6th Annual Sci Fi/Fantasy Challenge
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Maybe it's just the kind of movie you eally have to be in the mood for, but I didn't find Evil Dead 2 as good as Army of Darkness. The reason I didn't add it to my list in fact was that I turned it off 30 minues into the movie. Am I right that you have to be in the mood for it? Or does the movie get better?
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I watched GODZILLA: TOKYO SOS yesterday and there was a reference to Selgio Island, a Dr. Miya and a turtle called “matamata” and then called “Kamoebas.” It was in a scene where they found a dead giant turtle on some outcropping in the sea. I was straining for references to Gamera, but they weren’t forthcoming and I didn’t understand these references.
So, later on, I started watching SPACE AMOEBA (1970, aka YOG: MONSTER FROM SPACE), an earlier Toho giant monster film, and finished it this morning. It takes place on Selgio Island, has Dr. Miya as a central character and a giant turtle initially referred to as a species called “matamata” and then referred to by its island native name, “Kamoebas.”
I love when this happens. It would have been better, though, if I’d watched SPACE AMOEBA first. That way, I would have gotten the references in TOKYO SOS right away. But who knew?
So, later on, I started watching SPACE AMOEBA (1970, aka YOG: MONSTER FROM SPACE), an earlier Toho giant monster film, and finished it this morning. It takes place on Selgio Island, has Dr. Miya as a central character and a giant turtle initially referred to as a species called “matamata” and then referred to by its island native name, “Kamoebas.”
I love when this happens. It would have been better, though, if I’d watched SPACE AMOEBA first. That way, I would have gotten the references in TOKYO SOS right away. But who knew?
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...I did also rent The Fly; both the Vincent Price and the newer one. It was a two-fer. I need both Price and Jeff Goldblum for the checklist, but I'm not sure if I want to watch both. Hmm, maybe I'll watch the Goldblum one for commentary if there is any. That would knock off two with one film...
I put in the 1958 version. It's not too bad. It's played very serious and doesn't "feel" like a bad b-movie. Probably because it takes almost an hour to even see a bit of "The Fly." And you really can't go wrong with Vincent Price.
I saw that the version I rented does have a commentary, so I may watch the 1986 version with that on, maybe tomorrow.
I saw that the version I rented does have a commentary, so I may watch the 1986 version with that on, maybe tomorrow.
#555
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Maybe it's just the kind of movie you eally have to be in the mood for, but I didn't find Evil Dead 2 as good as Army of Darkness. The reason I didn't add it to my list in fact was that I turned it off 30 minues into the movie. Am I right that you have to be in the mood for it? Or does the movie get better?
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I watched GODZILLA: TOKYO SOS yesterday and there was a reference to Selgio Island, a Dr. Miya and a turtle called “matamata” and then called “Kamoebas.” It was in a scene where they found a dead giant turtle on some outcropping in the sea. I was straining for references to Gamera, but they weren’t forthcoming and I didn’t understand these references.
So, later on, I started watching SPACE AMOEBA (1970, aka YOG: MONSTER FROM SPACE), an earlier Toho giant monster film, and finished it this morning. It takes place on Selgio Island, has Dr. Miya as a central character and a giant turtle initially referred to as a species called “matamata” and then referred to by its island native name, “Kamoebas.”
I love when this happens. It would have been better, though, if I’d watched SPACE AMOEBA first.
So, later on, I started watching SPACE AMOEBA (1970, aka YOG: MONSTER FROM SPACE), an earlier Toho giant monster film, and finished it this morning. It takes place on Selgio Island, has Dr. Miya as a central character and a giant turtle initially referred to as a species called “matamata” and then referred to by its island native name, “Kamoebas.”
I love when this happens. It would have been better, though, if I’d watched SPACE AMOEBA first.
Incidentally, I decided I wanted a bigger variety of stuff to watch on tv, so for only $10 more a month I subscribed to the Blockbuster at Home package that gives me access to the Starz and Epix Channels, as well as the Blockbuster dvd rental service.
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You guys are going to force me to pick up a copy of this series! I almost purchased a copy a couple of years ago when it was on sale everywhere for ~$10 but couldn't get past the possible disc issues with the DS/DL discs coupled with not liking the series much during its original airing. It's one of those I *really* wanted to like but, in spite of the "hot" women, it felt too "kidified" at the time with the robot being especially annoying. I've become more forgiving as I age... With the newly released SS versions temptation is pulling again as both seasons cost only a couple of $$ more than the earlier set.
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Based on the synopsys and that it's a direct sequel to the original I'd think so. I'm going with WALL-E. My youngest granddaughter (28 months) keeps going to the DVD cabinet, getting my copy and telling me "Watch Wawe, Paw". So far we've watched about half the film in 15-20 minute spurts over several days. 
I was going to to strongly suggest you watch the original. It's a great film and so is the remake. They each have something different to offer. There's nothing like the ending to the 1958 The Fly as it'll forever alter your perception of "Help me!"

I was going to to strongly suggest you watch the original. It's a great film and so is the remake. They each have something different to offer. There's nothing like the ending to the 1958 The Fly as it'll forever alter your perception of "Help me!"

Yeah, that last scene will stick with me! I did watch the commentary of the newer Fly. I'm glad I went that route: The original straight through, the remake as commentary. I think I enjoyed it a lot more that way. The commentary was fairly dry; would it have killed David Cronenberg to not use a monotone while commenting?
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You guys are going to force me to pick up a copy of this series! I almost purchased a copy a couple of years ago when it was on sale everywhere for ~$10 but couldn't get past the possible disc issues with the DS/DL discs coupled with not liking the series much during its original airing. It's one of those I *really* wanted to like but, in spite of the "hot" women, it felt too "kidified" at the time with the robot being especially annoying. I've become more forgiving as I age... With the newly released SS versions temptation is pulling again as both seasons cost only a couple of $$ more than the earlier set.
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Going back to the earlier discussion on Cyborg/Cybernetic Revolt...
In prior years those 2 items were separate checklist items. Did they just get combined on a single line and you pick one as in Cyborg (film) *or* Cybernetic Revolt (film)? I seem to recall someone mentioning they were similar and suggesting this.
In prior years those 2 items were separate checklist items. Did they just get combined on a single line and you pick one as in Cyborg (film) *or* Cybernetic Revolt (film)? I seem to recall someone mentioning they were similar and suggesting this.
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Going back to the earlier discussion on Cyborg/Cybernetic Revolt...
In prior years those 2 items were separate checklist items. Did they just get combined on a single line and you pick one as in Cyborg (film) *or* Cybernetic Revolt (film)? I seem to recall someone mentioning they were similar and suggesting this.
In prior years those 2 items were separate checklist items. Did they just get combined on a single line and you pick one as in Cyborg (film) *or* Cybernetic Revolt (film)? I seem to recall someone mentioning they were similar and suggesting this.
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Looks like last year. I'd been looking at my old lists to avoid watching the same thing several years in a row for certain checklist items and noticed it was separate in 2010 and 2011 but didn't look at 2012 before asking. They were combined in 2012.
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So then "Cyborg" is different than " Cybernetic Revolt," and my cyborg movie Robocop doesn't have to involve revolt?
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...Here are some changes for consideration...
On the Genre section:
Combine "Cyborg" with "Cybernetic Revolt" as CR is basically a sub-genre of Cyborg.
I'd argue to drop "Paranormal" as it's typically more horror with little to no sci-fi trappings.
Swap "Superhero" for "Comic book"
Change "Mutants" to "Mutants - non critter"
Put all the fantasy genres in the same section/area (just for asthetics)
Add:
Space Opera/Serial
Alternate History
Robot/Android
Tech Noir (or combine with Cyberpunk as there is lots of overlap)
Comedy
On the Genre section:
Combine "Cyborg" with "Cybernetic Revolt" as CR is basically a sub-genre of Cyborg.
I'd argue to drop "Paranormal" as it's typically more horror with little to no sci-fi trappings.
Swap "Superhero" for "Comic book"
Change "Mutants" to "Mutants - non critter"
Put all the fantasy genres in the same section/area (just for asthetics)
Add:
Space Opera/Serial
Alternate History
Robot/Android
Tech Noir (or combine with Cyberpunk as there is lots of overlap)
Comedy
Based on my comment that "Cybernetic Revolt" is a subset of "Cyborg" they are either/or choices. Watch *either* a Cyborg film *or* a Cybernetic Revolt film.
That means you can count Robocop and not have to look for something else.
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You're *Mister Peepers*!
You guys are *killing* me with the name changes... I have enough trouble keeping everyone straight without that too!
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You guys are going to force me to pick up a copy of this series! I almost purchased a copy a couple of years ago when it was on sale everywhere for ~$10 but couldn't get past the possible disc issues with the DS/DL discs coupled with not liking the series much during its original airing. It's one of those I *really* wanted to like but, in spite of the "hot" women, it felt too "kidified" at the time with the robot being especially annoying. I've become more forgiving as I age... With the newly released SS versions temptation is pulling again as both seasons cost only a couple of $$ more than the earlier set.
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For me both Spidey's were both origin stories which followed the same trajectory: bit by spider, poor Uncle Ben, romance the girl, fight with villain with whom the hero has a personal relationship. The new version would have been better served to skip the origin story all together and go directly to Spidey vs. Lizard with short flashbacks to dad's relationship to Parker and Connors. I have a feeling I'm going to like the next Spidey film for precisely that reason. I also enjoyed Spider-Man 2 more than I enjoyed Rami's first or third outing.
Actually, I didn't like some of the changes between the Raimi origin - close to the comics - and the Webb origin. But what was done so well (and subtly) was that Uncle Ben's death was so pointless, so lonely and so avoidable. That's important. It's not grand and defining, it's meaningless and guilt-inducing.
(And those origin beats you identify are broadly "superhero" beats rather than Spider-man ones...!)
Both Burton and Nolan's stories were visually dark but I find Burton's version to be more lighthearted mostly due to Nicholson's comical over-the-top performance and the upbeat Prince music. Nolan's version contains the origin story (which we don't see in the earlier versions) so it's something new and we learn more about Bruce Wayne - Keaton made a fine Batman but he was a boring Bruce Wayne.
So now I'm thinking I need to re-watch Spider-man and make sure I'm not misremembering my thoughts...!With all the comments here, I need to re-add that to my list of things to prioritise. When - if - I have money.
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You guys are going to force me to pick up a copy of this series! I almost purchased a copy a couple of years ago when it was on sale everywhere for ~$10 but couldn't get past the possible disc issues with the DS/DL discs coupled with not liking the series much during its original airing. It's one of those I *really* wanted to like but, in spite of the "hot" women, it felt too "kidified" at the time with the robot being especially annoying. I've become more forgiving as I age... With the newly released SS versions temptation is pulling again as both seasons cost only a couple of $$ more than the earlier set.
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You may argue "everyone knows that" but I beg to differ. It's still possible people haven't heard that information, especially kids, and the last one is *BIG* in the SW saga. I made sure my grandson saw V *before* I, II, and III. It made a difference in spite of him liking Jar-Jar. He's also been instructed not to blurt it out if he and his friends are talking SW just in case another kid doesn't know.
The best order I've seen argued, and what we use, is this:
IV, V, I, II, III, VI
You get the fleshing out of the universe, the big reveals of V along with the cliff-hanger ending, and then "flashback" to see how it began in I, II, and III keeping the reveal
as you now find out in Episode III rather than VI, followed by the big ending and celebratory finish of VI. You then have a satisfying conclusion rather than the somewhat dour ending of Episode III. It makes for a better overall viewing experience.
IV, V, I, II, III, VI
You get the fleshing out of the universe, the big reveals of V along with the cliff-hanger ending, and then "flashback" to see how it began in I, II, and III keeping the reveal
Spoiler:
as you now find out in Episode III rather than VI, followed by the big ending and celebratory finish of VI. You then have a satisfying conclusion rather than the somewhat dour ending of Episode III. It makes for a better overall viewing experience.
I've seen it argued you don't need Episode I in that group because Anakin is now introduced as the angry teenager in Episode II and you never see him as the happy kid. This is called "The Machete Order". The link on the name is by the guy who came up with it. He has some rather good observations about the films and why this works. I intend to give this one a shot as it sounds like the best viewing order. Currently I keep Episode I in rotation just for my grandson as he really likes Jar-Jar (again - target audience so I understand) and the pod race sequence (I find it overly long and borderline boring).
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SS = single sided
Some people have reported some/many errors with various Universal DS/DL discs. So far, I've been one of the lucky ones who hasn't run into any issues with any of mine.
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I did finished Buck Rogers a few days ago, and now I'm sad there are no more new episodes to watch. The second season was very hit and miss for me. I commend the creators for trying to get away from the formulaic nature of the first season, but some of the episodes were just awful. The one that springs to mind is 2.10, "Shgoratchx!" which has our intrepid heroes happening onto a deserted freighter inhabited by unstable bombs and some of the most annoying characters ever! It didn't help that it came right after "The Satry", a meandering, boring mess of an episode. A couple episodes later, the team returns to Earth, and I was sad that none of the dropped characters made appearances.
The series ends on a high note with "The Dorian Secret" which does make the leads look a bit stupid as well as self-righteous. But there are lots of interesting elements that make it a fun way for the series to end. Quite honestly, I think the characters (even watered-down-Deering) had a lot more mileage and could have at least finished out a full season.
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Two years ago, I bought the box set containing all eleven episodes of the anime sci-fi series, EDEN OF THE EAST (2009). I finally watched the first three episodes yesterday. It's about a young Japanese guy whose memories have been erased and all he has is a high-tech cellphone that pays for everything and connects him to a "concierge" named Juiz who gets him whatever he needs. He finds himself suddenly outside the White House, naked, with only the cellphone and a gun. He manages to elude the police and gets help from a Japanese student who's on her way back to Japan, which has been hit by inexplicable missile attacks. She had visited New York and has lots of pix she took of NYC landmarks, including the Freedom Tower, the first time I've seen this new landmark represented on film. Back in Japan, the guy, Akira, figures out his last address and it turns out to be a closed shopping mall and he just happens to have the key to get in.
It has the potential to be a true mind-tripping anime series, like "Gantz," "Serial Experiments Lain," and "Boogiepop Phantom," but we'll see as it develops. What I especially like is the frequent stream of movie references. When the two enter the empty, abandoned shopping mall, he says, "It's like something out of 'Dawn of the Dead.'" He also makes references to TAXI DRIVER and CINEMA PARADISO, among other films. When she requests a film to be shown in the mall's theater, she asks for "that French film about the dolphin and the diver" and they show something called THE COLD BLUE, with animated clips from it, although I think they mean Luc Besson's THE BIG BLUE.
It has the potential to be a true mind-tripping anime series, like "Gantz," "Serial Experiments Lain," and "Boogiepop Phantom," but we'll see as it develops. What I especially like is the frequent stream of movie references. When the two enter the empty, abandoned shopping mall, he says, "It's like something out of 'Dawn of the Dead.'" He also makes references to TAXI DRIVER and CINEMA PARADISO, among other films. When she requests a film to be shown in the mall's theater, she asks for "that French film about the dolphin and the diver" and they show something called THE COLD BLUE, with animated clips from it, although I think they mean Luc Besson's THE BIG BLUE.
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If you still haven't watched it yet, read this before you do http://www.cracked.com/article_18967...anings_p2.html



