DaveyJoe

The hard part is deciding what to use the wildcard for. Any guesses as to what this year's Killer Tongue might be? Hobgoblins perhaps?

clckworang

This is my vote as well.

clckworang

The MST3K version is really funny. The DVD set it comes in is OOP, but I'm sure it's streaming somewhere.

Trevor

Do you perhaps have a small typo in the second item? Not sure how "previous subset" compensates for current "theme".

But anyway, by possibly too thorough explanations and votes in the wildcards issue are:

On the subset, the core 31 choices are the crux of the invention, and should be stressed. However, there are very good reasons that someone may have for not being able to watch all 31. These reasons include not being able to find them, refusing to use illegal streams, and refusing to watch movies of that director for ethical reasons (Polanski, Salva, etc). Because of these legitimate reasons, wild cards are a good option. The current theatrical showing wildcard is nice, but increasing it to three, with the optional Criterion and Comedy Challenge crossover choices, is my choice. This guarantees that someone still watches 31 films of the official subset, they just get to choose 31 out of our already "official" 34 choices. To me, someone watching just the base 31 and none of the 3 optional, has fully satisfied the subset list. So someone who has spent the same amount of time, and has also watched 31 of the 34, should be considered just as compliant.

Themes later, work got busy....

Undeadcow

I do think 'watch a previous subset film' would make a good checklist item in the future. [...or 'watch and comment on a prior subset film thread'].

Also, I recommend streamlining the RIP checklist in coming years. There are a lot of names on it and many of them have just marginal horror output; granted it's a 'pick 3' option but the list sadly takes up a lot of room and looks imposing. I love the idea of memorial theme days for heavy hitters (like we've done with Romero and Hooper) that are recently departed and while the acknowledgment is good I think that just 'watch a movie with a recently deceased contributor' might work for the rest.

clckworang

I love the idea of adding watch a previous subset pick as a checklist item. That's quite a deep pool at this point.

arw6040

Agree with all this ^.

Chad

That was copy & pasted directly from either here or the suggestions thread. I am simply the impartial messenger relaying the message, although it has been corrected.

SterlingBen

Killer Tongue is way way better than Hobgoblins. Hobgoblins is the poor mans Ghoulies.

DaveyJoe

Hey, I was one of the few people who found some nice things to say about Killer Tongue. I also enjoyed the MST3k episode of Hobgoblins, but I'm not sure if I'll enjoy it without the commentary. I like the idea of everybody ripping on a movie that is so-bad-its-good as a bit of harmless fun. The huge variety is one of the things I love about the different subset picks each year.

Chad

That's the equivalent of saying Beasties influenced Munchies.

Agreed.

DaveyJoe

I just hope it's not the movie I picked.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi

I hope you meant Gremlins.

Trevor

Vote on possible wildcards in themes:

Theme days rock! Having potentially all ~100 of us watching the same sort of theme each day definitely should increase the amount of discussion, the main goal of this thing. The difficulty of finding something in your collection that matches the theme, but mostly in watching something every single day for 31 days straight, is one of the hardest part of the overall Challenge. Second only to hitting 100 for the month I would guess. I understand the desire to keep this optional feature difficult. However, since hitting 100 is harder, and was the original hard goal of Chad's party here, I'm ok with that satisfying the most difficult part of our month. Since themes are optional, and involve an extra prize chance, and encourage discussion, I vote for a little bit of leniency here. I'm perhaps slightly unique among us in that I work with and am friends with a lot of people that work shift work. 24 hour shifts or back to back to back 12 hour shifts can make it difficult or impossible to watch something every day. As a fairly new husband and father I know that family emergencies can also spring up and make it impossible to watch something one day. So I'd vote for at least one wildcard, maybe two; however, I think that anyone using a wildcard should still have to complete a viewing for all 31 themes, they can just double up on a day (or two). The chief reason for my wanting this (and the subset wildcards in my earlier post) is that I think it will increase participation in the subsets and themes, and thus discussion. If someone has a bad or busy day, or emergency, and misses a theme and subset, and that knocks them out of the running for both lists, they could be discouraged and just give up on them the rest of the month. Having a mulligan or two will keep them in the game and increase discussion, but making them still do all 31 themes and still do 31/34 subsets still maintains 99.9% of the difficulty.

Another possibility for theme wildcards is to make someone using them complete the "unofficial themes" of September 30th and November 1st on those actual days. Thus, they are still completing 31 themes like a "true finisher", but they are using the optional days to do at least 31 of the 33 on the actual dates.

SterlingBen

While I initially typed that, it felt disrespectful to compare Hobgoblins to Gremlins in such a way.

JAX036

Hello all!

Looking forward to a month of horror.

With the 20th anniversary of Buffy, I was wondering if we could add Joss Whedon projects to the list to expand it slightly:

That would add -
Alien Resurrection (1997)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) - the movie
The Cabin in the Woods (2012)

Chad

They're now on the list.

Can't believe I forgot to include the original movie. Once it failed to make the themes cut I just didn't bother going beyond the main cast.

WillieMLF

Hey Chad,

I have a few more broken links from the checklist. Seems the links have changed, and it just defaults to the homepage.

Extraterrestrial
Found Footage
Musical Horror
Giallo

GoldenWheels

Chad, sent you an email and a PM.

orlmac

Open it Chad and tell us the exciting news!

Chad

That is literally the first thing I'll do once I get home this evening. Gotta do it right!

Chad

Just updated all the links.

Trevor

Since the Challenge has already started on half the planet, perhaps we need your wildcard rulings?

And don't we want the subset, themes, and checklist in the wikis?

Chad

Honestly, it wasn't easy to interpret all the responses. There were two definite "no changes" votes. However, the very same people that voted that way were also in favor of 'watch a previous subset'. Then someone agreed with both, which I took as a vote for each. You're not making this easy, people.

I *think* 'watch a previous subset' one by one vote?

Yeah, just wanted to make sure there's no further changes before posting.

Trevor

Imho, when there are less than 30 or so votes, screw the votes and do what you think is best. The vote input being that low shows that most don't care, and it won't be truly representative. Sort of like our national elections....