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Forrester also says video quality is most important to consumers, so the networking, extra interactivity and high-end audio offered standard on HD DVD won’t sway consumers toward that format.
If video quality is most important, I don't see how they would come to a conclusion that BD will be the winner. They are still playing catch up for most titles that are released on both, and I can't think of one that has been reviewed as better for BD. That entire read makes little sense. |
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
DFNYC, If you're going to quote something from Robert on AVS, atleast quote the ENTIRE thing he said
"Keep something in mind vis-a-vie Lionsgate. Senior management only made the decision to go forward with HD DVD a few of weeks ago. Manufacturing capacity for HD DVD is still very limited and one look at the most recent updates on planned releases between now and December makes it obvious that anyone this late to the party is likely at the back of a fairly long queue to have material authored and replicated. Lionsgate will make an announcement when they have something to announce. That could be before the end of this month. I doubt it will be any later than November." When reading that its almost 100% confirmed LionsGate will be supprting HD-DVD. While we won't get any released until late November/Early December, that is still right around the same time the 'all pre-orders are done for in 3 hours from EB/GameStop' PS3 system. Good luck for those who have not pre-ordered and do not want to wait in a line for 42 hours to secure one. Want to get a 360 + HD-DVD addon instead? Shouldn't be tough. |
I saw this article on IGN today about the format war. http://gear.ign.com/articles/738/738270p1.html
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Originally Posted by XavierMike
I saw this article on IGN today about the format war. http://gear.ign.com/articles/738/738270p1.html
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Disney is also expected to go neutral during CES. Could mean that BluRay only has Sony, Fox, and I *think* MGM as exclusives....so far.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Disney is also expected to go neutral during CES. Could mean that BluRay only has Sony, Fox, and I *think* MGM as exclusives....so far.
Every time a CE company on the BDA side of things has even hinted or is rumored to sell a HD-dvd player or dual format player, we get a nice press release stating they remain exclusive to Blu-Ray and have no plans at the current time. Why have we not seen any studios jump out denying it? I would assume when the Lionsgate execs have these questions coming at them, as we heard about this week, they would have tried to silence it officially by now. I think 2-3 years from now we'll probably alll be laughing, and still fighting of course, as both formats are still hanging around with all studios supporting both, save maybe one oddball. Guess who!!! The question is at what point in time would Sony decide they are better off making money selling both? |
I've heard people talking about MGM like they're going to be neutral, too, but I don't know exactly what's up with them.
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And again, as I stated, makes me wonder if others like Paramount or WB might end up choosing one side over another if they see that it might not benefit them to be neutral.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Forrester also says video quality is most important to consumers, so the networking, extra interactivity and high-end audio offered standard on HD DVD won’t sway consumers toward that format.
If video quality is most important, I don't see how they would come to a conclusion that BD will be the winner. They are still playing catch up for most titles that are released on both, and I can't think of one that has been reviewed as better for BD. That entire read makes little sense. If Bluray EVER gets it's act together, it will be equal, never better. Sony tried to force the game to be played using Mpeg2 - this would have been very cunning, since Mpeg2 required the extra space that Bluray was "supposed" to have been able to deliver. Trouble is, HD DVD wasn't dumb, they used VC1. The game never played with the ball and pitch Sony wanted. Meanwhile they believed their own hype and truly thought that Mpeg2 could be untouchable at these bit rates - which was... ready for it? ... WRONG! Just look at this review excert for Click, the first (reverent hush...) 50 Gig bluray disc: "'Click' comes to Blu-ray with a bit of historic import. The first-ever BD-50 dual-layer disc to hit the format, this one has a lot of expectations riding on it. If 'Click' looks anything short of fantastic, it may be seen as a bit of a disappointment by some... Now, the big question -- is all the hype surrounding BD-50 justified? Of course, it is impossible to truly know after watching only one title, and there is no BD-25 version of 'Click' to compare anyway... One caveat, though -- and this could well be indicative of the source material -- I did find that darker scenes and some of the more vibrant colors appeared a bit too alive with movement in the form of slight video noise..." |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
And again, as I stated, makes me wonder if others like Paramount or WB might end up choosing one side over another if they see that it might not benefit them to be neutral.
*Don't think WB is not pushing other studios to offer discs for sale on both formats. Their "we are offering consumers both" ad that came out a few months ago was directed at the studios and retailers. http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...warnerhdad.jpg |
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Possible. But Warner is the real heavyweight* one way or the either when it comes to leading the industry. Hd-dvd was their preferred format but they couldn't argue with the PS3 sales expectations and what it "might" mean.
*Don't think WB is not pushing other studios to offer discs for sale on both formats. Their "we are offering consumers both" ad that came out a few months ago was directed at the studios and retailers. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
And again, as I stated, makes me wonder if others like Paramount or WB might end up choosing one side over another if they see that it might not benefit them to be neutral.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I don't see how some studios going neutral would make currently neutral studios think it's a bad idea to stay neutral.
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Well, considering you posted your comment about WB and Paramount right after my MGM comment, I thought you might be referring to it.
P.S. Like my new user title? ;) |
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Well, considering you posted your comment about WB and Paramount right after my MGM comment, I thought you might be referring to it.
P.S. Like my new user title? ;) |
:lol: I bought it just for Click. Adam Sandler in HD = me spending thousands of dollars I wouldn't normally spend. ;)
Oh, wait, I already have Happy Gilmore on HD DVD! *runs out to return Sony VAIO* |
Originally Posted by HiFiLux
DD+ 1.5 mbps blows DD 640 k to kingdom come and back... BD should have included mandatory decoding but decided to go cheap on royalty and licensing fees.
But the birds, the birds, they be coming home to roost now... |
On October 31st, Warner is releasing 4 Blu-Ray discs. 50% of those discs will be on BD50 - Unforgiven and The Searchers (here's hoping for exclusive features!). Paramount has also announced that World Trade Center will be on a BD50. Damn, these things must be really tough to make, because Click is a token BD50 disc. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
On October 31st, Warner is releasing 4 Blu-Ray discs. 50% of those discs will be on BD50 - Unforgiven and The Searchers (here's hoping for exclusive features!). Paramount has also announced that World Trade Center will be on a BD50. Damn, these things must be really tough to make, because Click is a token BD50 disc. :rolleyes:
As for World Trade Center, since its a new title, you might be right. They might have some features that they dont include on the hd-dvd, but who knows. Maybe have them in HD?? |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
On October 31st, Warner is releasing 4 Blu-Ray discs. 50% of those discs will be on BD50 - Unforgiven and The Searchers (here's hoping for exclusive features!). Paramount has also announced that World Trade Center will be on a BD50. Damn, these things must be really tough to make, because Click is a token BD50 disc. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by matome
I don't care about extras, but if the space is there why not fill it?
Paramount has done the same, but since WTC is a new movie, it could potentially have extras in HD and possibly exclusive ones. I wouldnt hold my breathe for exclusives on the WB side though. |
Well, that sucks for BD then.
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Funny how BD people "could care less about extras" but HD DVD people do. That's an interesting divide. I wonder if BD could include all extras from the beginning they would be caring more.
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Originally Posted by matome
I don't care about extras, but if the space is there why not fill it?
I feel pretty confident that the main doc on The Searchers was produced in high-def, and it'd be a nice feather in Blu-ray's cap if it were presented that way on the BD release rather than the anamorphic widescreen version on the HD DVD. |
Originally Posted by DthRdrX
I think 2-3 years from now we'll probably alll be laughing, and still fighting of course, as both formats are still hanging around with all studios supporting both, save maybe one oddball
Studios want to go HD even more than we want it. They get superior copy protection (DVD being cracked already) and they can resell everything they own again (not to metion double/triple dips on HD discs). The push is coming from the fact that DVD sales are slowing/peaking. They know a format war only delays their goal of moving to HD. Not only that it slows DVD sales (from people holding off waiting for the winning HD format). They want the format war to end even more than we do. It made sense at first to support Blu-ray because Sony made it sound like the best thing since sliced bread. When Sony didn't deliver (and now is getting its butt kicked by HD DVD because of it) naturally they are rethinking their options. Remember their goal is to move to HD and resell their catalogs so it certainly doesn't hurt that HD DVD outsells Blu-ray by a healthy margin. Given their motivations, their best stance would be to go neutral which would move as much product as possible and let the market end the format war quickly. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
On October 31st, Warner is releasing 4 Blu-Ray discs. 50% of those discs will be on BD50 - Unforgiven and The Searchers (here's hoping for exclusive features!). Paramount has also announced that World Trade Center will be on a BD50. Damn, these things must be really tough to make, because Click is a token BD50 disc. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Funny how BD people "could care less about extras" but HD DVD people do. That's an interesting divide. I wonder if BD could include all extras from the beginning they would be caring more.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
I wonder if BD could include all extras from the beginning they would be caring more.
Of course they would! That was supposed to be the whole point of BD50-- more capacity for more and better extra/special features-- ALL IN HIGH-DEF and so on. This is the only BD differentiator-- they need BD50 bad... and extras to make it worthwhile. |
Originally Posted by awmurray
Rhetorical question, I know, but...
Of course they would! That was supposed to be the whole point of BD50-- more capacity for more and better extra/special features-- ALL IN HIGH-DEF and so on. This is the only BD differentiator-- they need BD50 bad... and extras to make it worthwhile. |
Put some snappy editing in there to really make the dancing seem more exciting, and it *might* help. |
Originally Posted by darkside
Exactly. This is what Blu-ray is all about if you read the stuff Sony has been saying for the past year or two. This format was never about craming a movie on a BD25, it was about those BD50 discs with high bit rate audio and a ton of extras.
(1) BD and HD DVD won't be much different in content. If the content comes to <30GB, then it'll fit on 1 HD DVD or 1 BD. If it comes to <50GB, then it'll fit on 2 HD DVDs or 1 BD. If >50GB, then it'll fit in multiple discs for both. Not really an advantage to either format. As many said before, "ON 2 DISCS" may be a big selling point. (2) They won't be much different in production cost either. By the time HD discs go mainstream, production costs should be pretty close. More importantly, both will be very profitable. |
Originally Posted by namja
(2) They won't be much different in production cost either. By the time HD discs go mainstream, production costs should be pretty close. More importantly, both will be very profitable.
If the other doesn't, then, no, it won't drop in production costs. |
Interesting, G4 just interviewed a few people on the street asking about the PS3. One said he loves his 360 and a couple of the others questioned the price. None said they would buy it.
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Originally Posted by namja
(2) They won't be much different in production cost either. By the time HD discs go mainstream, production costs should be pretty close. More importantly, both will be very profitable.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
On October 31st, Warner is releasing 4 Blu-Ray discs. 50% of those discs will be on BD50 - Unforgiven and The Searchers (here's hoping for exclusive features!). Paramount has also announced that World Trade Center will be on a BD50. Damn, these things must be really tough to make, because Click is a token BD50 disc. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
Very true. When you figure that popular videogames sell in the millions (FFX sold 1.9M copies in 4 days - in Japan only!), economies of scale say that production costs will go way, way down. In fact, I bet the the first disc on either format to sell 1 million copies will be a game.
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I wonder how game production will factor into the production of the discs for movies??
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
You're still putting data on the same type of disc either way. If that data's compiled code for a PS3 game or a John Waters movie, it's all the same to the machines churning out the discs.
Im assuming that games dont need BD50, so those resources would go towards movies...right? |
Some more info from AVS about...
LGF & Disney have already made their decisions. It would be incredibly difficult to change their minds not to mention expensive. These companies are party to the information about Onkyo, Integra, & the Chinese players. This with the MS addon adds depth to the CE field. Sales aren't going to get "worse." Right now it's worst projections are strong enough for a niche market. With lower player costs on the near horizon, HD-DVD will look better and better. |
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