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Old 07-25-16 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by coyoteblue
Faith Domergue starred in three sci-if movies in 1955, It Came From Beneath the Sea (1955), This Island Earth (1955) and finally the one you've probably never heard of or seen, The Atomic Man aka Timeslip (1955). It's a perfectly adequate British programmer she made with Gene Nelson that's a crime movie with a slight element of sci-fi. Still two out of three ain't bad.
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Domergue also starred in Voyage to he Prehistoric Planet and Cult of the Cobra. which is listed as Fantasy/ Horror in IMDB, so that will also be a check in the Horror box in the checklist.
Yep. I own copies of all of those, although I wish The Atomic Man would receive a pressed release (it's only available as a MOD or Amazon video). *Four* of them were made in the same year, 1955, although The Atomic Man didn't receive a release until early 1956.

Voyage to the Prehistoric Planet is one of those films Roger Corman had cobbled together for AIP using American-made scenes with Domergue and Basil Rathbone inserted into the Soviet film, Planeta Bur (1962) which he had dubbed into English. He later used *both* films for "Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women (1968) which was adapted/directed/assembled by Peter Bogdanovich, who chose not to have his name credited on the film prints. He later said: "...people think I directed it when I really only directed 10 minutes of it." Domergue and Rathbone do not appear in that one. It also has more of the original film than does Voyage to the Prehistoric Planet and uses some footage from another Soviet film, Nebo Zovyot which was used by Francis Ford Coppola to make Battle Beyond the Sun, also produced by Corman (whew!).

There's a DVD-R release of Planeta Bur which is quite good. Both the film and the release. It's not nearly the camp-fest those two Corman productions are. I found a youtube copy of Nebo Zovyot that has English subtitles. I've not yet watched that one.
Old 07-25-16 | 10:24 AM
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RE: The Dark Knight Returns
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I have to admit, I have not seen the 2nd or the 3rd. I own them and should, but Heath Ledger's Joker has been so hyped up, I'm worried that it'll just let me down when I finally do. I keep on promising myself that this is the challenge I'll finally watch them in and I just keep on not watching them. I should just sit down and watch all 3 and do it, but well...maybe next time!
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The second one was definitely over-hyped, and I suffered with that, too. However, it is still a very good film (with a couple of flaws). Ignore the people saying it's the greatest ever, and take 'very good' as an accurate summation, and you'll probably enjoy it a lot.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it's "very good" but simply "good" at best. I didn't like Heath Ledger as the Joker at all. I see where they're coming from and that they're trying to make Batman "darker" but they really should just make a film of Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" if that's what they want to do with the character. They *did* lift a few ideas from that story for the film of the same name but it generally bears no other similarities.

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Old 07-25-16 | 11:03 AM
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i am slowing down my quantity of films too. running out of steam a bit, but also, i have been watching some 3 hour plus films like dune, metropolis and the abyss
Dune with Sting? I remember trying to watch that a few times and it never made much sense until I read the book. The book was good, the movie wasn't too great but at least at that point I could follow what was going on.

I was never much of a fan of Abyss or most of the other underwater copies that came out at the same time. It kind of reminded me of Cocoon. Lots of people I knew liked them both but I was the exception.

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today i cracked open the Kino Complete Metropolis. This version is the 2010 restoration with 25 minutes of footage that was discovered in argentina. im an hour into it and the copy is tremendous with a score from 1927 recreated by rundfunk symphony.

id highly recommend people to go out and get this blu ray if you dont have it.
I got that Metropolis set as a gift but haven't cracked it open yet. I watched a public domain version previously and didn't care a whole lot for it but I know this newer version might make it more enjoyable.

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Bruce, who's *not* dead and Selina have apparently hooked up and "dropped out of sight" in the middle of Gotham?
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They were in Italy. It's been awhile since I watched it but earlier in the film Alfred said something about going to a cafe in Italy and he saw someone there or something.


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Wow, you reminded me that I've still yet to see the third in the Nolan trilogy as well. I'll fix that this month.
I think I'm one of the few people that just thought the second one was only ok. It just kind of falls apart for me in the third act.

I'm on the last disc of season 2 of Twilight Zone. After that I think I'll try watching At The Earth's Core, Petey Wheatstraw, and maybe The Killing Joke except I heard that was awful and doesn't follow the actual story too much, especially the first half.
Old 07-25-16 | 11:39 AM
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Yep. I own copies of all of those, although I wish The Atomic Man would receive a pressed release (it's only available as a MOD or Amazon video). *Four* of them were made in the same year, 1955, although The Atomic Man didn't receive a release until early 1956.
You can get a pressed disc from Amazon UK. It's a Network disc under the title of Timeslip.
Old 07-25-16 | 11:53 AM
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Dune with Sting? I remember trying to watch that a few times and it never made much sense until I read the book. The book was good, the movie wasn't too great but at least at that point I could follow what was going on.
I'd read the book (and 2 of the sequels) when the movie came out and *still* had trouble following it. Later rereads of the book and rewatching the film helped. If you've not seen the Sci-Fi mini series you should find a copy and give it a viewing. It's better (surprising considering where it originally aired). They did a sequel which combined "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune." It's not quite as good as the first but still worth a viewing.
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I was never much of a fan of Abyss or most of the other underwater copies that came out at the same time. It kind of reminded me of Cocoon. Lots of people I knew liked them both but I was the exception.
When I first saw it (during its original release run) I thought it was overblown. A year or so back I picked up a copy of the DVD thinking that maybe I'd been a bit too harsh towards the work only to find my initial feelings were spot on. It's "OK" but *just* "OK." Like Cocoon and the other similar films of that time. I believe that was the film that convinced me to not bother with material from Cameron. I sort of liked The Terminator and didn't care for Aliens. In spite of giving him a few more chances, mainly due to high ratings, my feelings towards his work hasn't changed a bit since The Abyss came out.
Originally Posted by The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
I got that Metropolis set as a gift but haven't cracked it open yet. I watched a public domain version previously and didn't care a whole lot for it but I know this newer version might make it more enjoyable.
I've watched that one several times with several different prints. I have a copy of the latest DVD restoration (the same print as the BR - "The Complete Metropolis") but haven't yet watched it. I probably should this week as if I don't I'll likely wait until next year. It's a fairly good film but doesn't resonate with me like it does with many others. I keep getting more complete prints hoping one will change my mind.
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They were in Italy. It's been awhile since I watched it but earlier in the film Alfred said something about going to a cafe in Italy and he saw someone there or something.
OK. I missed that. It just seemed odd that they were out in the open like that.
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I think I'm one of the few people that just thought the second one was only ok. It just kind of falls apart for me in the third act.
You and me both. But I'm not much of a fan of that entire trilogy. I'd rather watch Batman and Robin (1997) than any of those three (yes, you read that right).
Originally Posted by The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
I'm on the last disc of season 2 of Twilight Zone. After that I think I'll try watching At The Earth's Core, Petey Wheatstraw, and maybe The Killing Joke except I heard that was awful and doesn't follow the actual story too much, especially the first half.
"The Killing Joke" is one of my all-time favorite Bat Universe stories. I've avoided the movie for just that reason and haven't read anything about it. If you *do* watch it I'll be *very* interested in your opinion.

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Old 07-25-16 | 01:21 PM
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I've only seen the first of the Nolan trilogy, and never had the desire to see the others.
Old 07-25-16 | 02:06 PM
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This thread is enlightening. I thought everybody on DVDTalk had a total hard-on for Nolan and his Batman (the first two films at least).
Old 07-25-16 | 02:25 PM
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Watching episodes of Science Fiction Theatre has become somewhat of a slog. It seems that every 3rd or 4th episode deals with a murder and the use of some science premise to prove someone's innocence. If not that, they are general melodrama with just enough science thrown in to just barely qualify as SF. I have *one* episode left in S1 (a 39 episode season) and don't know if I can make myself move on to S2 (it's another 39 episodes). I'm also getting tired of the host describing the science behind a episode. It's sometimes interesting to see what was "new" back then but it often just drags things down with rather unnecessary theatrics. It has good intentions but mostly disappoints with the guest star(s) of the week often being the largest draw. The theme music, while typical of its day, truly doesn't fit this series. Part of me wonders my issues with the series are simply because I wanted to like it more and it just didn't live up to expectations.
Old 07-25-16 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
Watching episodes of Science Fiction Theatre has become somewhat of a slog. It seems that every 3rd or 4th episode deals with a murder and the use of some science premise to prove someone's innocence. If not that, they are general melodrama with just enough science thrown in to just barely qualify as SF. I have *one* episode left in S1 (a 39 episode season) and don't know if I can make myself move on to S2 (it's another 39 episodes). I'm also getting tired of the host describing the science behind a episode. It's sometimes interesting to see what was "new" back then but it often just drags things down with rather unnecessary theatrics. It has good intentions but mostly disappoints with the guest star(s) of the week often being the largest draw. The theme music, while typical of its day, truly doesn't fit this series. Part of me wonders my issues with the series are simply because I wanted to like it more and it just didn't live up to expectations.
As I'm finding with "Star Trek: TOS," you have to take these things in small doses, a few episodes at a time. Or maybe single eps. regularly interspersed with other, more exciting fare.

I recently watched the very first episode of Star Trek to air, "The Man Trap," a first-time viewing. Interesting and fairly suspenseful in its execution, but an absolutely ludicrous plot (as so many of them are in my eyes these days) about a shape-shifting alien who infiltrates the Enterprise by taking on forms of other crewmen, some living, some it's already killed. It needs salt to survive so it starts killing crew members and sucking the salt content out of their bodies. A sure way to call attention to itself, whereas if it had just raided the salt supply in the pantry or simply poured lots of salt on its food in the cafeteria, it could have stayed on the ship indefinitely.
Old 07-25-16 | 06:16 PM
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As I'm finding with "Star Trek: TOS," you have to take these things in small doses, a few episodes at a time.
I didn't have a problem until the last season where some would be putting me to sleep in the middle of the day. I remember the first half of that season really being a chore to go through.
Old 07-25-16 | 08:02 PM
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I was browsing the forum list for Airventure, and saw that on Thursday afternoon there is a 'Star Trek: Fact vs Fiction' forum. I haven't decided for sure if I'm going as it is during the actual air show, but if I do go, can I list it, or use it as a wild card?
Old 07-25-16 | 08:03 PM
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I was browsing the forum list for Airventure, and saw that on Thursday afternoon there is a 'Star Trek: Fact vs Fiction' forum. I haven't decided for sure if I'm going as it is during the actual air show, but if I do go, can I list it, or use it as a wild card?
Sure, seems to fit the theme of the challenge.
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[QUOTE=The Man with the Golden Doujinshi;12858792]Dune with Sting?

no, i watched the frank hebert sci fi channel version that was a 4.5 hour "faithful" adaptation. I liked it very much.

[QUOTE=The Man with the Golden Doujinshi;12858792]
I'm on the last disc of season 2 of Twilight Zone.

i looked at what you have watched. man you have burnt a hole in the twilight zone disks! aren't you burnt out?
Old 07-26-16 | 08:54 AM
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no, i watched the frank hebert sci fi channel version that was a 4.5 hour "faithful" adaptation. I liked it very much.
If you've not yet seen it you should also watch the sequel, Children of Dune. It's not quite as good as the first but still satisfying. They combined the next two novels, "Dune Messiah" and "Children of Dune," to make that one.
Old 07-26-16 | 10:13 AM
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I watched the first two Indiana Jones films last night. My grandson came in while I was watching Raiders of the Lost Ark and said: "I thought this was Science Fiction Month? Why are you watching Indiana Jones? It's not science fiction." So I explained the couple of sites which *do* tag it as SF but agreed with him. Great film... But SF? Not until the last 1-10 minutes, which is debatable depending on how literally you interpret the properties of the Ark as presented in the Bible. I'd also forgotten just how annoying Kate Capshaw is in Temple of Doom. I think I'm going to wild card them due to the overall lack of SF/Fantasy elements.
Old 07-26-16 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by numbercrunch
i looked at what you have watched. man you have burnt a hole in the twilight zone disks! aren't you burnt out?
It probably looks more impressive than it is. I watch a few hours at night and they're only half hour shows. Takes me around a week per season. Season 1 is 15 hours and 2 is about 12 hours.

Since they're only half hour shows, when I hit a dud it doesn't last long enough to really burn me out.

The Outer Limits, on the other hand, made me stop watching due to episodes like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Experiment

A rejected SF/Comedy pilot where for 40 minutes, you see a murder and then two aliens rewind and replay it from different points in time over and over again. It felt like 12 hours before it finally ended. I watched a few more episodes after this but up to that point I wasn't really in love with any of them, so I gave up before hitting another episode like that again.
Old 07-27-16 | 10:14 AM
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I used to include critical comments in my list posts but then I stopped because I was convinced no one was reading them, so I just do one-line summaries now.

But some other participants are including comments and they're definitely worth reading. I especially recommend Gobear's post in the list thread for this challenge (#16), quite an entertaining read. Also check out: #31 (numbercrunch), #39 (pagefrance) and #44 (brainee). My own list is #6.
Old 07-27-16 | 10:21 AM
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I started The Killing Joke last night and got a little into the Joker part before going to sleep. I'll admit up front that I read the comic a few years ago and thought it was really overrated and not all that good and pre-Joker comedian looks like Lyle Lovett to me. I never saw this totally insecure comedian as being the sociopath that the Joker is. Sure he could have stuff go bad, snap, then become a bad guy but I'd see him more as a 60s Batman TV series Joker.

Back to the movie, the dialogue of the first part seems like it's written by someone else. It wasn't bad but it felt like, and had a running time close to, an episode of some Batman cartoon that they added on for time. Batman and Batgirl talked to each other exactly how Hank Hill and Luanne Platter would talk to each other if they went out as Batman and Batgirl. The sex scene between them wasn't as awful as people make it out to be but it was awkward and a bit weird if you thought it'd be fun to watch a Batman cartoon with your kids.

I'm planning on finishing this today and then starting on Star Wars: The Clone Wars, since that'll give me a head start on trying to finish it during the animation challenge.
Old 07-27-16 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
The Outer Limits, on the other hand, made me stop watching due to episodes like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Experiment

A rejected SF/Comedy pilot where for 40 minutes, you see a murder and then two aliens rewind and replay it from different points in time over and over again. It felt like 12 hours before it finally ended. I watched a few more episodes after this but up to that point I wasn't really in love with any of them, so I gave up before hitting another episode like that again.
The original The Outer Limits is a favorite. I don't care at all for that episode and, until I read that wiki article you linked, didn't know it was originally a script for a *half hour* comedy pilot. For me it's *not* funny nor engaging and that it was expanded to a full hour could be part of that and also what makes it drag so much. There *are* other lackluster episodes but the good ones more than make up for them.

I see you've watched a few episodes of The New Outer Limits. What did you think? Several years ago I purchased the 6 "Best of" discs and after watching a few picked up 3 seasons on the strength of those half-dozen or so episodes I'd seen. I really need to open those seasons and watch them or at least finish watching those "Best of" discs.
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I see you've watched a few episodes of The New Outer Limits. What did you think? Several years ago I purchased the 6 "Best of" discs and after watching a few picked up 3 seasons on the strength of those half-dozen or so episodes I'd seen. I really need to open those seasons and watch them or at least finish watching those "Best of" discs.
A couple of the last few I watched weren't great but only one of those I thought was completely awful. The other was alright but then turned really sappy.

I used to rent these on VHS with my girlfriend years ago and we had fun with them. I get Comet TV and they show them sometimes, when they aren't showing Stargate, which seems to be on all the time lately.

I wish the DVD releases weren't edited and expensive. Some episodes have nudity removed or nipples poking through a shirt a blurred out and then some episodes don't have anything edited.
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I used to include critical comments in my list posts but then I stopped because I was convinced no one was reading them, so I just do one-line summaries now.

But some other participants are including comments and they're definitely worth reading. I especially recommend Gobear's post in the list thread for this challenge (#16), quite an entertaining read. Also check out: #31 (numbercrunch), #39 (pagefrance) and #44 (brainee). My own list is #6.
I like looking at comments/ratings. One of the big things I get from these challenges is suggestions for new things to try. Even simple number/star ratings help that by giving me an idea of how closely a person's taste might run to my own ... and if their taste in movies seems reasonable, the reviews/comments of things I hadn't seen has a little weight.

I've been lazy with my own comments this challenge. But I guess considering I almost was so lazy to not even do a list, that isn't so bad I'm still stumped at writing a comment for Hardcore Henry. It is what it is ... and that's exactly what I heard it was going into it. And I've got nothing else Good thing I'm not a reviewer.

Originally Posted by The Man with the Golden Doujinshi
A couple of the last few I watched weren't great but only one of those I thought was completely awful. The other was alright but then turned really sappy.

I used to rent these on VHS with my girlfriend years ago and we had fun with them. I get Comet TV and they show them sometimes, when they aren't showing Stargate, which seems to be on all the time lately.

I wish the DVD releases weren't edited and expensive. Some episodes have nudity removed or nipples poking through a shirt a blurred out and then some episodes don't have anything edited.
It's been a year or so since I looked into it ... but the new Outer Limits still does not have a definitive (unedited) complete release for home media, correct? Even if it doesn't have any importance to the story, editing annoys me so much that I don't even want to watch episodes that way (let alone buy them).

I have strong positive memories of a number of episodes. It's been a while since I've seen them though. And I'm sure the truth is that the series was a mixed bag (some great eps, some ok eps, some crap). Though that's true of many shows.
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A couple of the last few I watched weren't great but only one of those I thought was completely awful. The other was alright but then turned really sappy.

I used to rent these on VHS with my girlfriend years ago and we had fun with them. I get Comet TV and they show them sometimes, when they aren't showing Stargate, which seems to be on all the time lately.

I wish the DVD releases weren't edited and expensive. Some episodes have nudity removed or nipples poking through a shirt a blurred out and then some episodes don't have anything edited.
I forget those have been edited. That, and the prices, somewhat temper my enthusiasm for additional purchases.
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The best I've seen for pricing in a very limited search was about $150 for the first 7 seasons together plus whatever awful price the last season goes for. My limited reading showed nobody bought it in the US and the rest of the series was released in Canada. I predict the prices are only going to go up as time goes on.

The last really memorable scene from any of the episodes was one where a robot kid was made to replace a dead one. Then dad comes home one day and the robot is all excited that the cat is letting him pet it and dad's excited but you know what's coming
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the cat is dead and all torn up.
It kind of reminded me of the plot to Deadly Friend but not as good.
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I used to include critical comments in my list posts but then I stopped because I was convinced no one was reading them, so I just do one-line summaries now.

But some other participants are including comments and they're definitely worth reading. I especially recommend Gobear's post in the list thread for this challenge (#16), quite an entertaining read. Also check out: #31 (numbercrunch), #39 (pagefrance) and #44 (brainee). My own list is #6.
thanks for reading my list! I try to take the time to write my synopsis of the film or i use IMDB plus whatever i want to add to it
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i started the day off bad with Sgt Kabukiman NYPD. I have come to the conclusion after sitting through the Toxic Avenger and now this that i just don't like Troma.

day ended on a high note with The Terminator and Brazil (criterion blu ray)


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