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OldBoy 06-08-11 11:52 AM

What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Perhaps discussed, but just curious as to what some reasons are. Monetary, just don't feel necessary or worth it, etc...

starseed1981 06-08-11 12:57 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
For me, I think it's pretty evident that streaming and cloud services will become the standard in the very near future. I've essentially lost most of my interest in owning physical media, HD or not.

Pizza 06-08-11 01:06 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by starseed1981 (Post 10808980)
For me, I think it's pretty evident that streaming and cloud services will become the standard in the very near future. I've essentially lost most of my interest in owning physical media, HD or not.

The music and entertainment companies won't be happy until we continuously pay for access to content. Just building a library or upgrading a favorite film isn't enough anymore, you need to get plugged into a cloud.

I still like physical content, but I'm an old fart.

I can understand not switching to Blu. If you're happy with a format, why switch? And, most folks still don't have a player, so it's a pain if you want to share a movie with someone.

I currently buy more Blu than DVD, but I'm thinking of slowing down and getting more DVDs. I personally love the releases that include both in the same package.

EdTheRipper 06-08-11 02:04 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I don't have an HD TV, so at this point, I really don't feel that going Blu is necessary for me.

mdnitoil 06-08-11 02:11 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Frankly, I just can't be bothered. I already have DVD players all over the house and they're good enough for our eyes. Additionally, I pretty much just buy catalog titles, not much new stuff. As a result, every single Blu that I might be interested in is a double dip. If I want any actual new-to-disc material, that's all coming out on DVD.

Spottedfeather 06-08-11 02:19 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Just because you don't have an HDtv doesn't mean you shouldn't get blu-ray. Even on a standard def tv, you can tell the difference. Maybe not as much as on an HD screen, but you can still tell.

smurr05 06-08-11 03:50 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Too large a collection and I'm more than pleased how my SD DVD's look on my plasma TV. I see absolutely no reason to convert to Blu-

coyoteblue 06-08-11 04:00 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Going Blu means giving up "ownership" of your player and Blu media to an outside source that's capable and probably willing to brick your player or turn your disc (on that player at least) into a coaster. You're playing Russian roulette with your player every time it downloads a firmware update or disc keys or whatever. Just because they haven't screwed you yet, doesn't mean they won't in the future. Remember you're not a customer, you're a revenue stream (and if you're not you should be).

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 06-08-11 04:00 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by starseed1981 (Post 10808980)
For me, I think it's pretty evident that streaming and cloud services will become the standard in the very near future.

How well will that work out considering ISPs are putting caps on internet usage or for those poor suckers living in Australia, with the insanely low caps that are in the MBs and not in the GBs?

Ash Ketchum 06-08-11 04:01 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 10809136)
Just because you don't have an HDtv doesn't mean you shouldn't get blu-ray. Even on a standard def tv, you can tell the difference. Maybe not as much as on an HD screen, but you can still tell.

Not everything needs to be seen that clearly.

milo bloom 06-08-11 04:10 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Well, after a dozen years of collecting DVDs, and many of them still unwatched (we've even started unloading unwatched stuff just to get rid of it), we're not in a rush to get into another game of keeping up with the Joneses. There's a lot of stuff we watch that will never be good enough to show on Blu, and even on a 46" screen, most DVDs still look really good.

mike07 06-08-11 05:45 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I still watch VHS tapes so DVD is a huge improvement to me. I don't need fancy "Blue" players and "Blue" discs to be entertained.

Boondock Saint 06-08-11 05:56 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
No rush, pretty much. Just got an HDTV a month ago, I'll get Blu when I get around to it.

Indy24LA 06-08-11 06:42 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I got a PS3 two years ago and I only get either movies that would pop in HD (like Star Trek, Harry Potter, etc.) or ones that come out about the same price as their DVD counterparts (like The Social Network). I'm fine with getting stuff like Happy Gilmore or 12 Angry Men on DVD.

Ish Kabbible 06-08-11 06:57 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Without a HDTV above 32", it's not worth the extra bucks

kd5 06-08-11 09:09 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
My entire collection is DVD, I'm not changing because DVD is good enough for my wife and I. When the DVD player dies, I may buy Blu-Ray, but since my TV doesn't have HDMI, it probably won't do me any good. If the TV ever dies (perish the thought), then problem solved. But I still won't convert my DVD collection to Blu-Ray because there's no way in hell I'm spending that much money to convert yet again, only to find the next new technology has made Blu-Ray obsolete. -kd5-

The Man with the Golden Doujinshi 06-08-11 10:14 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Ish Kabbible (Post 10809504)
Without a HDTV above 32", it's not worth the extra bucks

My bedroom TV is a 30" SD set and there's still a big difference.

JerryKILL 06-08-11 10:33 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
DVD is good enough, the studios dug their own grave with the DVD cash-cow, no way am I going to give them more money for an "upgrade".

Spottedfeather 06-08-11 10:38 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
My tv is 27 inches and a regular square tv. Blu-ray does look better, though maybe not as good as an HDtv. It's run through component cables and even with that, blu does looks better. And you don't have to re-buy your entire collection. Most of what you have probably will never come to blu-ray. And at most places, blu-ray isn't that much more than the dvds. Most times only a few dollars more. And a lot of blu-ray are now coming with a dvd copy of the movie. Like Disney, for example. The whole "blu-ray is so much more expensive than dvd" thing is quickly becoming moot. Blu-ray is getting it's own 5 dollar bins. The last few movies I've bought or have been given were never more than 7 dollars.

orangerunner 06-08-11 11:52 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I bought a Blu-ray player last Xmas for $80 and I have about 7 Blu-ray discs all of which I paid about $5 each for.

Yeah, it looks great even on my 36" CRT 1080i Sony Wega but I can't see myself upgrading too many DVDs. The catalogue titles that might actually be worth upgrading all seem to be $20+ on Blu. New releases generally run $25+ and there's really nothing I would spend that kind of money to own.

Even when you upgrade you usually have to hang onto your old DVD if you want the extras that weren't carried over to Blu.

I'm kind of in no-man's-land where I don't really want to spend any more money on DVDs and yet I'm not really compelled to go gung-ho on Blu-ray either.

I recently bought a used A2 HDDVD player and 90 movies. My grand total cost has been about $180 all inclusive.

Spottedfeather 06-09-11 12:30 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I have been buying blu-rays for about 3 years now but I only have 50 (two of those are multi-movie sets Back to the Future and the Batman movies.) I only re-buy the blu-rays of my absolute favourite movies like the classic Disney animation, Back To The Future (I've bought that 3 times. The original trilogy set, the special edition of the first one that has the Ride footage, and the blu-ray set), and other childhood movies. For me to upgrade, it has to have, at least the same extras as the dvds, if not more. If it's just the movie and no extras, then I'd have to think really hard about how much I love the movie.

rw2516 06-09-11 05:31 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
The various MOD programs(which is the stuff I really, really want) have enough titles available to keep broke for a few years

kintnerboy 06-09-11 05:33 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
There's not enough of a difference between dvd and Blu Ray to justify the expense and inconvienience (and if you're going to say "Your tv's not set-up right" I'm going to call BS...... If I need a degree in electronics to even notice a small difference in the image then it's not worth it).

And if you're THAT obsessed with seeing movies in the best possible format, why not cut to the chase and start collecting 35mm prints? You'll save yourself a lot of upgrades.

Mr. Salty 06-09-11 08:06 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by kd5 (Post 10809660)
since my TV doesn't have HDMI, it probably won't do me any good.

Well, that's wrong. If you have an HDTV it will at least have component inputs, which are full HD. HDMI isn't necessary.


Originally Posted by kintnerboy (Post 10810004)
And if you're THAT obsessed with seeing movies in the best possible format, why not cut to the chase and start collecting 35mm prints? You'll save yourself a lot of upgrades.

Hyperbole, thy name is kintnerboy.

As far as "expense and inconvenience" is concerned, that might have been the case a couple of years ago, but not now. Players are under $100 and disc prices are often comparable to DVD. I just paid $18 for "True Grit," which got me the DVD and Blu-ray both. That's par for the course with new releases.

Trevor 06-09-11 09:32 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I mainly started buying Blus when they were cheaper than DVDs. I still buy both, about 50/50.

Michael Corvin 06-09-11 09:51 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I can't believe this hasn't discussed this before.

Imprint 06-09-11 10:00 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Like what has already been said dozens of times in the other threads like this, it is not an either/or situation. DVDs work in blu-ray players. I have a large DVD collection as well as a large BD collection. More options buying both.

kd5 06-09-11 10:12 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10810205)
I can't believe this hasn't discussed this before.

:hscratch:









:nopanic: -kd5-

FantasticVSDoom 06-09-11 11:25 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I made the switch to Blu many a moons ago (actually went Red first) but would probably not do it again and this is the last format I buy into. Im not a revenue stream anymore and only buy used now and the occasional new if its something I really want. Hell Ive even given up cable for the first time and besides the convienece of it, dont miss it at all. These are words that 5-7 years ago would never have been uttered by me.

bboisvert 06-09-11 04:59 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by coyoteblue (Post 10809302)
Going Blu means giving up "ownership" of your player and Blu media to an outside source that's capable and probably willing to brick your player or turn your disc (on that player at least) into a coaster. You're playing Russian roulette with your player every time it downloads a firmware update or disc keys or whatever. Just because they haven't screwed you yet, doesn't mean they won't in the future. Remember you're not a customer, you're a revenue stream (and if you're not you should be).

I've got 3 BD players, none of which are connected to an "outside source".

They have no way to "screw me", even if I thought such a paranoid possibility was likely.

mdnitoil 06-09-11 05:05 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by bboisvert (Post 10810916)
I've got 3 BD players, none of which are connected to an "outside source".

They have no way to "screw me", even if I thought such a paranoid possibility was likely.

How do you do the firmware upgrades in order to allow certain discs to play? It's a serious question as I don't have a BR player.

bboisvert 06-09-11 05:08 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by mdnitoil (Post 10810923)
How do you do the firmware upgrades in order to allow certain discs to play? It's a serious question as I don't have a BR player.

I rarely do firmware updates, but in the cases when I've needed to, I can download the update onto CD-Rom and just install it manually. There's always multi-page threads online with people confirming that the update works and won't "brick" a player.


But, again, I can't remember the last time I updated firmware on any of my machines.

wm lopez 06-09-11 05:57 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I like old movies and all the movies that came out from 2000 seem to have this green,teal and yellow tint. So I'm not paying for that.
Also the old movies although they may look better don't have the feel of film like when I saw them at the theater. I'll stick with dvd with the price being just right.

orangerunner 06-09-11 11:34 PM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Originally Posted by kd5
since my TV doesn't have HDMI, it probably won't do me any good.


Originally Posted by Mr. Salty (Post 10810085)
Well, that's wrong. If you have an HDTV it will at least have component inputs, which are full HD. HDMI isn't necessary.

I think 1080p is only achievable through the HDMI inputs. 1080i/720p are the highest through component. I heard it has to do with the copy protection on Blu discs that won't allow a component connection to deliver 1080p.

Either way, the quality of Blu-ray is certainly noticable through the component cables.

thetao 06-10-11 12:09 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
It's partly financial for me, and partly having the time to research a good player. If I could get a really nice (i.e. Oppo-like) player for around $250 that is also region-free, I would go for it. But I don't believe this is possible, nor do I own an HDTV. I will likely buy the TV first.

kintnerboy 06-10-11 05:24 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Mr. Salty (Post 10810085)
I just paid $18 for "True Grit," which got me the DVD and Blu-ray both. That's par for the course with new releases.

OR, if you would like to actually be honest, that's par for the course for the biggest new release dvds of the week.


Try buying something more obscure, and you'll find a tremendous price difference:

http://www.amazon.com/Women-Cages-Co...7701327&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Collection-Cor...7701327&sr=1-2

Nice try, though.

kd5 06-10-11 08:06 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Mr. Salty (Post 10810085)
Well, that's wrong. If you have an HDTV it will at least have component inputs, which are full HD. HDMI isn't necessary.

I should've added that my TV is only capable of 1080i and no component cables (no matter what they're made of) will squeeze 1080p out of 1080i. -kd5-

meshershark 06-10-11 09:36 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
I initially swore off Blu-ray because of a Sony grudge for things like the rootkit fiasco. At the time I was considering dipping into HD, before it lost the format war.

With over 1000 in my collection, rebuying is not attractive. I still enjoy regular DVD on my non-HD widescreen. When I move up to a 1080p I figure I'll see a quality bump from upconverting. I don't want to have a handful of titles that look so much better that the rest of my collection dims in comparison.

My hope is to wait out the Blu phase and skip from DVD to whatever the next phase is, maybe a non-physical-media streaming infrastructure. I do like owning a physical disc, being able to scan through my shelves of titles, pull one out and read the back cover or check the episode listing. But if I can pull up a collection online and have as much control over what I watch and when, I don't think I'd miss my discs so much. I certainly won't miss continually running out of shelf space.

madcougar 06-10-11 09:59 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 
Up until a few months ago, my reason was the cost. I didn't have a player and the movies seemed to overpriced. I bought a PS3 however and after renting a blu ray disc I can tell you that there's a BIG difference between DVD and BR. I won't go out and replace my more than 800 DVDs anytime soon, but I have begun to get the itch to replace my very favorites.

madcougar 06-10-11 10:00 AM

Re: What's the reason for not switching to Blu?
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10810205)
I can't believe this hasn't discussed this before.

You have something better to do?


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