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Old 11-16-06 | 12:47 AM
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Toshiba Corp said Wednesday it will roll out two new players for the High-Definition DVD format in late December for the Japanese market.

In an attempt to sharpen its competitiveness against Sony Corp's recently launched PlayStation 3 game console which can play rival Blu-ray format entertainment titles, Toshiba set the price of one of the two new models substantially cheaper than its predecessor
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Old 11-16-06 | 09:16 AM
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In an attempt to sharpen its competitiveness against Sony Corp's recently launched PlayStation 3 game console which can play rival Blu-ray format entertainment titles, Toshiba set the price of one of the two new models substantially cheaper than its predecessor
Keep in mind that in Japan the only "predecessor" model was the HD-XA1. The lower-priced HD-A1 was exclusive to the U.S. market. The new "substantially cheaper" model is likely the HD-A2 or an equivalent.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:01 AM
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Been looking at the French release of Total Recall, but I'm a little bit hazy on region coding with HD DVD...

Will my A1 play a European import?
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:04 AM
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Been looking at the French release of Total Recall, but I'm a little bit hazy on region coding with HD DVD...

Will my A1 play a European import?
There is no region coding on current hd-dvd discs and hardware.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:09 AM
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And there are zero extras on the imports, afaik.

I'd rather wait to see if LG comes around.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:13 AM
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Credit to Alex on AVS for bringing us some CED news.

SPHE: "PS3 will catapult the format....Consumers tell us they want choice...[PS3] is just another choice for consumers. The content providers' job is to provide choice. This is the best one yet."

Fox: "PS3 is what will change things. Wal-Mart is interested in the new format. In Europe we are having discussions with [retailer] Carrefour and other big players. It's important for dealers to support the format....In an ideal world one format would have been better, but it's very easy for the consumer to choose, consumers choose very clearly and fast...We will look at hardware sales. We won't put movies in stores if there aren't enough players to play them on..."

Disney: "Whatever is out there people are buying. People are buying all the titles....DVD value for retailers is going down. Retailers are 100% behind new formats. They add value and dealers are absolutely 100% behind getting formats established....We shouldn't be frightened of change. People update their computer every other year."

Paramount: "We're seeing interest from channels that are not usually leading edge -- across the board. We are seeing the same dealer support in Europe...We are supporting both formats. We are letting the consumer choose. Time will tell how it pans out..."

Warner: "If they had an HDTV and wanted more to watch on it, I'd say there is no reason to wait...I'd tell them there are two formats and which player to buy should depend on their brand preference, and whether they want to pay more for more features from Blu-ray or get more value for the money from HD DVD. Consumers make these decisions every day, for instance between plasma, LCD and projection....If both formats are out there for a while it will become more and more difficult for a studio to be only on one side. The content issue then goes away. It becomes content neutral -- much like games. Games are either exclusive to one system or are on all formats and format neutral."
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:13 AM
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I'd rather wait to see if LG comes around.
Yeah, thats the approach im taking.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:15 AM
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Credit to Alex on AVS for bringing us some CED news.
I thought the other information was MUCH more interesting...but at this point, I'm not sure which thread they would fall into.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:21 AM
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I thought the other information was MUCH more interesting...but at this point, I'm not sure which thread they would fall into.
What other info? I wanna know!

I would think the general info threads would be fine to post these updates. It affects both.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:24 AM
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There is no region coding on current hd-dvd discs and hardware.
Thanks, that's what I thought, just wasn't sure.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
I thought the other information was MUCH more interesting...but at this point, I'm not sure which thread they would fall into.
Me neither, I didn't know if this should go in the Hd-dvd thread, the Blu-ray thread, or both.

Anyway, the most interesting news is the yields and cycle times Cinram is getting for DL Blu-Ray discs.

70% yields - 4.5 cycle time.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:27 AM
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What other info? I wanna know!

I would think the general info threads would be fine to post these updates. It affects both.
this posting:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8913007

And the other news about Toshiba is...
For Europe, Toshiba will manage to ship "a quantity of units" of the HD-E1 in December, with the big brother HD-EX1's manufacturing schedule (not shipping, per se) pushed back until January 2007.

For Japan, Toshiba will ship *both* the HD-XF2 and the big brother HD-XA2 in late December. No quantities or prices mentioned. And I'm not 100% sure those model numbers are correct--any help, lymzy or Rio?

For NA, Toshiba will delay the HD-A2 to "early December" but refused to disclose a specific date; they also reaffirmed that the big brother HD-XA2 is still on for December delivery, but they did *not* specifically reaffirm the original 3rd week target release.

The part issue only impacts the entry level models--the high end models are not impacted. Still, they are slipping the high end in Europe. Hmmm.

No word if planned (announced and unannounced) title releases will be reshuffled by studios because of Toshiba coming in late for XMAS.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
What other info? I wanna know!

I would think the general info threads would be fine to post these updates. It affects both.

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Old 11-16-06 | 11:44 AM
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And there are zero extras on the imports, afaik.

I'd rather wait to see if LG comes around.
That is correct, all of Canal's releases are movie only (so far).

I can understand the sentiment of waiting to see what LG does. However, Canal does have the distribution rights to several films that are under Sony's control in the US.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:46 AM
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That is correct, all of Canal's releases are movie only (so far).

I can understand the sentiment of waiting to see what LG does. However, Canal does have the distribution rights to several films that are under Sony's control in the US.
For Sony films, I might pick them up. I have a feeling that I'll be waiting a bit longer for Sony over LG.
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Old 11-16-06 | 11:50 AM
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You'll definitely be waiting "just a bit" on Sony ...
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Old 11-16-06 | 12:32 PM
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Any word yet on how many units the 360 add-on has sold(or shipped) thus far?
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Old 11-16-06 | 12:41 PM
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Any word yet on how many units the 360 add-on has sold(or shipped) thus far?
Not precise numbers. All we know is that demand is still showing to be very high and MS's target was around 400-500K units this year. They had a target of around 10 million 360s this year so that would mean they expect to sell the HD add-on to somewhere around 5-10% of the total market.
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Not precise numbers. All we know is that demand is still showing to be very high and MS's target was around 400-500K units this year. They had a target of around 10 million 360s this year so that would mean they expect to sell the HD add-on to somewhere around 5-10% of the total market.
Wait a sec. Half a million units by the end of 2006 or within the next 12 months? Cuz the former would be a monumental success. It not only would match the initial userbase of PS3's, but the 360 add-ons would all but guarantee at least a few HD-DVD software purchases per unit vs. the PS3's effect on the Blu-ray Disc market which is a crapshoot at this point.
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Old 11-16-06 | 03:36 PM
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I'd rather wait to see if LG comes around.
Me too. Unfortunately, their approach to extras on BD hasn't exactly been stellar. I'll be curious to see how things like Total Recall are treated on a (theoretical) US HD DVD. The DVD wasn't exactly amazing -- a commentary, a 30-minute documentary, some stills... yet those didn't make the transition to HD.

I would think that including a commentary track and 45 minutes (max) of SD extra content would be pretty trivial from a space perspective.
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Old 11-16-06 | 03:52 PM
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Me too. Unfortunately, their approach to extras on BD hasn't exactly been stellar.
I think its because they didnt have room for them. Isnt the Descent a BD50 and has alot of extras announced?
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Old 11-16-06 | 03:59 PM
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I think its because they didnt have room for them. Isnt the Descent a BD50 and has alot of extras announced?
Re: The Descent. Yes, I think so, which definitely gives me hope.

I could understand the "didn't have room" argument for something like T2, which has so many extras (between the Ultimate and Extreme standard editions). But Total Recall? We're talking about an audio commentary and about 40-ish minutes of standard def video. I don't see how they couldn't fit that (along with the 113-minute feature) on a BD25.

I'm hoping that it was just an oversight while they were "testing the HD waters" early on.
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I think its because they didnt have room for them. Isnt the Descent a BD50 and has alot of extras announced?
Yes. It's the unrated cut and releases on 12/26 and is loaded with stuff on a BD50:

• 2 Audio commentaries: with director Neil Marshall, and director Neil Marshall and cast and crew
• Documentary: "Making of 'The Descent'"
• Featurette: "The DesEnding"
• Deleted and alternate scenes
• Outtakes
• 2 Still galleries
• Theatrical trailer

HD Feature: Picture-in-picture video commentary

also has a 6.1 PCM track that should rock.
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when did this become "BD news"

in other HD news...

By the end of 2006, Toshiba expects about 170 HD DVD titles will be released in the U.S., 70 in Japan, 40 in Europe and 20 in Australia. "We expect that the sales of HD DVD products by March will reach the initially planned 600,000 units," said Fujii. Also, Toshiba predicts 4 million HD DVD players for 2007 and 8 million for 2008. More than 2 million of those will be PC drive. The 3G plan is ready. Memory-Tech is also ready for 10 million HD DVD per month.
http://www.channelweb.com/sections/a...ChannelWebNews

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Wait a sec. Half a million units by the end of 2006 or within the next 12 months? Cuz the former would be a monumental success. It not only would match the initial userbase of PS3's, but the 360 add-ons would all but guarantee at least a few HD-DVD software purchases per unit vs. the PS3's effect on the Blu-ray Disc market which is a crapshoot at this point.

If memory serves me correct then MS was looking at a Dec 06 time frame for the 360 to hit 10 million units, but, early to mid 2007 might be more realistic. Their HD add-on figures are probably running with the 6-10 million units sold figure. So we are looking at 300K to 500K units based on a "fairly low" 5% attach rate. The real question, as you asked, is when do they hit 10 million consoles. That remains to be seen.

The fact is we know they have shipped over 6 million units, and are poised to have a really big Nov-Dec with few PS3s available and exclusive games like Gears of War out. I think 400-500K within six months is possible.
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