sorry, I missed that.


But the system doesn't need to have an HD or BD drive to support high-def gaming. All 360 games are in HD.

The XBOX 360 games may be in HD, but a DVD is limited in the amount of HD content that it can hold. This in turns limits the amount of content and what can be done with a game. Can the content be better or more complex? The answer is Yes, but the real question is whether people care.

It will be interesting on how things turn out.

I'm sure someone here can give us some numbers, but the storage capacity of a disc is not the limiting factor for graphics on the 360. Video takes up a ton of space and the 360 couldn't, of course, have a game with hours of HD video, but for HD gaming, the DVD format is more than enough.

As already stated, most people won't care about the Blu-Ray player in the PS3... but will have no choice but to pay for it.

Sony could also add more features and charge $1000, and that can be considered a better value... but who wants to pay that for something they may not need? Bottom line... the PS3 is too pricey for most consumers regardless of the fact that it comes with Blu-Ray.

Let's not forget that after forking out all this money for a console, the consumer would still have to purchase the games - otherwise what was the purpose of the PS3? Most people purchase at least two games at launch, and at $60 a game we're talking serious damage to the wallet when they leave the store.

Also, you're assuming the HD-DVD for the 360 will be $199 US... it may wind up being $149. We don't know yet.

Well...and then there are people who are only in it for BR and are having to buy a video game system because it's their cheapest option. Ridiculous.

I can easily afford a 1,000 car but I can't afford a $1000 pen. Both are the same price but one has more value. Just as the Playstation 3 may be alot more expensive then the Wii but as ten times the value.

The $200 price tag leaked at Xbox.com so its all but official.

If you can afford a $1,000 car, you can afford a $1,000 pen. But, like most sane people, you choose not to buy the pen because you can get a substitute product for less money that is acceptable to you. The PS3 may indeed be a good value if its blu-ray player is of high quality AND blu-ray wins the format war. Trying to understand how we all value products we like is impossible. I would never drop $600 on a PS3 because I think that is an absurd amount of money to pay for a gaming system. But I have $700 speaker cable. I have been wanting to pick up Quake 4 for the 360 for a while, but haven't yet because $60 seems like a lot of money for a game like that. But I went out to lunch with a friend after an exam yesterday and picked up the $60 tab and thought nothing of it. What I'm trying to say is that, like almost all consumers who have some, but not unlimited, money, I am insane.

oh god.

he's back.

I think the same thing. I hem and haw about $10 more on a game and then I gladly pay that much for two drinks.

I am completely aware of it, but still do it all the dang time.

ps. 10 bucks for TWO drinks! lucky! I'm going out now to have some $12 drinks.

I think the better value would be to spend $600 to get a Wii and a Xbox 360 rather than just getting a PS3.

And I won't bump up to the $30 shipping on a $2000 online purchase of a toy. Does that make me cheap or frivolous?

Costco

Tough call. If history is an indicator, there will be more games for PS3 than the other 2 combined. Plus, it's a BD player.

Course, it could go the other way and M$ will take over the top spot. Never know.

This is the direction many are heading. There will be solid games on all three though so I will definitely be tempted to get a PS3 down the road when the price finally starts to drop.

I think this is the better value as well if you're a gamer.

If you're not interested in HD movies, then $600 is just too much for one console. Two consoles for the same price will get a family more entertainment.

I got a 360 first. I'll get the Wii next, but no way I'm paying $600 for a PS3. I'll get one eventually, but not at that price. I would also be buying it for gaming as I've already chose to back HD-DVD.

When do trolls get banned? I have had it up to here with this tool presenting his biased opinion as fact over and over and over and over and over. ENOUGH!

PS3 Sux. Wii rulzz! 360 roxors. You read it here first. Jesus!

Clearly your time out did nothing to get through to you.

I'd bet $1,000 that the $1,000 pen would last longer than a car costing $1,000. For car deals like that, in my area we have to go to Larry's Krazzzy Kar Lot. $1,000 pens usually are sold in high end stores.

Of course my opinions are biased. They are my opinions and its how I feel. I was very unimpressed with the Wii. I think the graphics are crap. They look several steps below the real next gen consoles the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3. Ohh it has a different controller that makes up for its pitiful graphics. What are message boards except places to give our opinions.

That's cool that you think that graphics are what make a game good. Others, myself included, feel that the you can have an amazing game without amazing graphics.

I guess that's why people compare opinions with children. You can always abort the ones you don't want and when Christmas comes, you've just saved money on presents.

You can so buy a current gen console. Buy an original Xbox. You get more games and some high definition ability. When you go to next generation it has to offer signifigant improvements over the previous generation. A new controller isn't enough. Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are both true next gen consoles with a signfigantly improved gaming. Wii is just as crappy as its name.

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Then why make a new system at all? The Wii is just silly. I have no idea what Nintendo is doing. This may be the first system of their's that I don't buy.

Hey, I know. Let's legalize abortion up to, say....your age.

Right on spikey! They could have done EVERY single game on Wii (and in some cases, a complete 100% port of a older gen console game, cough zelda) on a Gamecube. They could have just released the controller and sold it right through nintendo.com if they truely cared about the consumer. Instead, they want even more outdated and obsolete hardware on the market that shoehorns in the new controller, which will also be its main failure, to try and come up as "fresh" and innovative. Its a sad move, and time will show why most people who want to sit down and play a kick ass game, will not want to hold a tiny remote in their hand and wave it around like an idiot.

Thats just me tho.

Being on topic, I found out that some of the TV sets that support 1080p Input do it through HDMI AND Component! So all is not lost for the 499 package, however, i will sadly also probably get the 599 just to make sure. I hope sony realises their huge mistake and adds HDMI on the 499 system as well, since it will put a lot of faith back into the sony system. Im not holding my breath, tho.

Wha? What about dozen other features? Virtua Console for one? I suggest you do some reading first, Ubisoft comments on how none of wii console horsepower was even present until 2 weeks before E3 for them to use may also help some you obssessed graphic fans.