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Old 07-03-18, 12:56 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
Might be closer to the reverse.

Would anyone even bother with DVDTalk if it was just media and entertainment?
I would be more than happy with media, entertainment and otter.
Just ban politics discussion, other forums do it. Now we see why.

*edit* and religious discussion.
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Old 07-03-18, 01:16 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

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Guys, while we're still sorting out the politics forum with the mods, I want to state this: The site is called DVDTalk. Despite being an out-of-date medium (although I'm hoping for a retro return, like VHS), the primary use of this site should be to talk about movies. The political forum is a nice bonus.

There are members who have made their last 200 posts in the politics forum. Those people should re-evaluate how they use the site. We like that you're engaged, but the site is made to be engaged about movies (or TV, music, comics). You've got opinions, so tell people what you thought about Jurassic World! Or The latest Criterion releases!
Joel, Iím sorry but thatís a very privileged comment. Some people canít afford to just put reality on hold to discuss entertainment when their very existence and way of life are being threatened by the politics of the day. My media consumption has gone down to a pittance compared to what it used to be, so I have nothing to say about Jurassic World or the latest Criterion releases. I do want to discuss whatís happening in the world with intelligent people, which can happen in the politics forum when it isnít being sidetracked and derailed by trolls and bigots.

On top of it, a lot of movies now have a political component thatís part of the discussion, whether we want it or not. See Black Panther, Ghostbusters, The Last Jedi, etc.
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Old 07-03-18, 03:26 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

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Joel, Iím sorry but thatís a very privileged comment. Some people canít afford to just put reality on hold to discuss entertainment when their very existence and way of life are being threatened by the politics of the day. My media consumption has gone down to a pittance compared to what it used to be, so I have nothing to say about Jurassic World or the latest Criterion releases. I do want to discuss whatís happening in the world with intelligent people, which can happen in the politics forum when it isnít being sidetracked and derailed by trolls and bigots.

On top of it, a lot of movies now have a political component thatís part of the discussion, whether we want it or not. See Black Panther, Ghostbusters, The Last Jedi, etc.
Then you're free to discuss the messages of those films in their respective threads. As I have said, we are sorting out the P&R forum situation. You have my word on that.
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Old 07-03-18, 05:36 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

Two "memes" come to mind: "And this is why we cannot have nice things" and (less seriously) "Smoke 'em if you got 'em."

It is sad for us longtime members who have enjoyed the various forums and have made friend's/acquaintances to watch the atmosphere devolve. Years ago, a well-known member (a sexual minority member from the "left side" of the aisle with whom I have had many a pleasant PM conversation) said that he rarely entered the politics thread any more...and that was during what I'd call a very congenial era of the forum, relatively speaking. Now I understand why he felt the way he did.

I also understand the frustrations of Joel, the mods, and everyone else charged with herding us cats. If we could just discuss openly, honestly, and with respect for others to have opinions, we could keep our nice place that we've enjoyed. We could have the opportunity to meet people of all persuasions and to have constructive dialogues. That's ostensibly what all should want...not "It's my way or the highway" ultimatums.

Right?

At the end of the day, the owners have the right to make the rules and conduct the site as they think best. Whether that means members exercising self-discipline and respecting the rights of others, posting limits being imposed per forum, or more drastic measures, one cannot credibly feign surprise that administrators would grow weary of the constant griping/bickering/complaining. Those who have been in a parental supervisory role know exactly how they feel.

Meanwhile, I'll put in a plug for Norm's "Post a Song You Like or Love" thread in the Music Subforum of Entertainment. It's groovy!
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Old 07-03-18, 07:39 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

In terms of forum activity, I imagine Politics is pretty high on the list here. If they were to nuke it (<-- still a joke) I think that'd kill the page views, and ad views, and... Well... $. Interested to see how it's all sorted out.
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Old 07-03-18, 08:10 PM
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It seems since disc talk is pretty dead Politics has taken over since it's the type of thing the masses are brainwashed for.
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Old 07-04-18, 09:42 AM
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Old 07-04-18, 11:14 AM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

If you stick to verifiable facts and logic, an opposing view would require refuting facts and logic.
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Old 07-04-18, 11:34 AM
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If you stick to verifiable facts and logic, an opposing view would require refuting facts and logic.
In other words, to paraphrase one of our most frequent posters, "Reals, not feels."
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Old 07-05-18, 11:53 AM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

Well they locked the thread about changes, because they don’t want discussion of changes to occur.

Reminds me of how they created a separate “political movie talk” because they didn’t want too much debate about political films. Every time I created a thread to say “ fold it back into movie talk, no one goes to the new forum” they would close after a day.

They just don’t want contentious talk here. Even when it’s about film.

So stupid.
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Old 07-05-18, 01:20 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

There's a six letter word that starts with an "N" and is used as a slur against black people.

Why is that word banned here?

Is it because the word is aesthetically unpleasing? The admins don't like the look of two "g"s side by side, don't like the way the syllables sound when said out loud?

Or is it something to do with the meaning of the word?

I would assume the latter.

I would assume the admins recognize that it's a word used to demean an entire group of people based on the color of their skin. That it's a word charged with hate, that carries with it a history of murder, rape, slavery, and a thousand other indignities both large and small.

It is, in short, a distillation of white supremacy down to a single word.

Now, if my assumption is correct and that's the reason the word is not allowed here, should this site allow the ideas behind that word while continuing to ban the word?
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Old 07-05-18, 01:26 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

Originally Posted by Mabuse View Post
Well they locked the thread about changes, because they donít want discussion of changes to occur.
???

It was closed with a link to this thread and a note to continue discussion here. How many concurrently ongoing threads about moderation in Politics/Religion do there need to be? How is saying "discuss this here" suppressing discussion?
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Old 07-05-18, 01:42 PM
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There's a six letter word that starts with an "N" and is used as a slur against black people.

Why is that word banned here?

Is it because the word is aesthetically unpleasing? The admins don't like the look of two "g"s side by side, don't like the way the syllables sound when said out loud?

Or is it something to do with the meaning of the word?

I would assume the latter.

I would assume the admins recognize that it's a word used to demean an entire group of people based on the color of their skin. That it's a word charged with hate, that carries with it a history of murder, rape, slavery, and a thousand other indignities both large and small.

It is, in short, a distillation of white supremacy down to a single word.

Now, if my assumption is correct and that's the reason the word is not allowed here, should this site allow the ideas behind that word while continuing to ban the word?
There is a four letter work that starts with a "C" that is banned here as well but we are told it is a meaningless word.
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Old 07-05-18, 01:55 PM
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

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There is a four letter work that starts with a "C" that is banned here as well but we are told it is a meaningless word.
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ďStories about 1,500 missing unaccompanied migrant children flooded the news cycle over the weekend. So last night we aired a segment on the atrocious treatment of migrant children by this administration and past administrations. Sometimes even the ones who look best in swim trunks do bad jobs with things. Our piece attracted controversy of the worst kind. We spent the day wrestling with the repercussions of one bad word, when we all should have spent the day incensed that as a nation we are wrenching children from their parents and treating people legally seeking asylum as criminals. If we are OK with that then really, who are we?Ē
... and I don't think we need to address how there isn't an equivalency between the two, do we?
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???

It was closed with a link to this thread and a note to continue discussion here. How many concurrently ongoing threads about moderation in Politics/Religion do there need to be? How is saying "discuss this here" suppressing discussion?
This thread seems to be about an entire other topic. Something to do with signature lines.
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Re: Why is this sig being allowed in the forum?

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There's a six letter word that starts with an "N" and is used as a slur against black people.

Why is that word banned here?

Is it because the word is aesthetically unpleasing? The admins don't like the look of two "g"s side by side, don't like the way the syllables sound when said out loud?

Or is it something to do with the meaning of the word?

I would assume the latter.

I would assume the admins recognize that it's a word used to demean an entire group of people based on the color of their skin. That it's a word charged with hate, that carries with it a history of murder, rape, slavery, and a thousand other indignities both large and small.

It is, in short, a distillation of white supremacy down to a single word.

Now, if my assumption is correct and that's the reason the word is not allowed here, should this site allow the ideas behind that word while continuing to ban the word?
One of the biggest issues facing this country right now is the idea that as long as the Alt-Right/Neo-Nazis are "civil" on how they present their views and beliefs they must be tolerated. Essentially playing the victim whenever people call out their views as hateful and unwelcome. Even going so far as to claim they are being personally attacked instead of being called out on their hate.

One only need to look at the Racism thread here and how the dog whistling was already starting to be called out by the end of the second page and it only got worse as the racism directed towards Obama reached it's peak and the Trump lead escalation of all forms of bigotry took over.
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Old 07-05-18, 02:15 PM
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... and I don't think we need to address how there isn't an equivalency between the two, do we?
The furor over Bee's comments was never anything but a major scale whaboutism by those trying to minimize the amount of racism coming from the right.
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One only need to look at the Racism thread here and how the dog whistling was already starting to be called out by the end of the second page.....
I took a look at the second page and didn't see anything. Could you point out what you're talking about?
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Old 07-05-18, 05:39 PM
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One only need to look at the Racism thread here and how the dog whistling was already starting to be called out by the end of the second page and it only got worse as the racism directed towards Obama reached it's peak and the Trump lead escalation of all forms of bigotry took over.
I have an advanced degree as a reading specialist, and I still can't make heads or tails out of what you're trying to say.

Could you please reword or clarify for those of us who are a little slow on the uptake? Thanks.
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I took a look at the second page and didn't see anything. Could you point out what you're talking about?
It wasn't the end of the second page. It was literally the second post when Ky-Fi started in on his whole "OH, SO I GUESS WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND DIE" routine. By the end of the second page, he had moved on to talking about how black people can't keep their families together.
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It wasn't the end of the second page. It was literally the second post when Ky-Fi started in on his whole "OH, SO I GUESS WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND DIE" routine. By the end of the second page, he had moved on to talking about how black people can't keep their families together.
It started with that and but got worse on the second page as people responded to Tracer Bullet. The typical how dare you look to shut down our free (racist) speach and All Lives Matter BS.

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Old 07-05-18, 09:17 PM
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I didn't even know there was a Racism thread.

Must have been kept on the down low.

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I didn't even know there was a Racism thread.

Must have been kept on the down low.
So this is the kind of thing that people complain about when it comes to creekdipper. Because he's posted in that thread many, many times. So either he's lying, or he's playing some weird "It's not a racism thread, it's a race discussion thread!" nonsense. Either way, it's not constructive, it's not good faith discussion, and it contributes absolutely nothing worthwhile to the forum.
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I would be pretty unhappy if the politics forum was gone. It was bad enough when they got rid of Adult Talk...
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Originally Posted by JasonF View Post
So this is the kind of thing that people complain about when it comes to creekdipper. Because he's posted in that thread many, many times. So either he's lying, or he's playing some weird "It's not a racism thread, it's a race discussion thread!" nonsense. Either way, it's not constructive, it's not good faith discussion, and it contributes absolutely nothing worthwhile to the forum.
Well, they finally banned creekdipper. Itís a start. I hope the mods and admins look at other troublesome political forum posters as well.

Thank you mods for removing easily the most toxic poster on the entire site.
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