Agreed 100%. As all studios move into AVC and VC-1 it is looking like the BD50s will be used for games and extras. Hd-dvd could just use a second disc for that kind of stuff. The real advantage Blu-Ray may have in the future is the added bandwidth the format offers. It still remains to be seen if that will be an issue for HD-dvd though.

I don't think we'll see even one game on BD50 this generation.

I didn't mean PS3 games, but the small Java games Disney has been stated to be interested in.

Ah, yes, that makes more sense.

Are we even going to see any 1080p games in this generation?


...because the word is 1080p eats up the VRam.

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I think MS announced some upcoming game was planned to be 1080p, but really, I think we'll see a token few and they won't actually look as good as the 720p.

Well then... all this fucking hype about PS3/1080p capabilities was never about the games.

Should have seen this coming. :mad:

This is really not something that should be hyped by those hoping BD wins. Seriously, just drop Philips from your vocabulary.

Everytime I hear the name Phillips I think of CD-I. I have no idea why ....

There is a bigger chance of me caving in and buying the PS3 over a $900 Phillips player.

I think the games and interactivity will only matter on Disney titles. Seriously, what grown adult wants to defuse bombs as Keanu Reeves? :lol:

The addition of "games" to a home video format doesn't make any sense to me. It only makes sense for animation titles where small children might want to be entertained for a few minutes. But I see this as a largely useless feature. The problem with "games" on DVDs wasn't that they weren't cool enough, it was that they were "games" and were unnecessary.

To put it another way, gamers usually don't like games with lots of long full motion video cutscenes in between game time.

I'm inclined to agree with this, and even then, only to a small degree. As the parent of 2 children who've watched their fair share of Disney titles, they've never expressed an interest in doing anything other than watching the movie.

If they want to play games, they do so on the PC or game console. Pure and simple. Adding games to movie titles is a swell little extra, but I don't believe for one second that anyone is going to choose a hi-def format over the fact that it's included on disc...

Its true, but the 360 only upscales over VGA which probably very few people are using.

That said, it is nice that it does it at all.

Sorting out the spin from the truth in all of this has been difficult. The PS3 not supporting upscaling to me is not that big of a deal. I can"t imagine the DVD playback being much more than an afterthought anyway.

Why would I want to play a video game when I bought the disc to watch the movie? I would much rather have the space that the game uses put to improving the picture/sound quality.

Some interesting numbers, on IMDB's daily poll:

Have you purchased a Blu-Ray or HD DVD yet?

No
(98.3%)

Yes
(1.7%)

A total of 6714 votes were collected.

So Talawhatever is free with a PS3. You get the Theatrical Version of the movie with no Extras. This is what Sony has in mind to save Blu-Ray? Considering you get component cables inside the box...it will look like a normal SD DVD. Congrats Sony. With 10 Million or so Battery recalls you will atleast defeat Sega in this system war.

No, to start Bluray. (saving it will be a much greater task) And I don't know what you mean about component cables, perhaps you meant composite? And, even though I helped the discussion of it, the battery recall has absolutely nothing to do with BD or the PS3.

PS3 will be coming with Component cables (Green/Red/Blue)...not HDMI cables which is what makes the difference between Tallawhatever Nights looking like a normal SD DVD and a Blu-Ray title.

While the battery recall has NOTHING to do with the PS3/Blu-Ray it IS bad press.

As long as ICT is not enabled for this title (and there's no reason to think otherwise), component will carry HD just fine.

Actually, Spiky is right. The PS3 comes with composite cables.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/740/740460p1.html

Looks like Taldega will look like an SD DVD.

Yep, you have to also buy an HDMI or Component cable to go with that PS3 or you get all your Blu-ray movies in lovely 480i.

Nice one Sony. As bad as that is I think one of the $1000 Blu-ray players also ships without an HDMI cable.

God, I just never tire of hearing/reading that. ;)

But actually, I meant what Drexl said. I hadn't looked up what is shipping in the PS3 box. But component is just fine for HD, composite is not.

That article suggests it only has the composite wire in the box. I wouldn't actually expect them to ship component cables with it, goes against their cheapitude.

Yup, the $1300 Panasonic.

Wait. Sony put COMPOSITE cables inside the box with the $600 PS3? SERIOUSLY? You have GOT to be kidding me. Way to go Sony!

I'm amazed people are bitching over included cables.

I would prefer all of these folks to not include cables (they have no clue what my setup is, and what cables I already have). Save me cost on the consoles, and I will buy my own cables much cheaper, and most likely I will replace anyway (and it might make a bonus in the +column for your console on cost).

But, will the cables require a proprietary connection to the PS3 like the 360? I bet you won't be able to use generic componant cables.

You think because Sony chose NOT to include component or HDMI cables the savings is passed down to you? Nope. They know they can sell them for $30 an $50 EASILY. Why give something away for free if you can charge for it?

The same goes for every console as well. MS was just smart enough to include component cables with a $400 system while Sony chose NOT too with a $600 system. Where are those price comparisons again?

Good point. I didn't take that into account.

You are probably right on that crap.

Every system since 1996 have required a proprietary cable. I think NES the last one to allow generic cables...No Sega system has, no Sony....

My point was trying to say, it's not Sony....

My (dreamworld) pref is for all consoles to just throw down the standard I/O.

The PS3 is a proprietary connection, but it will use the PS2 component cables, for those that have a PS2 with component.

The XBox does too, correct?

The 360 connection is proprietary, but it's a different connection from the original Xbox connection, which was also proprietary.

You could use a generic HDMI cable though, I believe.

For the PS3, yes. There's no HDMI connection on the 360.

Yeah, we're stuck using VGA for 1080p. Now, I'll just have to decide if the 1080i to 1080p difference in worth the cable upgrade. I'm leaning toward not. (1080p native monitor)

Considering Microsoft has not yet enabled 1080p on the 360, I'd say it's a moot point for now.

The problem is that most consoles use a proprietary input interface to hook those cables up. You can buy a component cable, but it has to be Sony's component cable. I will admit up front that I am ignorant of wether Sony has changed this trend on the PS3 and offered straight composit and component hookups.

What makes not including an HD-capable cable a problem for them is that the PS3 is not just a game console; it's also a BD player intended to get people to buy BDs. If they don't include a cable capable of carrying HD signals with the console, there are going to be a lot of people confused as to why their snazzy new disc format doesn't look any better than DVD.

Granted, even if they included an HDMI cable, people whose TVs don't have HDMI inputs might assume that anyway, but at least then they might conclude that they need to use the HDMI cable to see the movie in HD. With no HD-capable cable, people might assume there's no way they would have shipped the console without the right cable, and give up on BD.

There will likely be at least one review of the PS3 by a professional writer (with an HDTV) slamming the BD format for being no better than DVD, just because he doesn't have the right cables.

Maybe they will include a note with the system mentioning that in order to take advantage of Blu-ray you need an HD TV along with a component or HDMI cable?