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awmurray 07-31-06 11:02 AM

Sony plans first HD double dip on TFE
 
According to Sound and Vision, Sony is planning a double dip on TFE:


On top of that, parts of some discs had been transferred from less than pristine film assets, exhibiting the kind of dirt and scratches seen in a worn print. Sony has now committed to rereleasing The Fifth Element for just this reason.

GIjon213 07-31-06 11:04 AM

Wow, Sony with the first double-dip, who'd uh thunk?

The Bus 07-31-06 11:51 AM

This isn't a "double dip" which indicates a studio going back and releasing the same thing with a different package. This is a new, better version of the film based on better elements.

It would've been nicer if Sony had used those elements to begin with but this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

Gizmo 07-31-06 11:59 AM

Thts good. The disc came out 2 months ago and they already plan on a new better release. Let me guess...they won't be replacing anyones who already purchased the shitty version, right?

Drexl 07-31-06 12:04 PM

If they're still going to use MPEG-2 on this one, there may be a demand for a triple dip.

gimmepilotwings 07-31-06 12:31 PM

yet another reason to wait 12 months before joining next-gen DVD.

RockStrongo 07-31-06 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
This isn't a "double dip" which indicates a studio going back and releasing the same thing with a different package. This is a new, better version of the film based on better elements.

It would've been nicer if Sony had used those elements to begin with but this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

Unless they are planning to reissue to those who purchased the first one, I consider this a double dip.

awmurray 07-31-06 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
but this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

Unless they issue a recall or disc exchange program then I'd call it a double dip.

But I understand what your point is.

EDIT: Rock beat me to it...

RockStrongo 07-31-06 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

If you lookup the word greedy in the dictionary, it says "see Sony"

Mr. Cinema 07-31-06 01:19 PM

I'll ask the obvious, why the hell didn't they do it right the first time? A double dip this early in the format...

Vipper II 07-31-06 01:56 PM

I wonder how long it will take before Sony debuts Superbit titles on Blu-Ray. Bluperbits. :D

bboisvert 07-31-06 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
This isn't a "double dip" which indicates a studio going back and releasing the same thing with a different package. This is a new, better version of the film based on better elements.

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning above, but if they're re-releasing the film in a better version and not considering the first one 'defective' and allowing a direct trade in, then it seems like the textbook definition of double-dip.

Mammal 07-31-06 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Vipper II
I wonder how long it will take before Sony debuts Superbit titles on Blu-Ray. Bluperbits. :D

Quite amusing. Good one.

jiggawhat 07-31-06 02:51 PM

I had a feeling they wouldn't be waiting too long. And that film assets excuse is so bogus. The DVD they just released was in near pristine shape and I'm sure that they could have gotten the master from that.

Shit like this really makes me hate Sony.

Fettastic 07-31-06 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
This isn't a "double dip" which indicates a studio going back and releasing the same thing with a different package. This is a new, better version of the film based on better elements.

It would've been nicer if Sony had used those elements to begin with but this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

It's a double dip unless they pull all remaining copies and replace them with the new ones, and offer an exchange program for anyone who purchased the original version. Unless all those things happen, it's a double dip.

digitalfreaknyc 07-31-06 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
yet another reason to wait 12 months before joining next-gen DVD.

You're mistaken.
Actually, next-gen DVD is HD DVD. BD isn't DVD. So this has zero bearing on HD DVD.

Spiky 07-31-06 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by jiggawhat
I had a feeling they wouldn't be waiting too long. And that film assets excuse is so bogus. The DVD they just released was in near pristine shape and I'm sure that they could have gotten the master from that.

Shit like this really makes me hate Sony.

You'd think they would have mastered in HD in the first place. I suppose all the DVD double-dips were from the original DVD master, which did predate HD, unfortunately.

Spiky 07-31-06 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
You're mistaken.
Actually, next-gen DVD is HD DVD. BD isn't DVD. So this has zero bearing on HD DVD.

Oh, shut up. Nobody said this was HDDVD. Go picket your Best Buy instead.

Qui Gon Jim 07-31-06 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Thts good. The disc came out 2 months ago and they already plan on a new better release. Let me guess...they won't be replacing anyones who already purchased the shitty version, right?

If there is no replacement program, it is a double dip. In this case it would be a quintuple (IINM) dip.

Qui Gon Jim 07-31-06 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Spiky
Oh, shut up. Nobody said this was HDDVD. Go picket your Best Buy instead.

Technically speaking, he's right. BD is NOT the official successor to DVD. HD-DVD is officially endorsed.

All that aside, one bad disc with a double dip is hardly a reason to "avoid HD for a year."

Adam Tyner 07-31-06 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Technically speaking, he's right. BD is NOT the official successor to DVD. HD-DVD is officially endorsed.

Right. We all knew what was intended, though, and let's not start attacking each other over semantics.

awmurray 07-31-06 04:21 PM

It'll wind up being a triple dip.

The second one will have a better picture (w/o the scratches, etc.).

The third will include that plus any extras they leave off b/c of space issues. This is assuming BD50.

digitalfreaknyc 07-31-06 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Right. We all knew what was intended, though, and let's not start attacking each other over semantics.

we do? I'd love to know.

I didn't even get his comment other than it being typical Spiky bullshit.

jiggawhat 07-31-06 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Spiky
You'd think they would have mastered in HD in the first place. I suppose all the DVD double-dips were from the original DVD master, which did predate HD, unfortunately.

That's exactly what I thought. I wonder if the latest DVD edition said mastered in High Def like some of their other titles. Anyone have a copy and can comment?

This is one of my other reasons to wait on jumping to the high def bandwagon because I know some of the studios will pull shit like this especially Sony who has practically turned multi-dipping into an art.

RoboDad 07-31-06 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
...this second release is out of necessity due to earlier incompetence, not due to greediness.

Well, to be completely honest, we don't actually know that, at least not yet. If Sony offers a free trade-in/replacement for existing owners of the (now acknowledged as defective) BD, then I will be much more inclined to agree with your statement. But if they don't, then I'm not so sure.


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