is usually very involved with HDnet's operations, and I guess I assumed it wouldn't have happened without him OK'ing it. Not that it has any influence on me, but there do seem to be more Blu-Ray commericals on TV these days.
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Old 12-03-06 | 02:06 PM
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Hmm...curious to know what the $300-600 premium gets you. What does having 7.1 analog outs get you if you already have a HDMI receiver? Can't those 7.1 signals be passed through HDMI anyway?
You'll need the analog outs for advanced codecs (TrueHD, DTS-MA) that the receiver will not be able to decode with it's internal decoders even if you have HDMI. I'm not sure if the Panny will decode those over HDMI or just the analogs. I posted my thoughts on the Panny in here

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Thanks, so technically you only need 7.1 if you have those extra two speakers setup?
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Old 12-07-06 | 09:07 AM
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Old 12-07-06 | 11:32 PM
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Looks like I am back in the BD ball game, at least for the time being. Just found out that my fiance just won the 3rd place prize at her companies annual christmas party. why they are having thier christmas party in the first week of december is beyond me but she got the 3rd place prize which is a gift certificate for a Panasonic BD player. I had originally purchased the Samsung player but ended up selling it when the quality of the initial releases was so poor. Looks like somebody up there just doesnt want me to be without a BD player :-)

I am not sure if we are keeping it or not so if there are any people out there that might be interested in buying this off of us send me a messege. well definitly cut you a deal. Ill update this post when we decide what were going to do with it. While one part of me would like to keep it cause its free and ill now be able to get those BD only movies I want, another part of me says sell it cause I am just not a big BD fan. Since my fiance won it it will really be mostly her decision but she is almost more pro HD-DVD than I am so it will be curious to see what she wants to do. Either way at this point and time we have both HD-DVD and BD in our household again. I swear she has luck unlike anybody I have ever seen before.

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Old 12-07-06 | 11:44 PM
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Unless you have little or no interest in Fox and/or Sony titles, I would keep it.
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Old 12-08-06 | 01:28 AM
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Sell that thing. The second generation Blu-ray stuff will be out next spring. You can fetch a good price for it and if you decide to get a Blu-ray player in the future chances are it'll be better and cheaper to boot.
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Old 12-08-06 | 02:02 AM
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Unless you have little or no interest in Fox and/or Sony titles, I would keep it.

Honestly there are some Fox titles I am interested in but I dont see those even being released for a quite awhile. Sony Pictures has a couple but nothing much really. Its the monetary value of the item that is really making me want to sell it. If it was only a couple hundred bucks I would just say the hell with it and keep it but this thing can easily fetch 1k I would think, brand new and still sealed in the box that is.

My fiance was too drunk to talk about anything tonite, she went straight to bed so ill find out more tomorrow on where she stands on the whole thing. My bet is she will probably want to sell it and put the money towards some speakers for our bedroom. We were looking at that new Yamaha YSP-800 Digital Sound Projector. Its one individual Speaker with like 21 drivers and 2 woofers on it. Its basically a fake surround sound system in one speaker and they run like 800 bucks. Anyways we dont want a full surround system in our bedroom and those things sound great. We almost got one a couple weeks ago but backed off because we have spent so much on home theatre stuff latly. We could basically sell this and get that. Who knows tho, she may just want to keep it since she won it. I really just have to wait and see how she feels about it. Me personally, there just isnt enough in BD at the moment to make me really want to keep it.

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Old 12-08-06 | 07:44 AM
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Sell it for full price, buy the speakers, and then use the other $500 for a PS3.
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Old 12-09-06 | 10:33 PM
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From the http://www.thedigitalbits.com: Bill Hunt mentioned “Meanwhile, Warner has informed me that the studio is committed to catching up with their Blu-ray Disc releases in 2007, so that all previously released HD-DVD titles will be available on Blu-ray as well, and future titles will be released on both formats simultaneously.”
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Old 12-09-06 | 10:47 PM
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Porno, what's the word on that Panny?
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Old 12-10-06 | 03:17 PM
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I'm starting to wonder whether or not I should drop BD now. I would still rank HD DVD above BD in terms of overall performance. I still have alot more HD DVD titles, 43 to 16 BD titles. Even with the PS3 out, I still get the feeling that HD DVD has the better momentum. I may wait until CES to see if we have any defections. But I haven't invested too much so far. I'm just not sure supporting 2 formats is the smart thing to do.
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First Review of the Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 Blu-ray Player

Pioneer Player Reviewed

The Elite BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player, Pioneer’s first and the industry’s most advanced to date, just arrived along with the Elite PRO-FHD1` 50” 1080p Plasma monitor, which served as the review display. The BDP-HD1 incorporates a number of exclusive Blu-ray player firsts, including an Ethernet jack for downloading future firmware updates and a built-in Home Media Gallery that when interfaced with your home network allows PC-stored content playback on your HDTV.Unlike the Sony BDP-S1’s unusual reflective blue faceplate, the Elite sports the line’s traditional piano black gloss finish. Like the Sony, Pioneer locates the transport controls on the front panel (play, stop etc.), duplicating all major remote functions underneath a pull down door—a convenience feature the Sony lacks. The Sony and the Pioneer share identical rear panels save for the presence of the Pioneer’s RJ-45 Ethernet jack and the Sony’s fan vent.

Commencing set-up made clear that there were more similarities between the BDP-HD1 and Sony’s BDP-S1 than just the rear panel, as the two share identical on-screen instruction graphics, looks, placement and some fonts. The open drawer revealed the two players use the same disc drive as well, leading me to ask a Pioneer representative who builds its player. I was assured that Pioneer builds its player, including the drive, which makes it clear that Pioneer also builds Sony’s player.



The BDP-HD1’s 1080p/24 frame output was selected. Timing the boot-up time from off (with a disc already inserted in its drawer), took a 1 minute 25 seconds to play. With the BDP-HD1 powered on (using the same Blu-ray disc) play commenced in 34 seconds, an identical time to the Sony.


Comparing features of the Pioneer against the Sony revealed every function was duplicated. The Pioneer adds its Home Media Player allowing video content located on your PC to be viewed via connection to your home network. The BDP-HD1 accepts standard and high definition video files (Mpeg 1, Mpeg 2 and Windows Media Video HD/VC-1).


The Pioneer also plays from music content stored on your PC, (.wma, .mp3 and .wav files) using your audio system connected to the BDP-HD1. Photos may viewed as well if they are in the JPEG, PNG or GIF formats. Time constraints did not allow the HD Guru to sample the Home Media system; any issues or comments will be reported in an updated blog entry.


The BDP-HD1 will play the same DVD format discs the Sony Blu-ray player handles (see the list in the Sony BDP-S1 review) and will play (according to a Pioneer spokesperson) BD-R/RE recordable discs, a feat the Sony can not currently perform.


Playable Blu-ray audio formats are identical to the Sony’s as well; it too will not play CDs. The Pioneer BDP-HD1 owner’s manual clearly states DTS-HD (lossless format) is played as regular DTS and Dolby TruHD and Dolby Digital Plus is played as normal Dolby Digital, facts that the Sony BDP-S1 manual woefully omits.


The BDP-HD1 and the Sony BDP-S1 were connected to the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 via HDMI, with both players set for 1080p/24 fps output. User settings on the plasma were adjusted to the SMPTE standard with a Sencore 403 signal generator (output set to 1080p/24). This was followed by displaying the SMPTE color bars found within the Easter egg on Talladega Nights Blu-ray disc (accessed from the disc menu by pressing top menu on the remote control followed by 7669 + enter). The players’ video controls (white level, black level, color and hue) were adjusted to the SMPTE standard. (It should be noted to the videophiles reading this; both players will pass blacker than black once adjusted).


Identical Blu-ray discs (The Fifth Element and Memento) were played on the machines and paused in the same point. Switching back and forth, while viewing the plasma screen at a two-foot distance, the images appeared identical, with the same color and sharpness. This came as no surprise. The images looked as fantastic on the Pioneer as it did on the Sony.



The bottom line, Pioneer’s ability to connect to the internet to add the inevitable product updates to its player is a big plus. The alternative (as with all other freestanding Blu-ray players) is to register with their respective companies and wait for an update disc to be mailed to you. The HD Guru prefers its more conventional appearance. Add the Home Media capability, its two-year warranty (double its competitors) and potential buyers may justify its $500 price premium ($1500 retail) over the Sony BDP-S1. The Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 earns the top ♥♥♥♥ HD Guru rating.
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Old 12-10-06 | 06:51 PM
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Playable Blu-ray audio formats are identical to the Sony’s as well; it too will not play CDs. The Pioneer BDP-HD1 owner’s manual clearly states DTS-HD (lossless format) is played as regular DTS and Dolby TruHD and Dolby Digital Plus is played as normal Dolby Digital, facts that the Sony BDP-S1 manual woefully omits.


OUCH. That's a big blow for BluRay. This is the "top end" player.,
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OUCH. That's a big blow for BluRay. This is the "top end" player.,
It's not a good thing but let's not forget that these are all 1G players.

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Old 12-10-06 | 07:46 PM
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It's not a good thing but let's not forget that these are all 1G players.
Yeah, these are 1G players, but how long have CDs been around? I could probably make a coffee maker that plays CDs if I wanted to. The idea that it's not in a top of the line Blu-ray player is absurd.
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Old 12-10-06 | 08:00 PM
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Considering they can play DVDs, they really ought to have allowed for CD playback. They probably had to write it out of some old software to avoid it. Which is quite bizarre.

But those 2 posts were about these players not decoding the NEW audio formats, just extracting the old core from them. And THAT is truly absurd. At least for Pioneer. I can see Sony being that stupid.

So basically, these will not play your old discs, and are underpowered for new discs. Thanks, guys. I'll be sure to get my $1300 ready.
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So basically, these will not play your old discs, and are underpowered for new discs. Thanks, guys. I'll be sure to get my $1300 ready.
Pioneer is the most expensive. It's $1500 I believe.
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