If every single HD DVD and BD looked like TFE and got a double-dip two months after release, I'd agree completely with you. But not even every BD looks as bad as TFE, nor will they get a re-release so soon.

It does claim "Remastered in High Definition" on the back of the Ultimate version. And it looks absolutely fabulous on my 720p TV, better than some HD shows. So there must be something really wrong with the BD version.

I believe Adam was talking about YOU. Your intent was to troll this thread (which is about a specific title) with HDDVD/BD war issues that are irrelevant. IIRC, you don't even like this movie and wouldn't buy it regardless of the war. Not sure why you'd even click on the thread. If you truly didn't "get" my comment to stop it, perhaps this one is more clear.

Really? cause i don't see you having EITHER format at this point because of your snobbish attitude. So really, wouldn't you be trolling in ANY thread in this forum? I'm not sure why you'd click on ANY of them.

That clear enough for you?

As someone else said, he's technically correct. Blu Ray has nothing to do with DVD, technically.

There's a lot of HD-DVD discs that look great and don't need to be remastered. I've heard a few complaints on specific ones: Full Metal Jacket, A Perfect Storm, and maybe one or two others.

Blu Ray, on the other hand, has complaints on each of their releases, regardless of studio. As a possible future Blu Ray owner, I would certainly avoid any of the releases before VC-1 encoding and dual-layer BRDs.

Your attitude has always been clear. (except when you reverse gears) I dare say you have the most well known attitude on this board. Restating it is redundant. And takes threads off topic.

And trolling, as I'm sure you well know, is based on the particular thread topic, and means that a post is made just to receive negative responses, or to ruin the discussion. I do not troll. I most certainly have HD at my house, and will have HD discs at some point and can therefore discuss them, per the rules of any forum I've ever been to, including this one. I saw HDDVD in person before you did, if memory serves. (haven't bothered to seek out BD)

And, once again, I don't see anything snobbish about wanting a complete player (like one that can decode all the audio formats) at a reasonable price before I buy. YOUR attitude that people are idiots for waiting and ought to all run out and buy an under-featured $500 machine is snobbish in this particular case, IMO. These machines are all over-priced since they are first-gen products, the BD players ridiculously so.

Fine.
But, if we're going to play semantics, then y'all mean "officially", not "technically". (as in, DVD Forum Approved) Technically, they both have the same things in common with DVD although not much, and are closer to each other in most technical ways than they are to DVD. If we feel like a technical discussion about the similarities and differences, let's move it to another thread.

Wouldn't dream of owning one of these poor releases. I think I'd rather stick with DVD if those are still the only 2 options years from now. Call it spite or whatever.

I'm considering picking up that Ultimate Edition of TFE on DVD. It's got the Superbit on the first disc, and special features on the second.

I saw HD DVD on the promo tour. When did you?

I never said ANYONE was an idiot. If anyone wants to wait, that's their prerogative. Please post where I said otherwise?

Your initial post was inflamatory. You oh so eloquently told me to "shut up" when I made a completely valid point that others have backed up. There was nothing "troll-like" about it. And I'm not even sure what the "best buy" comment was about. Regardless, BD is NOT a part of DVD whether you want to make it that or not.

I don't even understand why you personally attacked me in the first place. Did I do something to you? Let's end this foolishness. Life's too short for this bullshit.

Just for the record, and with all due respect, Adam, I was not the one who made a personal attack. If Spiky's right about something, then I'll say it. In this case DFNYC is right. However, Spiky's last comment that both technologies are more like each other than DVD is absolutely spot-on.

I would say that both technologies are pretty much the same too, but it looks like neither is doing as well as they should be doing.

Sony aint going to exchange shit, and everybody in this forum knows it. Its just a way to sell more copies of the same movie..and pretty much par for the course for Sony. Its a double dip, and I'm sure we will see another 4 releases of this movie in the next 10 years.

Bus, I think your reasoning is all-wrong. When Sony could have re-mastered 5th, it chose not too because it figured all the early adopters would buy it anyway, damn the quality. Then they sell a new copy "re-mastered" just to get some more cash from people.

While that certainly seems to be the case, it's definitely a questionable approach to take with a launch title for your new proprietary format.


I've got to question why anyone at Sony would allow such a mediocre ("less than pristine") transfer to hit the streets, with all of the $$$ they have riding on blu-ray.

When people can play a $10 superbit copy on a $30 wal-mart DVD player and find that it looks basically the same, those $1000 BD players are going to be a pretty hard sell. Again, not a very logical way to launch your "beyond high definition" format.

Sony as a hardware manufacturer makes great stuff.
As a software manufacturer....
hmm.....

I think they aren't going to waste any time to multi-dip because that's the new trend now. No more double dipping. It's going to be Multi-dipping.

maybe he clicked on to see what TFE was since it isnt spelled out in the thread title or in the first post.

I am positive that when Sony executives look at consumers, they see sheep, and they can see the shears in their own hands. Nothing they have done have been in the interest of the consumer. And I know it's a business, but in the end, the business that treats its customers with respect is the one who will get the most customers. Sony is not doing that. And with the exception of a few blinded cult-like fanboys, most people are starting to realize it.

Sony DVD people have their own numbers to hit, just like the Sony hardware people. The Sony DVD people want multiple releases, I'm sure the Sony hardware people either didn't know it sucks or (b) only cared about number of titles at launch (and given the problems of software support for early Blu-Ray - I think it is probably a little bit of both.

I'm sure when they release 5th Element in a "good release" they will blame the newness of Blu-Ray as the reason for the shitty first transfer...which isn't the truth at all.

Anyway you look at it, its a shitty way of doing business.

No shit....

Actually..... it wouldn't surprise me if the release schedule for TFE went like this

1. BD25-Mpeg (Shitty Transfer)
2. BD25-Mpeg (Remastered Edition)
3. BD50-Mpeg (Blu-Ray Superbit)
4. BD50-VC1 (Blu-Ray Superbit Ultra)

Change 4. BD50-h.264 and you're in the right ballpark.

They are re-releasing too soon for this to be a money-grubbing exercise. What have they sold, 1000 copies? That's probably losing money at this point.

Well, the money grubbing comes in if they do not take the bad version off the shelf and at least provide an exchange program.

For example, when Universal released Jurassic Park with no LFE on the DTS track, they setup an exchange process. For a while, it seemed like Universal had alot of trouble with their releases (Back to the Future and Spy Game were 2 others). Sony should do the same and setup an exchange.

What happened with Spy Game?

On some players, you couldnt turn off the subtitles....my Toshiba 5109 at the time had that problem. I think Fast and the Furious tricked out edition had a similar problem.

I sent mine in and they replaced the disc.

I need to re-watch that movie. I have the DVD and need to see if I even want the HD version.