DVD Talk Forum

DVD Talk Forum (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/)
-   DVD Talk (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk-3/)
-   -   4th Annual Criterion Challenge (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/dvd-talk/603836-4th-annual-criterion-challenge.html)

CardiffGiant 09-03-12 02:13 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I plan on responding to some of the other posts later tonight, but I thought you all should know what I stumbled upon this afternoon...

Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now. It was a bit lower a little while ago, but this is the lowest range it has been in and much lower than B&N 50% off. I can't speak to the quality of the films (haven't seen them), but at this price, seems like a no-brainer for those interested.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 04:00 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 11369594)
This is Spinal Tap

I watched that for last year's challenge, and I was underwhelmed. It's not that I didn't "get it." I just wasn't particularly entertained by it. I had a "Yeah, so?" reaction.


Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11369818)
Well I got off to a slow start due to going up north with the family. When my wife got home today I told her that I watched The Blood of the Poet with my four year old Sophia. I asked her to tell Mommy her favorite part. "When the man was looking for the girl with the statued arms." was her response.

One of our fellow DVD Talkers (I apologize; I forget his user name!) often quotes his wife in his challenge review remarks. She has very specific taste and her English is somewhat broken, so there's often an unintentional comedy factor. You should pepper in as many of Sophia's reviews as you can. There's some potential here.

tellybox 09-03-12 08:47 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11369942)
I watched that for last year's challenge, and I was underwhelmed. It's not that I didn't "get it." I just wasn't particularly entertained by it. I had a "Yeah, so?" reaction.

This is Spinal Tap was my first film of the challenge and I had a similar feeling. I laughed at some parts, and glad to mark it off the wishlist, but I found it very underwhelming. I do regard Rob Reiner for his vision; the film really did feel like a rockumentary, and I was impressed at the amount of time that was obviously put into the film.

I streamed High Noon last night. Wow, what a picture! For a film that's only 85 minutes, a lot sure does happen. So many relationships and back-stories are at hand here. I was completely captivated with the performances, particularly with Katy Jurado. I'm not very familiar with her other work (One Eyed Jacks is the only title that I recognize) but I'd be interested in seeing her act in another role.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 09:44 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by tellybox (Post 11370239)
I streamed High Noon last night. Wow, what a picture! For a film that's only 85 minutes, a lot sure does happen. So many relationships and back-stories are at hand here. I was completely captivated with the performances, particularly with Katy Jurado. I'm not very familiar with her other work (One Eyed Jacks is the only title that I recognize) but I'd be interested in seeing her act in another role.

I was actually kind of underwhelmed by this one, too. I think in this case, it was because I'd heard so much about it and what it was about that I didn't really find any surprises. It was pretty much just an execution of exactly what I already knew. I was kind of distracted, though, by fixating on the physical resemblance between Gary Cooper and Bill O'Reilly and of course then I got to thinking of how High Noon was called "the most un-American movie ever made" by John Wayne and the irony of associating anything to do with it with O'Reilly.

xizor42 09-03-12 10:10 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.

LJG765 09-03-12 10:21 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I have to keep this short as my cat is demanding that I feed him-this includes batting my power cord and sitting on my feet while staring at me intently.

I just finished the Robin Hood bonus features and would recommend them to anyone. Especially the technicolor feature. Angela Langsbury narrates it and it is quite informative. I had known bits and pieces but for me, this puts it all together. Now I really want to watch some Ethyl Merman films--having to act and swim, that's talent!

Travis McClain 09-03-12 10:22 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11370332)
So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.

:lol: I love it!

A friend of mine visited me earlier this year and brought her 4-year old daughter. The kid walked over to my bookcase and selected a book that she wanted to explore. When asked why she picked it, she said, "It looks pretty." The book? The Sexual Life of Catherine M. by Catherine Millet.

Travis McClain 09-03-12 10:28 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11370347)
I have to keep this short as my cat is demanding that I feed him-this includes batting my power cord and sitting on my feet while staring at me intently.

I just finished the Robin Hood bonus features and would recommend them to anyone. Especially the technicolor feature. Angela Langsbury narrates it and it is quite informative. I had known bits and pieces but for me, this puts it all together. Now I really want to watch some Ethyl Merman films--having to act and swim, that's talent!

Oh, that Technicolor doc is terrific! Warner did a great job putting together that special edition DVD/Blu-ray release.

CardiffGiant 09-03-12 11:05 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 11368688)
You all talking about Robin Hood is making me want to find my HD-DVD of it (and player!).

I still have my HD-A2 hooked up and I fired it up a couple of months ago and I was getting all kinds of error codes (didn't care enough to look them up) and I ended up wiping the disc really hard with my shirt (there were no marks) and then it worked fine. I'm pretty sure that was Goodfellas.


Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11368778)
I found Certified Copy to be a really interesting movie but agree with an approximate 3/5 rating, it was not engaging enough (too emotionless) for the content. In part I wondered if the emotionless was intentional to suggest a clinic view of human emotion which is often in-authentic or fickle (suggested also by tone changes in the film). In part I wonder if the director just made an intentional vague conversation piece or if rewatching it would be rewarding. Mild Spoiler:
Spoiler:
My initial interpretation is that the message is relationships and emotions are so focused on the present that they come across as disconnected from the past in a way that is jarring on examination. Relationships are not authentic but a mirror of surroundings (i.e. wedding surroundings created a wedding interaction). We are always copying our human surroundings.

I like that about the "copying human surroundings." Do we play the part when we get fall in love, or get married, do our jobs, etc.? Definitely left me with some questions.


Originally Posted by Undeadcow (Post 11368836)
Black Orpheus is an amazing film from the vibrant street dancing to the cold bureaucratic depiction of hell, it's very atmospheric. It exceeded by expectations; great imagery with a classic story and an intense conclusion.

This is one of the most fun Criterion titles I own. There is so much energy. It's the anti-Certified Copy. Such a great film. It's one I can recommend with relative confidence for anyone who likes music.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11369457)
Also, I have a question. Bernard Hermann won an Academy Award for his score, though the film does not appear on Criterion's Academy Award list. Check it anyway?

I say, "yes." I think anything that has won that is involved with the film would count. Criterion might have just gone with more of the heavy hitter categories, although, I think I remember a few scores on there in the past...but, yeah, count it.


Originally Posted by xizor42 (Post 11370332)
So I've decided that since Sophia probably won't be watching many of the films with me, I'd at least let her have a go at picking out what I watch. Tonight's choice was Belle de Jour. I asked her why she chose that one. "Well, it looks like one I haven't seen." I suppose that is probably a good thing at this point.


Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11370349)
The kid walked over to my bookcase and selected a book that she wanted to explore. When asked why she picked it, she said, "It looks pretty." The book? The Sexual Life of Catherine M. by Catherine Millet.

These are classic conversations and I think it's good to get that sort of perspective on things that we are so passionate about...it also lends an awkwardness to some of the titles on our shelves.

I've had friends, well into adulthood, hold up my copy of The Dreamers and say, "what's this about?" and I usually respond with, "you probably won't like it" and then we can just move on.

Sondheim 09-03-12 11:45 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
So I just watched Kanal, which is essentially a 96 minute journey through hell. It's about a group of Polish Resistance fighters during the last days of the Warsaw Uprising. The net around them has been growing tighter over the last several weeks, and most of the men and women who are fighting know that they have essentially no chance of survival (and thanks to a bit of narration in the first minute or two of the film, we also don't feel much hope for them.)

The last hour or so of the film takes place in one of the most claustrophobic, hellish settings imaginable (in fact, one of the characters explicitly references Dante.)

It's one of the most hopeless and horrifying films I've ever seen.

Undeadcow 09-04-12 12:06 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Breaking into Three Colors Trilogy with Blue, the color imagery is nice although the film seems aimless at times but it is well filmed with good tone. The depth of conflict from the main character is great but I am not sure I entirely understand the theme of "finding liberty" in disconnecting from everything in your life through forced tragedy.

I am hoping to watch In The Realm of the Senses soon... you know... errr... if I can stay up after the wife goes to bed.

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11369835)
Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now...

Nice! Ordered one, thanks!

Undeadcow 09-04-12 02:43 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Earlier today I was at a local independent film theater and noticed they have a massive wall hanging poster in french for In the Realm of the Senses, (which is pretentious but...) I thought I'd give it a try. Despite the strong content (or perhaps aided by it) In The Realm of the Senses is a fascinating movie about obsession that at times feels overboard but that helps the dramatic sense of connectedness between the two main characters. Despite the explicit content it doesn't come off as sexy as much as it does in a serious expressive way; less arousing and more intellectually curious. IRoS is a gutsy film challenges viewers to break through their own taboos. It's not something that everyone should own but the mixed reviews are interesting; I enjoyed watching it. It's hard to imagine this same director made the much tamer Empire of Passion.

Travis McClain 09-04-12 10:50 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Just watched The 39 Steps, which I have on non-Criterion DVD. My review:

SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING E-MAILS
(They're mostly minor spoilers, though.)

Spoiler:

Last year, I picked up a 2-disc Hitchcock DVD set at Target for $2.00. The 39 Steps was one of the ten selections. I meant to watch it last year for the Criterion Challenge but for whatever reason, I didn't. I actually started after midnight with another of the set's features, Secret Agent, but I kept getting interrupted and distracted and gave up on it. Just as I was about to restart it from the beginning, I learned that it followed The 39 Steps in the middle of what some consider Hitchcock's "Spy Trilogy" (the third film is Sabotage). I decided to go to this film instead, and then come back to Secret Agent in its entirety later.

It's easy to see how this story helped establish the paradigm for the spy genre, particularly the sub-genre of ordinary people caught up in the extraordinary machinations and intrigue orchestrated by insidious characters lurking in the shadows...and standing in plain sight before the world as pillars of their communities.

Richard Hannay is the kind of character that nearly any of us can easily recognize as ourselves. He hasn't any special skill set, no training, no gadgets or even any real resources to speak of. He's driven not even out of curiosity, but rather out of desperation. Richard is the victim of Occam's razor; it's far easier for other characters to believe the superficial story (that he murdered the woman he knows as Annabella Smith) than it is for them to believe the truth (that he's caught up in a matter of life-and-death, national security plot). We've all had our day wrecked by someone else's shenanigans at times, and we've all had trouble convincing someone that the way things seem is not how they really are. Richard is one of us.

Hitchcock himself said of the film that what he liked best "are the swift transitions" (quoted by Michael Wilmington in his 1985 essay), and I have to agree. More than once, I found that just as I was getting comfortable and thought I could take for granted where the film was headed, something abrupt would occur and instead of getting ahead of the film, I was now trying to catch up to what had just taken place. Perhaps the most jarring transition is when Richard is in the office of the Scottish sheriff, who professes to believe his story. It all seemed too easy, but by then I'd stopped trying to get ahead of the story. It's breathing, though, allowing me to begin wondering, "Where do we go from here, if Richard is finally square with the law?" And then, just as I've made the mistake of dabbling in speculation, bam! The sheriff brings in Professor Jordan's henchmen, masquerading as police, and I feel as jerked around as does Richard.

It's this kind of constant needling and juxtaposition that gives The 39 Steps not only its structure, but its appeal. Hitchcock knew that the audience ought to be just ahead of the story, and the protagonist just a bit behind. With this one, though, he kept me off-balance enough that I was able to get lost in the yarn myself. It's inadvisable for storytellers to try to create that effect, because it almost certainly guarantees that the story either become too cute or impenetrable; here, though, the master deftly navigates between just enough and too much.

One last note: the finale, in which Mister Memory is revealed to be the carrier of the secret information, triggered thoughts of The Lady Vanishes, where the secret is conveyed by melody. The Lady Vanishes novel was published a year after The 39 Steps film opened, so perhaps there was some measure of influence? I'm too tired to Google it to know for sure, but it seems plausible enough.


The 39 Steps
-X- 1930s (1935)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Theme (Suspense!)
-X- Spine Range 051-100 (#56)
-X- Essay: The 39 Steps by Michael Wilmington; The 39 Steps by Marian Keane; Thirty-Nine Steps to Happiness by David Cairns
--- Criterion Collectors Set/Eclipse Box Set (Essential Art House, Volume IV; Essential Art House: 50 Years of Janus Films; Wrong Men & Notorious Women: 5 Hitchcock Thrillers 1935-1946

Gobear 09-04-12 12:23 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11369835)
I plan on responding to some of the other posts later tonight, but I thought you all should know what I stumbled upon this afternoon...

Samuel Fuller Eclipse Set is $13.98 on Amazon right now

Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

Ash Ketchum 09-04-12 12:53 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11370899)
Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

That's less than I paid for it during the 50% off sale in July. :(

Gobear 09-04-12 01:56 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
I watched Valerie and Her Week of Wonders for the first time on Hulu, and I have to say that it's up there with Hausu in terms of visual splendor mixed with complete incomprehensibility. You have vampires, weasels, lesbians, and broad metaphors for sexuality, like shirtless, oiled muscular men running through the frame periodically. The cinematography is beautifully rendered, and I found the film fascinating, even though I didn't understand what the hell was going on at any given moment.

It would make a good choice for next month's horror challenge.

LJG765 09-04-12 05:04 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
There's been so much talk about Curious Case of Benjamin Button that I decided to finally watch it. I've had the DVD since just a couple months after the release as I got the Criterion on sale yet, just haven't wanted to watch it. Partly because it was such a popular film and I have a tendency to hate popular films and partly because it received such bad reviews plus it's almost 3 hours long-that's a fair amount of time to devote to a movie that you're not sure you'll enjoy. Yet, I've been drawn to it since it was an oddly compelling story. I read the short story it's based on but wasn't impressed. So, today, I finally popped it in.

I'm so glad I watched it. I really liked it. It hit in some emotional way with me. Perhaps because of the backwards aging-I felt for Benjamin when he was treated the age how he looked but it wasn't until his mid life that his brain/emotions matched his age.

I don't know how else to put it, but it defintiely touched me and I wasn't prepared for that.

Watching the very little features right now. I have a feeling that this will be a long featurette, but it seems like there is only one on it--not sure that really matches most Criterion's, but hopefully the quality is good.

CardiffGiant 09-04-12 07:17 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11370899)
Amazon must be having a sale on selected Criterions. Throne of Blood is only $11.18

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure what the logic of the random "sales" are, but I bit on the Fuller set and Throne of Blood as they both seem like no-brainers at that price.

gp1086 09-04-12 07:18 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 11371309)
There's been so much talk about Curious Case of Benjamin Button that I decided to finally watch it. I've had the DVD since just a couple months after the release as I got the Criterion on sale yet, just haven't wanted to watch it. Partly because it was such a popular film and I have a tendency to hate popular films and partly because it received such bad reviews plus it's almost 3 hours long-that's a fair amount of time to devote to a movie that you're not sure you'll enjoy. Yet, I've been drawn to it since it was an oddly compelling story. I read the short story it's based on but wasn't impressed. So, today, I finally popped it in.

I'm so glad I watched it. I really liked it. It hit in some emotional way with me. Perhaps because of the backwards aging-I felt for Benjamin when he was treated the age how he looked but it wasn't until his mid life that his brain/emotions matched his age.

I don't know how else to put it, but it defintiely touched me and I wasn't prepared for that.

Watching the very little features right now. I have a feeling that this will be a long featurette, but it seems like there is only one on it--not sure that really matches most Criterion's, but hopefully the quality is good.

Yep - I saw The Curious Case of Benjamin Button as part of the Oscars challenge and was surprised to like it quite a bit, as well.

Undeadcow 09-04-12 09:53 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Gobear (Post 11371062)
I watched Valerie and Her Week of Wonders for the first time on Hulu, and I have to say that it's up there with Hausu in terms of visual splendor mixed with complete incomprehensibility. You have vampires, weasels, lesbians, and broad metaphors for sexuality, like shirtless, oiled muscular men running through the frame periodically. The cinematography is beautifully rendered, and I found the film fascinating, even though I didn't understand what the hell was going on at any given moment.

It would make a good choice for next month's horror challenge.

Valerie and Her Week of Wonders is an ambitious film; is that coming soon with a Criterion release? It'd be interesting to see what extras they'd throw in. I agree with you about the mysterious but robust imagery. Although vague here are my thoughts on it from the 2010 horror challenge

Originally Posted by Undeadcow
Valerie and Her Week of Wonders (1970, 77 minutes) 5.5/10 : Interesting Czechoslovakian film about a girl coming to womanhood using vampires/witches as metaphors for lust and control. Surreal arthouse vibe with good imagery. I think this would benefit from multiple viewings.


Mondo Kane 09-04-12 11:03 PM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
God. Two 3½-hour movies in a row for me. That brings an end to my random picking!

Travis McClain 09-05-12 02:45 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 
Just finished watching Secret Agent. My review, as published on Letterboxd, which doesn't really contain any actual spoilers:

Spoiler:

I selected this one because it was part of The Criterion Collection on LaserDisc (spine #023) and because it was one of the ten features included in a 2-disc Hitchcock set that I bought at Target last year for $2.00. I originally started it late last night, but I kept getting distracted and interrupted and decided to start over from the beginning again tonight.

Unfortunately, I think I may as well have just let it play out last night. In an <a href=http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/815-the-secret-agent>essay</a> penned for Criterion's LaserDisc release, Mark Fleischmann concludes, "[Hitchcock] never rated the film highly - yet it is impossible to watch it and remain unmoved." I have to disagree with Mr. Fleischmann on this. I remain unmoved.

The story, pitting a trio of British assassins against an unidentified German target during World War I, has its moments but by and large I just couldn't get into this one. I don't know if it's that the pace was too brisk, the tone inconsistent or just that it was often hard for me to follow what was being said because of the combination of accent, speed of delivery and audio quality issues; but whatever the reason, I just found <I>Secret Agent</I> inaccessible.

I did enjoy the performances, though. Madeleine Carroll was quite easy to like as Elsa, Robert Young was genuinely charming as the duplicitous Robert Marvin, and I can only describe what Peter Lorre did as The General as "zany." It's Lorre that made the film half as interesting as it was. If the rest of the film had been a little different, it's possible we would discuss Lorre's work here as one of the all-time great camp performances. Instead, it's more or less relegated to the footnotes of his career.

Secret Agent
-X- 1930s (1936)
-X- Language (English)
-X- Watch a film not released on DVD by Criterion (LaserDisc #023)
-X- Read an essay - The Secret Agent by Mark Fleischmann

Tommy Bunz 09-05-12 07:30 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by Sondheim (Post 11370443)
So I just watched Kanal, which is essentially a 96 minute journey through hell. It's about a group of Polish Resistance fighters during the last days of the Warsaw Uprising. The net around them has been growing tighter over the last several weeks, and most of the men and women who are fighting know that they have essentially no chance of survival (and thanks to a bit of narration in the first minute or two of the film, we also don't feel much hope for them.)

The last hour or so of the film takes place in one of the most claustrophobic, hellish settings imaginable (in fact, one of the characters explicitly references Dante.)

It's one of the most hopeless and horrifying films I've ever seen.

If you enjoyed this you should check out the Russian WWII movies Come And See and Stalingrad. Both really great and really really grim.

CardiffGiant 09-05-12 08:43 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 11370299)
I was actually kind of underwhelmed by this one, too. I think in this case, it was because I'd heard so much about it and what it was about that I didn't really find any surprises. It was pretty much just an execution of exactly what I already knew. I was kind of distracted, though, by fixating on the physical resemblance between Gary Cooper and Bill O'Reilly and of course then I got to thinking of how High Noon was called "the most un-American movie ever made" by John Wayne and the irony of associating anything to do with it with O'Reilly.

I don't know how this part of the conversation slipped past me, but I wanted to add that my first viewing (in college) of High Noon left me a bit underwhelmed as well. When I watched it again (I think two years ago), it hit me much harder than on my first viewing. Like all films, it didn't change in that time, but I guess I did.

Thanks for mentioning that Bill O'Reilly looks like Gary Cooper. Now I'll be distracted in every future Cooper film I watch. :)

Travis McClain 09-05-12 09:37 AM

Re: 4th Annual Criterion Challenge
 

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant (Post 11371856)
I don't know how this part of the conversation slipped past me, but I wanted to add that my first viewing (in college) of High Noon left me a bit underwhelmed as well. When I watched it again (I think two years ago), it hit me much harder than on my first viewing. Like all films, it didn't change in that time, but I guess I did.

One thing I've discovered with The Criterion Collection in general is that these are very often films that need time to germinate. Even instant favorites (for me, nearly all of the Ingmar Bergman films I've seen so far) have revealed new things to me at random times long after the viewing.

In fact, this is something I would have thought to articulate had we proceeded with the proposal to nominate a specific film we feel ought to be added to The Criterion Collection. For me, the most glaring example of a non-Criterion film that fits that is Dogtooth. I initially dismissed it ("with prejudice," to borrow a legal term) but found after it set with me for a while, I began to consider new things about it and I came to appreciate it.


Thanks for mentioning that Bill O'Reilly looks like Gary Cooper. Now I'll be distracted in every future Cooper film I watch. :)
It's even weirder if you watch some of his earlier work. I streamed The Cowboy and the Lady last year and it was even more distracting then than it was when I saw High Noon!

I ran some errands this morning and popped into the library. They have several Criterion Collection DVDs, though most of them are from the lower spine numbers. I picked out The Vanishing and Bicycle Thieves. The latter included its booklet of essays and both will be first time viewings for me. I intend to devour the bonus content on both (which is laughable, since the only bonus feature on The Vanishing is its trailer).


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:00 PM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.