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Travis McClain 09-11-12 12:08 PM

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Streamed Belle de jour this morning. Here's my review, as published on Letterboxd:

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS

Spoiler:
This is one of those iconic films that manages to come to the attention of pretty much anyone interested in film. It's been on my radar since my adolescence, when it was always conspicuously prominent for some reason at the local movie rental place. Maybe it wasn't conspicuous and I just gravitated toward it? I don't know. But as an adolescent, I knew I couldn't ask to rent it and by the time I was in my teens it just seemed intimidating.

I finally decided to stream it this morning, though, after almost watching it yesterday afternoon. Typically, I prefer to watch amoral films about sexuality later at night, but since the premise of this one is that Séverine is a daytime prostitute, it seemed appropriate to watch during the daylight hours.

There's quite a lot here to enjoy and appreciate. There are several surprises throughout, including that jarring first scene. Initially, I thought perhaps it was going to be one of those things where the film starts at the present and then jumps backward to explain how we got there. I was somewhat relieved when it turned out to be a sordid daydream. That set the tone for the rest of the film, and I was mostly satisfied with its consistency.

[By far the, strangest scene has to be the older guy who hires her to lie in a coffin as his deceased daughter. Seriously: WTAF?!]

I enjoyed the performances, too. Every person in the film felt authentic; Catherine Deneuve is rightly praised for her terrific turn as Séverine. Whole volumes of praise have been written about her work here, and I'll defer to those. I will say that what I appreciated most is the subtlety of her performance. Her surreptitious facial reactions and her body language imbue the character and the film with a great deal of depth.

One of the hardest things about adapting literary work to film is that interior thoughts are very difficult to put on screen. Really, the only way is through voiceover and that's often a very cumbersome technique. Deneuve's performance here stops just short of narrating Séverine's internal thoughts while still conveying them. We know what she's thinking and feeling, but only because we're in on it with her. It's the voyeuristic equivalent of sharing an in-joke in front of other people.

I also particularly enjoyed Pierre Clémenti as Marcel; simmering in every shot, imposing yet captivating. Credit also to Geneviéve Page for her meticulous and cool Madame Anaïs. Even when she's off-screen, she sets the tone for everything at the brothel, and by extension, the entire film.

Despite some rich characters and several genuine surprises along the way, <I>Belle de jour</I> suffers in the end from feels like a rushed finale. We're headed toward problems with Marcel all along, and he's clearly a bad apple, but shooting Pierre and then being shot himself? It happens so quickly that it feels as though we're now mindful of the clock and need to wrap things up. It's not even the sequence itself that's the matter for me so much as the editing. It's unclear whether Marcel knew Pierre would come by soon, or if it was a crime of convenience. It's too abrupt and tidy for my liking, particularly after the first hour and a half was spent exploring things so off the beaten path.

I also feel a bit cheated out of the story of Séverine & Pierre's relationship. I feel that too much was told, not shown. Séverine appears frigid, but why? What is the basis of their relationship? It's clearly not sex, so what then? It would have given me a greater sense of the context of Séverine's self-exploration had I better understood her life before we meet her - and if we'd checked in more intimately on her and Pierre throughout the film.

I rarely think of how to recast a film and rarer still do I think of such things while watching, but this time through I couldn't help but come up with some contemporary cast choices:

Séverine Serizy - Jeri Ryan
Pierre Serizy - James Marsden
Madame Anaïs - Samantha Bond
Marcel - Cillian Murphy or Benicio del Toro


Belle de jour
-X- 1960s (1967)
-X- Language (French)
-X- Spine Range #551-600 (#593)
-X- Read an essay: Belle de jour: Tough Love by Melissa Anderson

Travis McClain 09-11-12 12:18 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 11380170)
I'd be more interested if it was just watching 10 different directors or if it was like the option where some were grouped together and you just had to watch one in the group.

That's why I proposed expanding that to watching movies featuring X number of the spotlighted People. That list presently stands at 49, including actors and directors.

I would modify that suggestion now that I think about it so as to not allow duplication. That is, you couldn't watch Belle de jour as I just did and count it for both Luis Buñuel AND Catherine Deneuve to get 2 checks out of the X People section with the one film.

rocket1312 09-11-12 03:04 PM

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Two more down...

I continued to work my way through the Three Colors Trilogy, with the next one being White. From what I've read, the general consensus seems to be that White is the weakest of the three films. I have yet to see Red, but I can see why some might be of this opinion. First off, White is a much more provincial film than Blue. What I mean by that is much of the film is about the current (at the time) political/economic climate in Poland. The Soviet Union had crumbled and Poland came out from behind the Iron Curtain and was learning to navigate the free market as well as integrate itself into the European community. While no doubt important to Kieslowski and others living in Poland in the early 90's, these ideas/themes are not nearly as universal as those found in Blue. While White's story can be enjoyed in and of itself, this background information really is key to unlocking it's deeper meanings.

White also doesn't showcase the kind of bravura filmmaking on display in Veronique, Blue, and (from what I understand) Red. That isn't to say that it's a technically inferior film, it's just not as flashy. The Polish locales in the film are much more drab, and with this being "White" the coverall color scheme much more muted. While there are some sequences that are quite beautiful (the wedding flashbacks, for example) this would not be the disc you would put in to show your friends how "pretty" Kieslowski's films are.

All of the above might make it sound like I don't think much of White, but that is hardly the case at all. White's story of a down-on-his-luck Polish hairdresser who's scheming to get his life back together after his French wife divorces him is essentially a black comedy that can also be rather touching. I knew very little about it going in and was surprised at how fun it was. While I really liked Blue, it can be pretty depressing and it took me a while to get in the mood to see it. White, on the other hand, is a much more typical "night at the movies" (at aleast as far as Kieslowski goes), if that makes any sense at all. Zbigniew Zamachowski is great as the schlubby hairdresser who's seemingly trying to both win his ex-wife back and get revenge on her at the same time. He's very easy to root for. On the other hand, he's certainly not as nice to look at as Juliette Binoche or Irene Jakob and quite frankly, in addition to the reasons I mentioned above, I think this is a big part of why White might get overlooked in lieu of the other two films. It's sounds kind of silly, but I honestly believe it. That's not to discount Julie Delpy, who looks great as the ex-wife, but while her character drives much of the action, she doesn't appear on screen for much of the film. (And I don't mean to relegate Delpy to simply eye candy. She gives a good performance as well.)

All in and all White's a great film and one that I definitely recommend. It doesn't quite have the lasting resonance of Blue, but then it's a very different kind of film. I'll also add that the ending really surprised me and I look forward to revisiting after I finish the trilogy as I'm not sure exactly what to think about it. I have a hunch Red may clarify some things as well.

rocket1312 09-11-12 03:28 PM

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The other one I watched was Godzilla, King of the Monsters, which is the Americanized version of the Japanese original. This is really not much more than a curiosity for me. I enjoy the Japanese version, but the American one, which inserts new footage with Raymond Burr as a reporter who is witness to the events of the original, understandably strips away most of the politics which makes the original so much more compelling than your average giant monster movie. Especially considering that while I appreciate the artistry and ingenuity of the original's "Godzilla" sequences, I never found them particualrly thrilling on a visceral level. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that this version made any sort of traction here in the US, but then again, I'm coming to it 50+ years after the fact. I will give the producers credit for keeping the score from the Japanese version as it's one of the major strengths of the film. I wish the countless other American studios who bought the rights to Asian films over the years had made the same choice (I'm looking at you, Weinsteins *shakes fist*).

I can't see myself revisiting this again any time soon other than to watch it with the commentary, but I applaud Criterion for including both versions (and for including commentaries on both). I wish more studios would follow this example (again, I'm looking at you, Weinsteins *shakes fist again*)

***random aside*** I found it odd that for the first 20 minutes or so of the film the Japanese dialogue is left untouched with only Raymond Burr's naration to clue us in on what's going on, but after that traditional dubbing takes over. For example the scientist played by Takashi Shimura speaks Japanese at the first hearing/press conference, but after that speaks almost exclusively in English, including at later hearings/press conferences. Not really important, but it was funny to me.

Trevor 09-11-12 07:34 PM

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My wife asked me what I wanted for my birthday tomorrow. I've decided to ask her to spend the day with "the old me", the one who watched 280 films the month before he met her.

So I have one full day, possibly ~ 36 hours if we start tonight, to fully expose her to both Criterion, and "the old me". She is not a huge film fan, and also hates scary movies. I was going to use this as an opportunity to finally, and possibly lastly, watch horror films with her, doing 7 or so Criterion horror films.

I'm still leaning towards that, but perhaps I should throw in a non-horror gem or three. I know that none of you know her, but any suggestions on what to watch? Either the scariest Criterions or films of any genre that a complete non-film watcher would enjoy?

BobO'Link 09-11-12 07:44 PM

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^I'd suggest:

The Adventures of Robin Hood
A Hard Day's Night
A Night at the Opera
Adam's Rib
Arsenic and Old Lace
Casablanca
Hamlet
La Cage aux Folles
Scaramouche
Some Like it Hot
The Producers

I could name *lots* of others but they lean more toward "cult" type films. I'd throw in Monty Python's Life of Brian or Terry Gilliam's Time Bandits film if she's inclined to that type of comedy. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen is also a good comedy in the Python style.

For horror, I don't know if you would call it the "scariest" but I always enjoy Cat People and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Halloween is a great psycological type horror film.

shadokitty 09-11-12 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11380856)
My wife asked me what I wanted for my birthday tomorrow. I've decided to ask her to spend the day with "the old me", the one who watched 280 films the month before he met her.

So I have one full day, possibly ~ 36 hours if we start tonight, to fully expose her to both Criterion, and "the old me". She is not a huge film fan, and also hates scary movies. I was going to use this as an opportunity to finally, and possibly lastly, watch horror films with her, doing 7 or so Criterion horror films.

I'm still leaning towards that, but perhaps I should throw in a non-horror gem or three. I know that none of you know her, but any suggestions on what to watch? Either the scariest Criterions or films of any genre that a complete non-film watcher would enjoy?

Well, maybe classic horror like Godzilla King of the Monsters or Cat People?

Travis McClain 09-12-12 08:17 AM

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Yesterday, I hit the library again and checked out The Rolling Stones doc, Gimme Shelter. I've consumed the entire thing, though I had to read the essays from Criterion.com because the library doesn't have the booklet. My review of the film and bonus content and the commentary track and essays:

Spoiler:
My mom's brother, my Uncle Stuart, drowned as a teen a few years before I was born. Growing up, I heard often that I was a lot like him in personality and in interests. A few years ago, my grandfather cleared out a crate remaining at his house containing my uncle's record library. I didn't get the records; I'm too low on the totem pole for that. But I did go through and write down a list of every album he left behind and it's been a goal of mine to listen to all of those albums to see what I might learn about him through his taste in music.

The two bands most heavily represented in his library were The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. I've heard he loved them both, but favored the Stones. I grew up without a lot of exposure to the Stones. Mom listened to the oldies station, but in my youth they focused on the music of the 50s and early 60s. I was introduced to "Paint It, Black" in the 80s because it was used for the opening credits of the TV show, <I>Tour of Duty</I>. My dad, a Vietnam veteran, watched it. By then I wasn't really going for the biweekly visitations very often so even that exposure was minimal.

That's pretty much the context in which I came to this documentary, which I checked out on Criterion DVD from the Oldham County Public Library this afternoon. Directors David and Albert Maysles and Charlotte Zwern kept the narrative focused and engaging. A lot of music docs kind of meander, often unsure how to balance on-stage performance footage with behind-the-stage moments of candor. <I>Gimme Shelter</I> is not harangued by those uncertainties. From start to finish, this doc is concerned exclusively with the frenzy that erupted at the free show at the Altamont Speedway that culminated in the stabbing death of a concert-goer at the hands of a Hells Angel.

The editing is taut, the footage candid and <I>Gimme Shelter</I> never stumbles. It's one of those perfect zeitgeist works. Even without the unfortunate notoriety of the killing, the kind of access afforded the filmmakers ensured that this was going to be a fascinating look at not just a popular rock band on a hot tour, but a microcosm of the entire counterculture movement. The montage of the audience waiting for the show to begin suggests that the full footage could easily constitute an intriguing film all its own. (A woman gave birth, for crying out loud!)

I came away from <I>Gimme Shelter</I> with a much greater understanding of the infamous concert; prior to this, I was only peripherally aware of it. Moreover, though, I found myself wondering what my uncle would have had to say about it as someone who surely would have wanted to be in attendance himself. It's not at all the kind of scene where I ever pictured him. In my mind, he's always holed up in his bedroom either illustrating or reading something. The idea of him at an event like the Altamont concert is almost laughable...except that then I think of some of the places I've been and the things I've done and I'm reminded in a new way that he and I really are/were/would have been kindred spirits.

<B>The Criterion Collection DVD</B>
The film is compelling by itself, but the bonus content on the Criterion Collection DVD is top notch.

<B>Audio Commentary</B>
Documentary commentaries are rare, and for good reason: anything the documentarian wishes to say ought to be in the film. The passage of time, however, invites Maysles, Zwerin and Goldstein to try to place the film in its proper context - whether as a document of the concert, of the social zeitgeist captured on film, or even the place of <I>Gimme Shelter</I> in the annals of documentary films.

The appeal, then, is not to glean more about the content of the film - explored in depth throughout the Criterion DVD's generous other bonus content - but in this perspective of those who made it, making sense of just what they made. Zwerin, we learn, was the one who proposed editing the film around the notorious killing. Cutting back and forth from the road to the Altamont concert to the aftermath imbues the film partly with its structure, but also with its soul. Zwerin notes that had they simply put it together as a series of chronological events, when it was over, audiences would wonder just what they'd seen. Structuring it this way, however, gives the film its dark focus. We know from the outset that we're going to bear witness to the calamity.

As commentary tracks go, this is one of the stronger ones I've heard. There aren't many lulls or ramblings. Some information is extraneous because I'd already heard about it elsewhere in the bonus content, and not every tidbit of insight is as intriguing as the rest, but on the whole I was kept engaged. It certainly added to my understanding and appreciation of the film, and that's the objective of every commentary track.

<B>1969 KSAN Radio Broadcast</B>
Four hours of radio time on KSAN were dedicated to covering the concert, originally conceived as a tie-in to the good times. When things went south, however, the call-ins became a treasure trove of primary source recordings from firsthand witnesses and key figures from critic John Burkes to photographer Jim Marshall, and two members of the Hell's Angels. Particularly fascinating is the call from Sonny Barger, a member of the Oakland Hell's Angels, a firsthand witness and participant in some of the day's escalating skirmishes. That call is not found on the Blu-ray Disc release of the film. This is easily among the compelling bonus features in the entire Criterion library.

<B>Outtakes</B> (22:02)
The highlight here is a shot of Mick Jagger caught up in the energy during a recording/mixing session of "Little Queenie," absentmindedly dancing along to the music.

<B>Images from Altamont</B>
I'm not a big fan of stills galleries on DVDs, and I confess that while Bill Owens and Beth Sunflower snapped some great photos, I still found myself unable to really connect with their work on my TV screen the way I could in a book.

<B>Maysles Films Trailers</B>
The original trailers for <I>Gimme Shelter</I> didn't do much for me, though the re-release trailer was a bit more attention-getting. <I>Salesman</I>, however, really piqued my curiosity and I've added it to my ever-growing To See list. <I>Grey Gardens</I> seems...weird.

<B>Filmographies</B>
Another DVD feature I never really cared for: text pages of filmographies. Not much to say about these lists of the works of both the Maysles brothers and Charlotte Zwerin. Today, I'd just hit IMDb.

<B>Restoration Demonstration</B>
It isn't particularly technical, but this brief demo does a great job showcasing the before & after work of film restoration. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't make a DVD today because we've seen similar contrasts in commercials for DVD releases and theatrical re-issues often enough that Joe Sixpack gets it now: the original masters have faded and the new prints look gorgeous. Still, it's a truly impressive demo to behold and well worth the few minutes.

<B>"The Rolling Stones, Altamont and GIMME SHELTER"</B>
The DVD I checked out from the Oldham County Public Library is missing the 44 page booklet, but fortunately The Criterion Collection website archives the essays. Like the film and other bonus content, it runs the gamut from firsthand witness testimonials to retrospective criticism of the events and the film itself. One of my favorite passages is from Stanley Booth's essay, <a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/104-gimme-shelter-the-true-adventures-of-altamont>"Gimme Shelter: The True Adventures of Altamont"</a> -

<I>The violence at Altamont, being completely unexpected, came afterward to seem inevitable. The assassinations of the sixties had aged us—we who were, as the seventies dawned, still under thirty—but they had been random, isolated events that didn’t involve the rock-and-roll generation. Altamont was nothing we could shrug off, and somehow we all lacked the will to rise above it.</I>

The other essays are well worth reading, but I think Booth's was the strongest. I was also quite partial to Georgia Bergman's < ahref=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/105-gimme-shelter-snapshots-from-the-road>"<I>Gimme Shelter</I>: Snapshots from the Road"</a>.

<B><I>Gimme Shelter</I> entered my Flickchart at #251/1414</B>


Gimme Shelter
-X- 1970s (1970)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Themes (Documentaries, Great Performances, Great Soundtracks)
-X- Spine Range #51-100 (#99)
-X- Audio Commentary (with directors Albert Maysles and Charlotte Zwerin, and collaborator Stanley Goldstein)
-X- Read an essay: "Gimme Shelter: The Decade That Spawned Altamont" by Michael Lydon, "Gimme Shelter: Rock-and-Roll Zapruder" by Amy Taupin, "Gimme Shelter: The True Adventures of Altamont" by Stanley Booth, "The 'Demonic Charisma' of Gimme Shelter" by Godfrey Cheshire, "Gimme Shelter: Snapshots from the Road" by Georgia Bergman, "Gimme Shelter: From Let It Bleed" by Ralph "Sonny" Barger
-X- Watch a Criterion disc completely. Every part of it.

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 09-12-12 10:13 AM

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I watched Made In U.S.A. last night. It was one of those films that made no sense to me and then I have to go search the internet for what the plot was supposed to be. Then I saw it was a Godard film and realized why it made no sense. It wasn't until the last 30 minutes where things started making more sense but it's nothing I would ever want to watch again. If it wasn't for this challenge, it's something I normally wouldn't watch.

Yesterday afternoon, I finished Ride with the Devil. Good enough civil war film.

Now I'm working my way through Grey Gardens and Everlasting Moments.

Ash Ketchum 09-12-12 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 11380498)
The other one I watched was Godzilla, King of the Monsters, which is the Americanized version of the Japanese original. This is really not much more than a curiosity for me. I enjoy the Japanese version, but the American one, which inserts new footage with Raymond Burr as a reporter who is witness to the events of the original, understandably strips away most of the politics which makes the original so much more compelling than your average giant monster movie. Especially considering that while I appreciate the artistry and ingenuity of the original's "Godzilla" sequences, I never found them particualrly thrilling on a visceral level. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that this version made any sort of traction here in the US, but then again, I'm coming to it 50+ years after the fact. I will give the producers credit for keeping the score from the Japanese version as it's one of the major strengths of the film. I wish the countless other American studios who bought the rights to Asian films over the years had made the same choice (I'm looking at you, Weinsteins *shakes fist*).

I can't see myself revisiting this again any time soon other than to watch it with the commentary, but I applaud Criterion for including both versions (and for including commentaries on both). I wish more studios would follow this example (again, I'm looking at you, Weinsteins *shakes fist again*)

***random aside*** I found it odd that for the first 20 minutes or so of the film the Japanese dialogue is left untouched with only Raymond Burr's naration to clue us in on what's going on, but after that traditional dubbing takes over. For example the scientist played by Takashi Shimura speaks Japanese at the first hearing/press conference, but after that speaks almost exclusively in English, including at later hearings/press conferences. Not really important, but it was funny to me.

In the history of the reception of Asian genre films in the U.S., GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS is a milestone. For my generation, it was invariably the very first Japanese film we ever saw and the first piece of Asian pop culture we were exposed to. Most of us first saw it on TV. It premiered in late 1958. Something significant happened between the theatrical release and its TV premiere: Raymond Burr became a big star thanks to the success of his TV show, "Perry Mason." So here was a major star that we were all familiar with and there he was in Japan facing down a giant dinosaur. That was a big deal at the time.

And thanks to GODZILLA's success, the next Japanese monster film to be released in an English-dubbed version was RODAN, which didn't need any American stars at all. So for us kids at the time, RODAN, seen on TV the following year, was the first "true" Japanese film we saw, i.e. in an "unaltered" form, although it would be years before I realized it. This was at a time when, as kids, we still saw the Japanese as the enemy, thanks to the long shadow cast over us by World War II. So in some strange way these films helped cement the peace, some 13-14 years after the fact.

Giles 09-12-12 11:37 AM

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while Yojimbo might be the more critical praised films, I thought Sanjuro was the more memorable of the two - along with the 'oh my god, holy shit!' ending.

CardiffGiant 09-12-12 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11380162)
In my case, I'm open to watching anything in the Criterion Collection (though obviously, I'm more interested in some and less interested in others). Some Top 10 lists would have me re-watch something, though, and I generally prefer to concentrate on first time viewings these days.

Same here, I'd love to one day work my way through the entire collection (Salo goes last...).


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11380162)
Anyway, it was merely a consideration and not something I'm going to really campaign for inclusion. I've put it out there and I'm content to let it go at that.

I agree that we should just revisit it once things are rolling again next year. I certainly like the spirit of it. I think inclusion of Criterion website features is great because I find it to be such an informative and user-friendly website.


Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 11380170)
Last year I did the checklist a bit but this year I'm not even bothering with it. The main reason, which I ran into last year, was the director list. I'm focusing on first time viewing and didn't watch anything from those guy, mainly because I've already seen most of their stuff. Since they all carried over to this year, I just dropped doing the checklist altogether.

I'd be more interested if it was just watching 10 different directors or if it was like the option where some were grouped together and you just had to watch one in the group.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11380199)
That's why I proposed expanding that to watching movies featuring X number of the spotlighted People. That list presently stands at 49, including actors and directors.

I would modify that suggestion now that I think about it so as to not allow duplication. That is, you couldn't watch Belle de jour as I just did and count it for both Luis Buñuel AND Catherine Deneuve to get 2 checks out of the X People section with the one film.

Peepers, I'll echo what Travis said here. I think it's the weakest part of the list and his suggestion to make the change to "people" is a way to break you free from Godard forever. :D

Seriously, though, I don't remember whose idea it was (could have been mine), but I've noticed that it's a severely limiting and forces those that have burned through most of those films the "responsibility" to revisit them. I want it to be as open-ended as possible and encourage participation and exploration beyond the norm.

So, it's safe to say that it's gone next challenge.


Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11380856)
My wife asked me what I wanted for my birthday tomorrow. I've decided to ask her to spend the day with "the old me", the one who watched 280 films the month before he met her.

So I have one full day, possibly ~ 36 hours if we start tonight, to fully expose her to both Criterion, and "the old me". She is not a huge film fan, and also hates scary movies. I was going to use this as an opportunity to finally, and possibly lastly, watch horror films with her, doing 7 or so Criterion horror films.

I'm still leaning towards that, but perhaps I should throw in a non-horror gem or three. I know that none of you know her, but any suggestions on what to watch? Either the scariest Criterions or films of any genre that a complete non-film watcher would enjoy?

Happy Birthday, Trevor! What an awesome idea and I hope it's fun. I wish I had seen this earlier as I'm sure I could have thrown some suggestions out there. If you're still rolling with it, M seems to be universally appreciated and, while not "scary" it does have suspense. Diabolique would also go on that list.

Can't wait to hear about the titles that you watched.

Giles 09-12-12 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11380856)
My wife asked me what I wanted for my birthday tomorrow. I've decided to ask her to spend the day with "the old me", the one who watched 280 films the month before he met her.

So I have one full day, possibly ~ 36 hours if we start tonight, to fully expose her to both Criterion, and "the old me". She is not a huge film fan, and also hates scary movies. I was going to use this as an opportunity to finally, and possibly lastly, watch horror films with her, doing 7 or so Criterion horror films.

I'm still leaning towards that, but perhaps I should throw in a non-horror gem or three. I know that none of you know her, but any suggestions on what to watch? Either the scariest Criterions or films of any genre that a complete non-film watcher would enjoy?

huh? really? how is THAT working out?? (oh and happy birthday)

Undeadcow 09-13-12 12:48 AM

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The Killing is a well paced tense heist film but aspects were disappointing. SPOILER:
Spoiler:
The ending just seemed like a cynical mean spirited twist, I wonder if it wasn't suppose to be intentionally tongue in cheek by being so dark.


Speaking of Criterion horror Antichrist has some interesting techniques and I want to like it more than I do. Some of the plot feels forced but it seems well directed with good acting although the imagery is sometimes too over the top. I admire it's ambitiousness but it comes across in a torture porn kind of way.

Travis McClain 09-13-12 02:01 AM

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Three quick things:
  1. I noticed in the end credits of Gimme Shelter that one of the camera operators was George Lucas. Nothing was said about that in any of the bonus content (at least, not that I caught), but it was mentioned in one of the essays that it was the George Lucas. That makes two of my selections so far to be connected with him directly (the only bonus feature on The Hidden Fortress DVD is a video interview with him).
  2. I've been streaming Fishing with John intermittently. I hate fishing; my brother loves it. I'm getting him this DVD for Christmas. It's the closest I think we'll ever get to the two of us mutually enjoying fishing.
  3. If you have a Criterion.com profile, you can now create lists there. In addition to having my challenge lists here and on Letterboxd, I've also ported over my lists to My Criterion. The only downside is that presently, you can only add to your lists the films that have been released on DVD. I've elected to make note of non-DVD titles I've watched in my overview (where I've placed my Looking Back observations), with links to the reviews on Letterboxd. Here's this year's list, obviously still in progress.

Travis McClain 09-13-12 07:55 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
My latest, Kind Hearts and Coronets

Spoiler:
I checked out this DVD from the library when I picked out <I>Gimme Shelter</I>, solely on the fact that it featured the late Sir Alec Guinness. I didn't even read the synopsis on the back of the DVD package. I have read Guinness's autobiography and both of his published journals, but whatever discussion he may have made about this film in those pages failed to resonate with me. I came into this film knowing literally nothing about it. It was great fun watching him in the eight roles of the D'Ascoyne family. Some of the makeup was particularly effective; I had to look twice when I first saw him on screen as The Banker to be sure that was him.

I enjoy a nice black comedy, and that's precisely what <I>Kind Hearts and Coronets</I> is. I did briefly become concerned once we meet Edith D'Ascoyne that there would be some attempt to persuade us that the family isn't really bad, just misunderstood; that kind of thing. I was relieved (because I'm a terrible human being!) that no, the film does <I>not</I> attempt to sell us on any message of making peace.

For this year's challenge, I've already watched <I>Spoorloos</I> [<I>The Vanishing</I>] and earlier this summer I watched all of <I>Downton Abbey</I>, so it was fun to combine the serial killer with the British class system. I'm not an Anglophile per se, though I'm familiar enough with British social history that I can follow along with most stories set there.

I was fortunate that the library had this on DVD as it is presently out of print and not available to stream on HuluPlus.

<B>The DVD</B>
<B>American Ending</B>
The on-screen text introduction informs us that an extension was tacked onto the ending of <I>Kind Hearts and Coronets</I> because of film standards in America that insisted "crime cannot be shown to pay." When I saw the actual ending added, though, I could only roll my eyes. The original, proper ending ought to have been entirely sufficient. Only we Americans have to have everything spelled out for us. Morons.

<B>Original theatrical trailer</B>
Despite what many have come to believe, spoilers have been part of trailers longer than the last five years. It is with that knowledge in mind that I do not watch trailers on DVDs until after I've watched the film. There are some spoilers in this trailer, though at least they omitted pretty much everything about the deliciousness of the twisted relationship between Louis and Sibella and the machinations of their relationship.

<B>Photo Galleries</B>
Yawn. Nice photos, sure, but photo galleries are second only to filmography lists as the most boring bonus feature on a DVD.

<a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/414-kind-hearts-and-coronets-ealing-s-shadow-side><B>"Ealing's Shadow Pride"</B></a>
I did not find in Philip Kemp's essay anything particularly informative about <I>Kind Hearts and Coronets</I> that I hadn't already observed for myself, but what I <I>did</I> find was some interesting insight into director Robert Hamer and the nature of Ealing Studios. I knew the name of Ealing, but nothing of its history or storytelling aesthetics. Also, I found it helpful to learn about the source material, Roy Horniman's novel, <I>Israel Bank</I> and why some of the changes were made in the course of adaptation.

<B>Disc Two: The Supplements</B>
The two bonus features are a feature-length documentary about Ealing Studios and a 70 minute radio program featuring Sir Alec Guinness. Given that these are tangential to the feature, I'm electing to skip them right now since I have to return the DVD to the library today.


Kind Hearts and Coronets
-X- 1940s (1949)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Theme (Comedies)
-X- Spine Range #301-350 (#325)
-X- Read an Essay (Ealing's Shadow Side by Philip Kemp)

Ash Ketchum 09-13-12 09:38 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11382645)
The Killing is a well paced tense heist film but aspects were disappointing. SPOILER:
Spoiler:
The ending just seemed like a cynical mean spirited twist, I wonder if it wasn't suppose to be intentionally tongue in cheek by being so dark.

The ending was a takeoff on the ending of TREASURE OF SIERRA MADRE.

Also, THE KILLING would have violated the Production Code, which was still in effect in 1955, if any of the robbers had successfully escaped with any of the money.

Greg MacGuffin 09-13-12 11:41 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11382674)
Three quick things:
[LIST=1][*]I noticed in the end credits of Gimme Shelter that one of the camera operators was George Lucas. Nothing was said about that in any of the bonus content (at least, not that I caught), but it was mentioned in one of the essays that it was the George Lucas. That makes two of my selections so far to be connected with him directly (the only bonus feature on The Hidden Fortress DVD is a video interview with him).

Yep, that's the one and only. I remember hearing a story about how he broke a very expensive camera while working on the film. Don't know if it's true, but even if it isn't, still funny.

And yes, the ending of The Killing is absolutely perfect and very much in the noir tradition.

Trevor 09-13-12 11:47 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11380868)
^I'd suggest:


Originally Posted by shadokitty (Post 11380891)
Well, maybe classic horror like Godzilla King of the Monsters or Cat People?

Thanks for the suggestions! I was incredibly torn on what to watch with her, contemplating dozens and dozens of films. I ended up deciding to stick to horror films, as she'll watch non-horror films with me anytime. Didn't go to many super extreme films, but definitely made her regret her decision to agree to watch anything, and joke about how I must not love her anymore as she cringed all day.

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11382400)
Happy Birthday, Trevor! What an awesome idea and I hope it's fun. I wish I had seen this earlier as I'm sure I could have thrown some suggestions out there. If you're still rolling with it, M seems to be universally appreciated and, while not "scary" it does have suspense. Diabolique would also go on that list.

Can't wait to hear about the titles that you watched.

We started late Tuesday night with The Vanishing. I still haven't seen the American remake, but the Dutch/French original was one of the first Criterions I ever saw, and still a favorite. I thought it would be a fairly calm start to her pending ordeal, but the themes in it really affected her. She was upset and squeezing my hand all through it, but found it well made at least.

More on the other selections later, I've spent to much time on my iPad this morning and need to move on.

Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11382588)
huh? really? how is THAT working out?? (oh and happy birthday)

I never understood the "opposites attract" thing until meeting Jen. We have literally nothing in common, but it somehow works.

Thanks for the birthday wishes all, especially Travis, who easily wins my Facebook wall for the day with the following post.
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/a...A6B09066A1.jpg

BobO'Link 09-13-12 09:05 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11383090)
I never understood the "opposites attract" thing until meeting Jen. We have literally nothing in common, but it somehow works.

Yes, it can! You've pretty much described my wife and me. We have vastly differing tastes in just about everything (music, movies, TV, food, books, etc.) but have a wonderful marriage that's 34 years strong! It just seems to get better over time in spite of the differences. Best wishes on yours doing the same! :)

And that's a *great* card. You should post it in the Horror Challenge thread too.

Travis McClain 09-14-12 08:11 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Last night, I got to yet another of the Big Ones: The Third Man, checked out on Criterion DVD from my local library! My Letterboxd review:

Spoiler:
Another one of the Big Ones that's been on my radar for years, <I>The Third Man</I> also has the distinction of being on the short list of great films that actually lives up to its hype and reputation. I'm always a bit intimidated by films with this kind of reputation and prestige, because I worry when I'm not enamored with them that the fault lies with me rather than with the film.

Of course, the very first thing that struck me was Anton Karas's zither music! That was not at all the score I had anticipated for this film, and I absolutely loved it. So much so, in fact, that I've gone to Amazon and bought <a href=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ZBYX1G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005ZBYX1G&linkCode=as2&tag=libeegalf rat-20>"The Third Man Theme"</a> and am playing it as I write this review. No wonder Criterion included this in their <a href=http://www.criterion.com/explore/110-great-soundtracks>Great Soundtracks</a> themed section!

As a longtime Bond fan, what struck me most was how influential this film clearly was on <I>The Living Daylights</I>. I'd heard about the relationship between the two, of course, but it's not the same as actually seeing both films, is it? Even the setting of Vienna, and that Ferris wheel, were clearly selected for the purpose of evoking <I>The Third Man</I>...though Bond clearly had the better time in the Ferris wheel!

The downside to seeing and enjoying a film of <I>The Third Man</I>'s stature is that there's nothing left really to be said. If I had hated it, or even been bored by it, there would be an opening for me to focus on what didn't work for me. There's not much satisfaction to be found, however, in merely echoing decades of praise penned by critics more articulate and observant than me.

The Criterion DVD is chock full of bonus content, including two commentary tracks. Being that I only have one more day with it, I don't know that I'm going to even try to explore the supplements right now. We're halfway through the challenge as of tomorrow and I'd like to get to more films, particularly after having only just watched the entirety of the <I>Gimme Shelter</I> DVD.

<I>The Third Man</I> entered my Flickchart at #144/1416


The Third Man Qualifying Checks
-X- 1940s (1949)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Themes (Compare and Contrast, Great Soundtracks, Noir and Neonoir)
-X- Spine Range #051-100 (#64)
-X- Watch a film with commentary (Commentary 1 with filmmaker Steven Soderberg and screenwriter Tony Gilroy, Commentary 2 with film scholar Dana Polan)
-X- Read an essay ("The Third Man" by Michael Wilmington, "Behind The Third Man" by Charles Drazin, "The Third Man: Seeing Greene" by Philip Kerr, "The Third Man: The One and Only..." by Luc Sante)
-X- Watch a Criterion disc completely. Every part of it.
-X- Watch an entire Criterion Collector's Set/Eclipse Box Set (Essential Art House: 50 Years of Janus Films, 10 Years of Rialto Pictures)

Gobear 09-14-12 06:45 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
For the first time ever, I have finished the checklist for this challenge. My last check was Hunger, a fantastic film although unpleasant in many spots, and like many British films it needs subtitles for Americans. I disagree with making Bobby Sands a martyr to a principle without including that he was a murderous IRA thug. Steve McQueen followed this up with the equally awesome Shame. I look forward to his next films--he is a director to watch out for.

Travis McClain 09-14-12 09:32 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11385034)
For the first time ever, I have finished the checklist for this challenge. My last check was Hunger, a fantastic film although unpleasant in many spots, and like many British films it needs subtitles for Americans. I disagree with making Bobby Sands a martyr to a principle without including that he was a murderous IRA thug. Steve McQueen followqed this up with the equally awesome Shame. I look forward to his next films--he is a director to watch out for.

I watched Hunger in 2010. I felt it had too many things that weren't clearly connected with the overall narrative and that it dragged at times but I also couldn't look away - even when I desperately wanted to do just that. There's that 16 minute, single-take scene with the priest, though, and that nullifies just about any film-making criticism I might have.

The portrayal of Sands, of course, is another matter and I find myself in agreement with you that the film is pretty mum on what landed Sands to imprisonment in the first place. Still, though...16 minutes! A single take!

Giles 09-14-12 10:57 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11385169)
I watched Hunger in 2010. I felt it had too many things that weren't clearly connected with the overall narrative and that it dragged at times but I also couldn't look away - even when I desperately wanted to do just that. There's that 16 minute, single-take scene with the priest, though, and that nullifies just about any film-making criticism I might have.

The portrayal of Sands, of course, is another matter and I find myself in agreement with you that the film is pretty mum on what landed Sands to imprisonment in the first place. Still, though...16 minutes! A single take!

I must admit "Hunger" didn't impress me in the slightest nor did 'Shame' for that matter. As for the 16 minute single take shot, really that's no different than filming a stage actor - most Hollywood actor's who haven't done stage work couldn't do it - so it's really not rocket science for the best stage trained actors.

Travis McClain 09-14-12 11:45 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Giles (Post 11385247)
I must admit "Hunger" didn't impress me in the slightest nor did 'Shame' for that matter. As for the 16 minute single take shot, really that's no different than filming a stage actor - most Hollywood actor's who haven't done stage work couldn't do it - so it's really not rocket science for the best stage trained actors.

There's more to it than that, though. The theater audience is aware that they only have the one perspective throughout the performance: from their seat. The film audience, however, is accustomed to the camera perspective changing. Setting aside the technical entirely for the moment, there's no small amount of artistic risk to committing 16 minutes of a film to a sequence that never blinks. It becomes a staring contest with the viewer, in which we're deliberately made to feel very uncomfortable. It's effective because it's so unusual for the medium.

It's also worth noting that rarely is any 16 minute sequence of a stage play performed by just two actors remaining entirely stationary. Even in single-performer plays, at least the one performer gets to move around the stage. The theater audience is rarely asked to remain focused on one or two speakers who remain in one place for 16 minutes, and for good reason: it's taxing on the attention span. The performance in Hunger is intense enough that it never loses its power.

It's not, then, that it's necessarily an extraordinary human accomplishment; other actors do indeed perform in a single take on stage in front of a live audience every night. But there's a lot more to the scene in Hunger than I think you've considered or credit.


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