He didn't mis-hear. He misunderstood.

Sorry. I know nothing of this Salo.

Play nice.

I already got next generation games and movies, mutha fucka!

I think that by the time the ps3 comes out, hd dvd players might be even cheaper than their current $500 price tag. HD DVD is going to win the war, just by being much more affordable.

Well it looks like the PS3 and Blu-Ray will have a hard time finding it's way into Australian homes. PS3 pricing was announced today:

$829 AUS for 20GB
$999 AUS for 60GB

(The XBOX 360 Premium sells for $649 AUS).

The word "rape" comes to mind.

I believe every country is going to have to pay more than we are.

For those too lazy too look, at the moment the conversion is:

$638 US
$769 US

And people think a weak dollar is a bad thing.

That is absolutely amazing. I would guess there might be a few exports.

Yeah, I think its Japan's way of continuing to say im sorry for Pearl Harbor.

jk

Yeah, he was clever in how he worded it. Either way, GTA4 being on the 360 at release day is a huge move. That game really boosted the PS2 sales and basically MS has neutralized that.

Its the one game that I would have flat out purchased the PS3 for. Now, I can have it on 360 AND Xbox will have downloadable content for it.

That's roughly the price in Euros as well.

Strange comment since you are comparing AUD to USD on a device made and exported by a Japanese company. That has nothing to do with the exchange rate between Aus and the USA. They simply charge more to the Aussies, sorry to them. This probably has more to do with demand or tariffs, I don't know.

It would be cheaper to the USA if the USD was not incredibly weak against the Yen.

Yea, too bad the USD is only worth about 110 JPY.

So for $600 you can either buy the blu-ray PS-3 or you can buy an XBox 360 and a Nintendo Wii.


hmmmm

More bad news for PS3 it seems..


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...M0&refer=japan


Sony sure seems to be fucking up huge with the PS3.

Gee...could it be because they don't even have a working version of it yet?

wow.... Sony is dropping the ball... man i thought microsoft would be bad but not sony... oh well... the price you pay for $600 system

Seriously? I hadn't read that. I thought they were demoing them at E3?
Anyway with the launch 6 months away, they really are cutting themselves off at the knees. What good is a console that won't have any software available for it for months afterward? Isn't that kind of putting the cart in front of the horse?

From what I read, they couldn't demo it because they were still busy working on it.

Is the BR-HDDVD war preventing the PS3 from being further delayed??? It sounds like it seriously should be...

Enh. Let it come out. Sony will be digging their own grave.

I'm sure people will come back and say the Toshiba was rushed but there are a lot of people who have had no problems, myself included. And the problems being outlined for BR are a helluva lot worse than anything for HD.

But to make a fair comparison between the prices, you'll need to add the cost of the HD-DVD add-on to the XBOX price. Both of those PS3 prices have a builtin BR drive, but the XBOX 360 doesn't.

Example:

PS3 20GB w/BR -> $499 US
vs. XBOX 360 Core ($299 US) + 20 GB HD ($99 US) + DVD Add-on ($199 US) -> $597 US
OR XBOX 360 System w/ 20GB HD ($399 US) + DVD Add-on ($199 US) -> $597 US

PS3 60GB w/BR and HDMI output -> $599 US
vs. XBOX 360 System w/ 20GB HD ($399 US) + DVD Add-on ($199 US) -> $598 US
*NOTE: Haven't seen HDMI or a 60GB HD for the XBOX 360 to make a fair comparision

In the example above, the PS3 is actually cheaper in the long run.

What actually matters is whether people are willing or would rather pay a higher premium to get a bundle or pay a lower cost and buy add-ons later AND whether they care about these add-ons/extra features (High Def, Hard Drive, etc.)

SONY PRO: All in one package w/ BR built-in
SONY CON: Higher upfront cost

XBOX 360 PRO: Lower initial cost
XBOX 360 CON: Must purchase add-ons seperately for an additional cost. (More expensive then comparable PS3 model)

But that comparison is only valid if you make the following 2 assumptions (neither of which I think is realistic):

1. All consumers want both a game machine and a movie machine
2. Consumer don't have a preference for HD-DVD or blu-ray (they are interchangable)

Neither of the above is true. Sure, there is a portion of the market that wants both a game machine and a blu-ray player. To those people, the PS3 is a good value. But to those who don't want a blu-ray player, the price carries a premium for something they won't use. Let's also not forget the possibility that, two years from now (approx. 40% into the average console's lifespan), blu-ray (or HD-DVD) could be dead. If Sony were offering a $300 - $400 version of the PS3 without blu-ray, I think they would sell a lot more units.

Well, when you think about it...

There might be people on this very board who happen to have an xbox at the moment. They may be riding the fence or wanting to wait it out.

Say the HD camp puts out their add-on for $100 or $150. That might persuade people to jump into the game. Once they see the quality and start buying software, that's all that matters. It may convince them to buy an actual stand-alone machine when their current player breaks. Regardless, all that needs to happen is that the rest of the studios see the software SERIOUSLY selling on the other side and they'll want a piece of that as well. That goes for both BR and HD.

I suspect Microsoft will come out with a new holiday bundle that will include the HD-DVD add-on and price it below the PS3's $600 version...

That was just one example that I posted and I'd mostly agree with your statements. That's why I posted

Consumer don't necessary have to want both a gaming console and movie support to have High Def. The high def format would allow for more realistic high-def games, but then again how much do the gamers care about HD?

MS has an advantage since you can buy only the items that you'd like, while SONY is betting on the all-in-one bundle. MS had the following advantage going for it when it released the XBOX 360: high-def wasn't ready for inclusion during the release which allowed them to offer a cheaper price for the XBOX 360.

How the PS3 will compare to the XBOX 360 I don't think we'll know until it is released, but SONY could drop the price by removing the BR from the system. However, the PS3 currently is requiring all games to be released in the BR format and would seem to require a major HW change.