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Giles 09-08-12 10:21 PM

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^ not to be a kill joy, but I don't think non-Criterion commissioned supplement material is game for this challenge. but hey that's just my opinion

you should give the King Kong commentary on the laserdisc a spin, it's more informative (and different) than the commentary on the BD edition.

Trevor 09-08-12 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11376944)
^ not to be a kill joy, but I don't think non-Criterion commissioned supplement material is game for this challenge. but hey that's just my opinion

you should give the King Kong commentary on the laserdisc a spin, it's more informative (and different) than the commentary on the BD edition.

I agree. That's why I'm not watching it this month. I just couldn't resist the spider pit stuff.

Thanks for the tip on the laser commentary. I'll track it down.

Travis McClain 09-09-12 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 11373371)
The question is, if the ending is so awful that they turned it off, how did they see the ending?

I chalk it up to Internet hyperbole.


Originally Posted by tellybox (Post 11376004)
See, I went into [High Noon] knowing little to nothing (I pictured it to be a cliche ridden western). It wasn't until after that I read about the John Wayne comments and such.

Have you ever revisited it, MinLShaw?

Well, I just saw it for the first time last June during the Historical Appreciation Challenge. Revisiting it hasn't been much of a priority in 15 months. Eventually, I'll give it another go and see how it plays the second time through.

Oh, and I'm Travis, BTW. :)

Travis McClain 09-09-12 03:44 AM

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I hit the library earlier yesterday. I'm planning to go see Raiders of the Lost Ark in IMAX with some friends later today, so it seemed as good a time as any to finally sit down with Kakushi-toride no san-akunin [The Hidden Fortress]. It's one of the several Criterion Collection DVDs they have. Here's my review, as posted on Letterboxd.

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS

Spoiler:
One of the checklist items for the DVD Talk Criterion Challenge is to watch a Criterion DVD in its entirety. I freely admit, what put <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> to the top of the list of Criterion releases I wanted to consume so thoroughly was its inclusion of the video interview with George Lucas. I almost feel bad about that, embarrassed and a bit resentful that my being a fan of <I>Star Wars</I> should make me so pliable. Yet, Criterion clearly counted on that; the relationship between this film and Lucas's flagship franchise is plastered all over this release, from the inclusion of the aforementioned video to an outright declaration of its influence in the DVD synopsis. I figure if they're willing to pander to <I>Star Wars</I> fanboys, I can meet them halfway and allow them to pander.

By the end of the first scene, I had already cottoned onto the most obvious parallel: the peasants (reincarnated as the droids, R2-D2 and C-3PO). I kind of enjoyed wondering whether R2 was bleeped because he was saying to 3PO some of what Tahei and Matashichi say to one another throughout the film. Of course, then we get to the scene where the two pick straws to see which one will leave and which will get a chance to sexually assault the sleeping princess and I found myself irrevocably disgusted by the pair of them for the duration of the film. I know it was played for laughs and to remind us how base the two are, but I just could not forgive them that.

Wipe transitional edits also stood out as a common element. There were the shots of enemy forces gathering in the trees with an odd horn sounding (borrowed for both <I>Return of the Jedi</I> and <I>The Phantom Menace</I>). And, of course, the whole idea of the princess hiding behind decoys was recycled in <I>The Phantom Menace</I>, as noted by Armond White in his 2001 <a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/117-the-hidden-fortress>essay</a>. Still, I wasn't trying to keep score of similarities between <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> and <I>Star Wars</I>; I was trying to enjoy and appreciate <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> for what it is.

I did appreciate the grand, old-school adventurousness of the story. It's great fun. As David Ehrenstein notes in his 1987 <a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/837-the-hidden-fortress>essay</a>: "Overall, there’s a sense of sheer 'movieness' to <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> that places it plainly in the ranks of such grand adventure entertainments as <I>Gunga Din</I>, <I>The Thief of Baghdad</I>, and Fritz Lang’s celebrated diptych <I>The Tiger of Eschnapur</I> and <I>The Hindu Tomb</I>." This is a very kinetic film that moves at a brisk clip from start to finish. The premise is ultimately that this is a sort of "road" picture, and the key to such films is to keep things moving. That generally means one setback after another to befall our protagonists, and that's precisely what <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> offers.

Outside of the aforementioned peasants, I did like the three other principals. We quickly accept Rokurota as a bad-ass, knowing that this is not a guy to be underestimated or crossed...and secretly, we hope someone is fool enough to make him demonstrate why. I particularly enjoyed his relationship with Hyoe Tadokoro: adversarial, but bonded through mutual respect. I've always been a sucker for those kinds of relationships in stories, where people are able to connect with one another despite the schism of allegiances and causes, etc., between them. Hyoe's eventual defection was obvious, but triumphant all the same.

Princess Yuki's exasperation at Japanese stoicism and fealty to her and the class system is surprising, and also humanizing. Yet, there's something about the always-angry performance of Misa Uehara that's entirely incongruous with the character. Yes, I get it; she was raised to be masculine and she lacks the softness of femininity. Just the same, there is a surprising lack of subtlety to her anger and forcefulness that prevents me from fully accepting Yuki as a developed character.

There was greater room in the story to develop the character of the farmer's daughter, rescued from slavery by the princess (by way of Rokurota). Of course, her role in the film is obvious: the loyalty she shows the princess is earned, not instructed. She represents the kind of relationship between sovereign and subject that Yuki can respect and appreciate, a stark contrast between the mindlessness she accuses Rokurota and others of according her.

Yet, even though she's there facing execution with the princess in the end, I find myself disappointed that we don't get a sense of her fate once they've safely reached Akizuki. (Or, if we do, I missed it because I had to yell at the cats.)

Of course, I also come to the film with virtually no meaningful exposure to Japanese culture or cinema. I did study Japan in a cursory fashion years ago when I took a course on East Asian history & politics, so I have a sense of the basics but it's certainly a blind spot for me.

<B>DVD Bonus Features</B>

Lucas on Kurosawa (8:08)

This was, of course, the big draw for me. It's actually perfect: in eight minutes, Lucas emphasizes that <I>The Hidden Fortress</I> isn't his favorite Kurosawa film, or even in his top four, and that the only thing he really borrowed from it for <I>Star Wars</I> was the point-of-view of the peasants/droids. Lucas acknowledges the parallel of escorting a princess through enemy territory, but quickly dismisses it as more coincidence, noting that his princess, Leia, "is much more of a stand-and-fight" character than is Yuki. Leave it to Lucas to take a lot of hype and quash it.

Original Theatrical Trailer (3:47)

An alright trailer, I suppose, though I confess I'm not sure seeing it would have necessarily made me any more eager to see the film. Trailers are really difficult to appraise this far removed from their original era. I did catch where the subtitles misspelled "couldn't" as "coudn't" at one point. That made me cringe.


Kakushi-toride no san-akunin [The Hidden Fortress]
-X- 1950s (1958)
-X- Language (Japanese)
-X- Top 10 Director (Akira Kurosawa)
-X- Themes (Originals, Samurai Cinema)
-X- Spine Range 101-150 (#116)
-X- Read an essay (The Hidden Fortress by David Ehrenstein, 1987; The Hidden Fortress by Armond White, 2001)
-X- Watch a Criterion disc completely. Every part of it.

Undeadcow 09-09-12 04:29 AM

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Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is a subtle film with pointed social commentary and humor, too bad there's no commentary (which might defeat the purpose).

On to The Element of Crime, which is so far perhaps too experimental.

CardiffGiant 09-09-12 08:41 AM

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After flying through a couple of shorter films, I got the bright idea to start the 5-hour television version of Scenes of a Marriage last night. My intention is to watch it like a television mini-series (an episode or two each night). So far, one episode in, and it's Bergman doing what he does best. A heartbreaking work already with brutal honesty about human relationships. I don't think I'll be regretting the 299 minutes.


Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11377075)
Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is a subtle film with pointed social commentary and humor, too bad there's no commentary (which might defeat the purpose).

I have this sitting on the DVR, so I'm glad to hear it's enjoyable. I think I'll be tackling this after Scenes of a Marriage.

Trevor 09-09-12 11:32 AM

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Had a great time devouring most of spine #562 last night.

Blow Out
Been putting off watching this for years. Loved it, but then, I seem to like almost everything Depalma does. Really impressed by Travolta here. More after I finish the disc.

Murder a la Mod
Saw this years ago on a Something Weird disc, and never imagined that I'd see it next via a Criterion blu-ray!

Gobear 09-09-12 12:42 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I watched House of Games. What a great movie! Mamet brings the viewer on Margaret's journey through a world of trickery and sleaze.
Spoiler:
. I find it difficult to blame Margaret for being fooled by the same scam twice when I fell for it as well, despite being warned repeatedly by Mantegna's character that we can't trust him or that world.


I am also more than halfway done with the checklist. If I keep up my pace, I may complete it by the end of the week.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 09-09-12 05:59 PM

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Secret of the Grain was decent enough. It had it's slow moments but overall it was worth a watch, even if the ending was easily seen a mile away.

Watched The Honeymoon Killers yesterday. It was interesting to see the lady I knew as the snoopy neighbor from Pee-Wee's Playhouse in a role like this.

rocket1312 09-09-12 06:08 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
After a few days I was finally able to get back to the challenge. Last night I screened Three Colors: Blue. This was my first viewing and my only previous experience with Kieslowski was The Double Life of Veronique (which I've been meaning to revisit for some time).

First off, Blue is a gorgeous film, but that was no surprise considering Kieslowski was working with cinematographer Sławomir Idziak, who was the cinematographer on the similarly beautiful Veronique. What did surprise me was how wonderful the audio was. This may sound crazy, but this was probably the best audio experience I've had at home since I upgraded my sound system last winter. For those who haven't seen the film, Juliette Binoche plays a woman who loses her composer husband and young daughter in a car accident and subsequently attempts to live her life void of any further emotional attachments. At the time of his death, her husband was composing a new piece of music and throughout the film there are scenes when Julie (Binoche's character) has brief moments of remembrance and the soundtrack swells with her husband's music. The music is beautiful yet mournful and just enveloped my family room to the point where I was concerned it might wake my sleeping wife. There was no way I was going to lower the volume though and deny my ears the experience.

I also have to mention the job Juliette Binoche did. To say she carries the entire film is a gross understatement. There are a handful of other characters, but for the most part the film is hers and hers alone. What's most interesting to me is that while the circumstances Julie finds herself in should demand much sympathy from the audience, she isn't a totally sympathetic character.
Spoiler:
Even late in the film when she shows generosity to both her stripper neighbor and her husband's mistress, she does so with a coldness that suggests that while she acknowledges she can't cut herself off completely from the world, it doesn't mean she has to like it.
All in all a wonderful performance.

I'm going to try to watch White tonight. My understanding is that White is the least of the trilogy, but I don't imagine it will in any way be bad.

junglalien 09-09-12 09:53 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Eclipse Series 5: The First Films of Samuel Fuller (The Baron of Arizona / I Shot Jesse James / The Steel Helmet) $10.49
http://www.amazon.com/Eclipse-Samuel...lipse+Series+5

Travis McClain 09-10-12 01:33 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Thoughts for next year's checklist that have crossed my mind while trying to pick out my next movie:

Expand the Top 10 to selecting, say, 10 of the spotlighted People. This includes the Top 10, but expands to give us more variety of directors and actors, as well. Presently, there are 49 profiles in the People section.

Add Watch a Top 10 List. It's comparable in effect to Watch an entire Criterion Collector's Set/Eclipse Box Set (though admittedly involving a greater number of films). The appeal here is to get a better understanding of an individual's taste. For instance, I know there are several Wes Anderson fans among us. Since his filmography is still fairly small (smaller yet when we exclude the non-Criterion works), perhaps it might be interesting to those participants to check out his Top 10 Criterions and get a newer sense of the auteur that way.

Also, I came across CriterionCast.com earlier tonight. There's plenty to read, though of course it's not official Criterion content. Particularly relevant to participants, however, is that they have a list of Criterion titles actively streaming on Netflix. I count 64 titles. Several are also streaming on HuluPlus but of course, that doesn't mean anything to our Netflix-only participants.

Travis McClain 09-10-12 04:08 AM

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Roger Ebert's daily streamer selection today is Carnival of Souls (DVD #63). It's on Netflix until Friday. Here's his review, which obviously isn't an official Criterion essay and doesn't count toward the checklist but may be of interest all the same.

NoirFan 09-10-12 10:04 AM

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Days of Heaven looks so damn pretty on Blu-ray that I just had to take a photo!

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...1/photo-11.jpg

I'm off to a late and slow start, but I'd still like to make it through my unwatched Criterion Blu-ray titles this month.

Gobear 09-10-12 11:51 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by junglalien (Post 11378004)
Eclipse Series 5: The First Films of Samuel Fuller (The Baron of Arizona / I Shot Jesse James / The Steel Helmet) $10.49
http://www.amazon.com/Eclipse-Samuel...lipse+Series+5

I'm trying to avoid purchasing movies since I have such a huge unwatched pile, but an Eclipse box at this price is irresistible. In for 1.

I watched A Woman Is a Woman last night, which only re-confirmed my distaste for Godard. I find his films to be incredibly lazy and self-indulgent. The screenplays seem half-finished, and he barely gives his actors much in the way of direction. Moreover, Ana Karina is lovely to behold, but she is a terrible actress.

I can deal with the overly cute script (although the fighting by book titles was just too twee for me. And the subtitles weren't entirely faithful translations from the French--in that scene, "Va Te Faire Foutre" does NOT mean "Go to hell", but the much stronger "Go ----yourself"), but the acting and the visual devices like the printed words onscreen really took me out of the movie, although I suppose alienation of the viewer was an intended effect.

And what is with the loud blaring cartoon music throughout the film? I don't mean Michel LeGrand's songs, but the Carl Stallingsesque score you'd hear in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

So far, the only Godard movie I have enjoyed watching is Vivre Sa Vie.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 09-10-12 02:36 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I watched A Woman Is a Woman a little over a year ago. I don't remember anything about it but looking at how I rated it, I must have really hated it. Also not a fan of Godard. I went through a bunch of his films around the same time and he's one of the directors I dread if I'm about to watch something of his.

I also know I'm going against the grain of this thread when I admit I don't like Ingmar Bergman. I didn't mind some of the stuff I've seen of his at first but the more I watched, the more of the same types of things I'd see in each film, carried over to each other and it's just one of those things that started annoying me. I'm also finding them to be overly long and predictable and I know I have a couple more things of his on my watch list. I'm not exactly thrilled about it but I find him much more tolerable than Godard.

Travis McClain 09-10-12 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 11378887)
I also know I'm going against the grain of this thread when I admit I don't like Ingmar Bergman. I didn't mind some of the stuff I've seen of his at first but the more I watched, the more of the same types of things I'd see in each film, carried over to each other and it's just one of those things that started annoying me. I'm also finding them to be overly long and predictable and I know I have a couple more things of his on my watch list. I'm not exactly thrilled about it but I find him much more tolerable than Godard.

I can entirely appreciate your feelings on the matter. For me, however, that's actually part of the appeal. I've gone through something like 14 or so Bergman films so far, and one thing I enjoy is that he returns to the same basic themes time and again - often with the same troupe of actors. It's a lot like music, really. I know without even reading the song listing about what to expect from a Johnny Cash album from any era of his career. One could argue that there's something dull about the endless parade of songs about prison, rural hardship and Christianity from one album to the next, but for me the appeal is finding what new slant each song offers on the subjects.

In the case of Bergman's filmography, I find it particularly interesting to make my way through a handful of successive works together. The differences in perspective are often subtle from one picture to the next, but after a few of them, it's easier to stand back and get a sense of the transformation at work over those few films. I enjoy following his film-by-film evolution as storyteller, each work offering a little more nuance and reflection than the last.

This is, of course, the exact opposite from a filmography like, say, Stanley Kubrick's. Kubrick did one film in pretty much every genre, rarely revisiting similar subject material at all. The appeal there is to be taken somewhere entirely new each time out, and I get that, too. There's something about Bergman's rich atmospheres, though, that make me feel comfortable. I feel a part of the world he created, almost like he's the Ghost of Christmas Past, escorting me through a series of goings-on to which I had been oblivious.

CardiffGiant 09-10-12 03:44 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 11377695)
After a few days I was finally able to get back to the challenge. Last night I screened Three Colors: Blue. This was my first viewing and my only previous experience with Kieslowski was The Double Life of Veronique (which I've been meaning to revisit for some time).

First off, Blue is a gorgeous film...

I'm glad to hear that the set is good so far. I have the Trilogy sitting, still wrapped, on my shelf. I, too, have only seen Veronique, which I love and look forward to revisiting.

Thanks for sharing your experience with it. I was worried that Veronique set the bar too high.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 09-10-12 03:49 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11378927)
the same troupe of actors

That's one of the things that bothers me. There's a couple of directors where I know that a certain people are going to show up in similar roles. Minor pet peeve of mine.

CardiffGiant 09-10-12 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11378192)
Thoughts for next year's checklist that have crossed my mind while trying to pick out my next movie:

Expand the Top 10 to selecting, say, 10 of the spotlighted People. This includes the Top 10, but expands to give us more variety of directors and actors, as well. Presently, there are 49 profiles in the People section.

I like this. As I work my way through the checklist (I might actually make it!), I'm realizing that the 10 directors is a really limiting category and I want people to be able to complete the challenge in the same way that I've completed the Academy Awards Challenge. Once the film viewing becomes tedious (to get checks), then the entire idea behind these challenges gets destroyed. So, in case I forget, remind me of this fact next year.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11378192)
Add Watch a Top 10 List. It's comparable in effect to Watch an entire Criterion Collector's Set/Eclipse Box Set (though admittedly involving a greater number of films). The appeal here is to get a better understanding of an individual's taste. For instance, I know there are several Wes Anderson fans among us. Since his filmography is still fairly small (smaller yet when we exclude the non-Criterion works), perhaps it might be interesting to those participants to check out his Top 10 Criterions and get a newer sense of the auteur that way.

I like the spirit of this idea and I remember trying to find a way to incorporate it last year. The problems that I see with it is similar to what I stated above: it becomes more of a roadblock than one getting swept up in any singular list. The real problem is access. Whereas we have invited people to go through their collections, streaming, etc., you now would have to get close to having instant access to most of the films. While that concern might be small, many of the lists have more than 10 films and many contain films that are OOP. While it might be easy to track down a copy of Robocop or This is Spinal Tap, locating some of the other more rare titles might prove difficult.

I think it's good to know that it's there and I think it's could be a fun personal challenge, but I'm hesitant to add such a weighty requirement to the checklist. I've always been a fan of the spirit that Trevor established with the first challenge that it was about depth rather than breadth. I think we should be careful about adding more categories without a really good reason. I think I mentioned in the discussion thread that no one completed the checklist last year (you got the closest). While completed the checklist isn't the goal, I think it's good to establish some kind of goal that gets people watching "different" material. The language, director, and decade list accomplishes that fairly well.

That's just my opinion, I've always had the perspective that this is a shared responsibility, so we can make it based on what others think when the challenge rolls around again next year.

Travis McClain 09-10-12 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 11378982)
That's one of the things that bothers me. There's a couple of directors where I know that a certain people are going to show up in similar roles. Minor pet peeve of mine.

I kinda like it when a particular director has a stable cast. Their filmographies take on a sort of "community theater" feel. On some level, I am taken out of the movie by the familiarity of faces, but somehow it also allows me to concentrate more clearly on the story being told rather than to focus on the characters. I'll have to think more about how to articulate this, because I know what I've just typed isn't very helpful.


Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11379003)
I like the spirit of this idea and I remember trying to find a way to incorporate it last year. The problems that I see with it is similar to what I stated above: it becomes more of a roadblock than one getting swept up in any singular list. The real problem is access.

Solid points, and I've considered them myself even since before I suggested it. I don't think that it's necessarily a deterrent to watch ten specific films, partly because we'd obviously pick a list that interested us and partly because the variety of choices on any given list is going to whittle away big time at the rest of the checklist. It doesn't seem much more challenging than trying to hit all the spine ranges, really.

Access, however, is a major sticking point - even for those of us with a HuluPlus subscription. I've looked at a few lists (Steve Buscemi's and Diablo Cody's among them) and I haven't found a single list right now where I have access to the whole ten. By next September, perhaps more of the older titles will be more readily available to stream?

Perhaps we might add it as a sort of optional, advanced, Trevor-level checklist item? Speaking of optional items, I forgot to again suggest listening to a soundtrack album. I was reminded because I've got $5 in Amazon MP3 credit and I'm strongly leaning toward redeeming it toward Nino Rota's 8 1/2 score.

shadokitty 09-10-12 07:18 PM

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If anyone is interested, the Horror Etc podcast deviated from their usual format in one podcast, in which they deidcated an entire podcast to the works of Bergman. I forget which episode it was or when the ep was produced, but it is on their website.

http://www.horroretc.com/

CardiffGiant 09-10-12 10:29 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11379016)
I don't think that it's necessarily a deterrent to watch ten specific films, partly because we'd obviously pick a list that interested us and partly because the variety of choices on any given list is going to whittle away big time at the rest of the checklist. It doesn't seem much more challenging than trying to hit all the spine ranges, really.

Well, the spine numbers give you a lot more range. You have to watch the ten that are there, with the spine numbers, I can pick from many combinations. I can go through 50 and find at least one I like; I've yet to find one list that I'm in love with (despite loving some of the people).


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11379016)
Access, however, is a major sticking point - even for those of us with a HuluPlus subscription. I've looked at a few lists (Steve Buscemi's and Diablo Cody's among them) and I haven't found a single list right now where I have access to the whole ten. By next September, perhaps more of the older titles will be more readily available to stream?

Yeah, who knows where the collection will be in a year? If things are more available, that could change the dynamic a bit, but I'm still hesitant about a list that would require that many. Like I said, I think it's a good personal goal, like "watch all of a director's films" and then someone choose Kurosawa or Bergman to show off/have a sense of personal achievement. I think a lot of our checklists (for all challenges) have wiggle room for this type of personal goal-setting. Technically, I've watched the whole disc of The Bank Dick, but that's because there are no extras. I'm setting higher goals than simply checking that one off, but I suppose I could.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11379016)
Speaking of optional items, I forgot to again suggest listening to a soundtrack album. I was reminded because I've got $5 in Amazon MP3 credit and I'm strongly leaning toward redeeming it toward Nino Rota's 8 1/2 score.

This should happen next challenge. Here's where the access is really simple. As I type this, I'm listening to The Third Man soundtrack on Spotify. I did a quick search and there are a lot on there: Black Orpheus, Dazed and Confused, Easy Rider, 8.5, Head, Monterrey Pop (duh), Wes Anderson's films, Elevator to the Gallows and the list goes on and on. Also, there's YouTube, or CDs/Records/Wax Cylinders, etc.

Anyway, I think it's a great idea, it's a way to think about the film in a different way and there's this: Criterion Great Soundtracks. So, remind me next year, so we can get that added.

Travis McClain 09-11-12 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11379532)
Well, the spine numbers give you a lot more range. You have to watch the ten that are there, with the spine numbers, I can pick from many combinations. I can go through 50 and find at least one I like; I've yet to find one list that I'm in love with (despite loving some of the people).

My point about the spines was specifically in response to the observation that a Top 10 list is much more demanding than a box set. But yeah, the specificity can be off-putting. In my case, I'm open to watching anything in the Criterion Collection (though obviously, I'm more interested in some and less interested in others). Some Top 10 lists would have me re-watch something, though, and I generally prefer to concentrate on first time viewings these days.

Anyway, it was merely a consideration and not something I'm going to really campaign for inclusion. I've put it out there and I'm content to let it go at that.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 09-11-12 11:58 AM

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Last year I did the checklist a bit but this year I'm not even bothering with it. The main reason, which I ran into last year, was the director list. I'm focusing on first time viewing and didn't watch anything from those guy, mainly because I've already seen most of their stuff. Since they all carried over to this year, I just dropped doing the checklist altogether.

I'd be more interested if it was just watching 10 different directors or if it was like the option where some were grouped together and you just had to watch one in the group.


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