terminator salvation 12/1
09-09-09 | 06:57 PM
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this was a random number I came up with. I figure a nice blu ray player will be around $200, and there are at least 20 titles i'm interested in picking up, not exact, but it simply isn't buy the player and be done with it. Most of the titles I want, I already own on DVD, i'd just be "upgrading".
I'm really tired of having this discussion in the DVDtalk forum though. I know the advantages of blu-ray, I want blu-ray, but I can't afford to upgrade right now. Plain and simple. If I want to bitch about a studio releasing an inferior DVD, on a DVD forum, like I have been doing for 8 years, well then i'm going to do it.
I'm really tired of having this discussion in the DVDtalk forum though. I know the advantages of blu-ray, I want blu-ray, but I can't afford to upgrade right now. Plain and simple. If I want to bitch about a studio releasing an inferior DVD, on a DVD forum, like I have been doing for 8 years, well then i'm going to do it.
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09-09-09 | 06:58 PM
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yeah and what other titles are those?
ALL other studios? what other studios are doing that?
my examples from before like star trek, transformers are all getting 2disc
treatment for those still interested! only warner is screwing their customers big time. then again they have a history of being completely ignorant and not even answering customer emails, ever.
and please don`t put down other users by telling them how business works!
business mostly works if the customer service is right and not by companies
completely ignoring customer demands and pushing their own agenda.
all those bluray growth numbers being dropped are great, but the mass turnover is still generated by dvds. also, 2disc editions sell for 22,99 so i don`t think thats much cheaper than bluray. with smaller numbers, the bluray production overhead costs are probably much higher, so i doubt that pushing bluray down our throats makes them so much more profit.
if they released a nice 2disc edition with the directors cut and a slipsleeve, thats something i would
spend 22,99 on release day. for a shit barebones edition, which they feel is sufficient for the
dumb stone age dvd buyers, i will spend 5 dollars when its in some trash bin.
so even if i am the only one doing this, warner has already lost 17,99 dollars, rather than to increase
their profits through great bluray marketing strategies
and i think we are currently seing enough examples of where dumb corporate greed leads during this economy....
blurays main selling argument should be the full hd resolution for the people who want it. if they can only sell it by such forcefull measures, than the format is as doomed as toshibas hd format
well, doomed probably not, but pretty sad that the only selling argument
is some extra features, rather than the superb quality
we are not having a debate bluray over dvd, it is just a debate that warner
is using bull shit measures. for the friday the 13th remake they were able
to put the extended killer cut out on dvd. would it hurt them so much to do the same here?
how many friday 13th dvds do you think they sold compared to the bluray
numbers? i think if warner execs so that, they would reconsider their policies.
do you think that the upset customers will now switch to bluray, because they want the directors cut of a mediocre terminator movie!?
if i switch it will be when prices drop, disc loading times decrease, etc., but
definitely not because warner thinks i should
i think this move will backfire on them, because it will piss more people
off, rather than fascinating them for the new format.
ALL other studios? what other studios are doing that?
my examples from before like star trek, transformers are all getting 2disc
treatment for those still interested! only warner is screwing their customers big time. then again they have a history of being completely ignorant and not even answering customer emails, ever.
and please don`t put down other users by telling them how business works!
business mostly works if the customer service is right and not by companies
completely ignoring customer demands and pushing their own agenda.
all those bluray growth numbers being dropped are great, but the mass turnover is still generated by dvds. also, 2disc editions sell for 22,99 so i don`t think thats much cheaper than bluray. with smaller numbers, the bluray production overhead costs are probably much higher, so i doubt that pushing bluray down our throats makes them so much more profit.
if they released a nice 2disc edition with the directors cut and a slipsleeve, thats something i would
spend 22,99 on release day. for a shit barebones edition, which they feel is sufficient for the
dumb stone age dvd buyers, i will spend 5 dollars when its in some trash bin.
so even if i am the only one doing this, warner has already lost 17,99 dollars, rather than to increase
their profits through great bluray marketing strategies
and i think we are currently seing enough examples of where dumb corporate greed leads during this economy....
blurays main selling argument should be the full hd resolution for the people who want it. if they can only sell it by such forcefull measures, than the format is as doomed as toshibas hd format
well, doomed probably not, but pretty sad that the only selling argument
is some extra features, rather than the superb quality
we are not having a debate bluray over dvd, it is just a debate that warner
is using bull shit measures. for the friday the 13th remake they were able
to put the extended killer cut out on dvd. would it hurt them so much to do the same here?
how many friday 13th dvds do you think they sold compared to the bluray
numbers? i think if warner execs so that, they would reconsider their policies.
do you think that the upset customers will now switch to bluray, because they want the directors cut of a mediocre terminator movie!?
if i switch it will be when prices drop, disc loading times decrease, etc., but
definitely not because warner thinks i should
i think this move will backfire on them, because it will piss more people
off, rather than fascinating them for the new format.
ALL studios are making it a point to pump up the Blu-ray with features. Warner has done it with many titles (to an extreme) while other studios are moving content over to the Blu-ray to make it seem more 'packed'. That includes Sony, Disney, Universal, Paramount, Lionsgate etc. Get use to it if you refuse to buy a BD player.
09-09-09 | 07:00 PM
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Because I still *gasp* buy DVDs. But its tough to ignore threads like these for the same handful of people who go off in extreme rants about how studios are screwing them bla bla bla. I'm guilty of slowing down when I see an accident on the side of the road as well.
09-09-09 | 07:01 PM
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"Bare bones DVD? I can't afford a BR player, as some mentioned. They are coming down in price, but not nearly enough for me to WANT one and pay almost $20 extra for a movie sometimes. Looks like I'll be pirating this one, thanks WB! "
then again, seing that the directors cut is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical, it won`t make much difference anyhow.
mcg stated that the dc would be 30-40 minutes longer.
then again, seing that the directors cut is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical, it won`t make much difference anyhow.
mcg stated that the dc would be 30-40 minutes longer.
And I think you have your information wrong on the last part. McG stated in a Collider interview that there was 30-40m of deleted scenes, but he never stated that all of them or even a majority of them would go back into the movie. He DID say they would be on the DVD.
09-09-09 | 07:02 PM
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Can't wait until Harry Potter specs hit. Mass suicides are expected for DVD owners. Shouldn't be too long until it gets detailed 
09-09-09 | 07:10 PM
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Looks like there will be THREE releases of this film:
The SD DVD WILL have the DC's cut (3 extra minutes):
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/the-end-...1/7008#related
The SD DVD WILL have the DC's cut (3 extra minutes):
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/the-end-...1/7008#related
09-09-09 | 07:10 PM
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Look, I'm happy for you guys who have made the Blu switch. I'll freely admit that I'm envious as hell of you guys, but still happy for you. If this was the dying days of DVD, I'd even be completely on your side in this argument. The fact is, though, that DVD is still a stronger format in terms of sales than Bluray and Warner is missing out on a large chunk of cash. I own that format and am voicing my displeasure with this business decision they made.
Also, for the record, I could care less about seeing Moon Bloodgood's goodies. I thought this movie was better than it was given credit for and I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes features. The fact that WB (or any other distributor for that matter), feels the need to tell me they don't want my filthy SD money IS a slap in the face. I'm not going on any boycott or any other silliness, but I won't be buying this release.
Also, for the record, I could care less about seeing Moon Bloodgood's goodies. I thought this movie was better than it was given credit for and I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes features. The fact that WB (or any other distributor for that matter), feels the need to tell me they don't want my filthy SD money IS a slap in the face. I'm not going on any boycott or any other silliness, but I won't be buying this release.
09-09-09 | 07:12 PM
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thats because you are behaving just as arrogant as warner
ok, since you opened your mouth so wide about future releases, which
have better bluray versions, i was actually hoping you would name some releases and dates
anyhow, i don`t think anyone minds the fact that bluray has more extras
and better content. perfectly acceptable!!
however, other summer blockbuster "dvd" examples:
wolverine 2disc version
star trek 2disc version
proposal deluxe edition
transformers revenge of the fallen 2disc
angels and demons 2disc including the extended cut
just some examples of studios, which put more and better extras on the bluray counterparts, but still manage to release decent editions for their
dvd clientelle!!
warner summer blockbuster example;
terminator salvation, barebones single disc dvd, no extras, no directors cut, no nothing!
point i am trying to make: bluray editions will be better and should be better, but bottom line, warner is just a shit studio, with shit dvd releases
ok, since you opened your mouth so wide about future releases, which
have better bluray versions, i was actually hoping you would name some releases and dates
anyhow, i don`t think anyone minds the fact that bluray has more extras
and better content. perfectly acceptable!!
however, other summer blockbuster "dvd" examples:
wolverine 2disc version
star trek 2disc version
proposal deluxe edition
transformers revenge of the fallen 2disc
angels and demons 2disc including the extended cut
just some examples of studios, which put more and better extras on the bluray counterparts, but still manage to release decent editions for their
dvd clientelle!!
warner summer blockbuster example;
terminator salvation, barebones single disc dvd, no extras, no directors cut, no nothing!
point i am trying to make: bluray editions will be better and should be better, but bottom line, warner is just a shit studio, with shit dvd releases
09-09-09 | 07:12 PM
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If people are so desperate for these bonus features, or to see some boobies aka "the director's cut" (which turns out is only 3 minutes longer than the theatrical version), why don't you just get a BD player? I'm not saying everyone can afford one in this economy, but you all do realize you can use them on a standard definition TV set, right? It is just like a Xbox 360 or PS3, how many of those across the country do you want to bet are not really being used to their full potential and are only hooked up to a SD TV, hmmm? Sure, you will not get the biggest benefit of BD (the HD visuals), but adequate players are now only like $100-150, not exactly an earth-shattering amount of cash....make the switch today, see all the special features you feel like you miss out on, and then in the future you will already have some discs to see in full HD resolution once you do buy that HDTV, which everyone will eventually get anyway, as very soon that will be all that are sold....
09-09-09 | 07:13 PM
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09-09-09 | 07:15 PM
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Look, I'm happy for you guys who have made the Blu switch. I'll freely admit that I'm envious as hell of you guys, but still happy for you. If this was the dying days of DVD, I'd even be completely on your side in this argument. The fact is, though, that DVD is still a stronger format in terms of sales than Bluray and Warner is missing out on a large chunk of cash. I own that format and am voicing my displeasure with this business decision they made.
Also, for the record, I could care less about seeing Moon Bloodgood's goodies. I thought this movie was better than it was given credit for and I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes features. The fact that WB (or any other distributor for that matter), feels the need to tell me they don't want my filthy SD money IS a slap in the face. I'm not going on any boycott or any other silliness, but I won't be buying this release.
Also, for the record, I could care less about seeing Moon Bloodgood's goodies. I thought this movie was better than it was given credit for and I'm really curious to see the behind the scenes features. The fact that WB (or any other distributor for that matter), feels the need to tell me they don't want my filthy SD money IS a slap in the face. I'm not going on any boycott or any other silliness, but I won't be buying this release.
this is not a good release policy.
09-09-09 | 07:20 PM
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thats because you are behaving just as arrogant as warner
ok, since you opened your mouth so wide about future releases, which
have better bluray versions, i was actually hoping you would name some releases and dates
anyhow, i don`t think anyone minds the fact that bluray has more extras
and better content. perfectly acceptable!!
however, other summer blockbuster "dvd" examples:
wolverine 2disc version
star trek 2disc version
proposal deluxe edition
transformers revenge of the fallen 2disc
angels and demons 2disc including the extended cut
just some examples of studios, which put more and better extras on the bluray counterparts, but still manage to release decent editions for their
dvd clientelle!!
warner summer blockbuster example;
terminator salvation, barebones single disc dvd, no extras, no directors cut, no nothing!
point i am trying to make: bluray editions will be better and should be better, but bottom line, warner is just a shit studio, with shit dvd releases
ok, since you opened your mouth so wide about future releases, which
have better bluray versions, i was actually hoping you would name some releases and dates
anyhow, i don`t think anyone minds the fact that bluray has more extras
and better content. perfectly acceptable!!
however, other summer blockbuster "dvd" examples:
wolverine 2disc version
star trek 2disc version
proposal deluxe edition
transformers revenge of the fallen 2disc
angels and demons 2disc including the extended cut
just some examples of studios, which put more and better extras on the bluray counterparts, but still manage to release decent editions for their
dvd clientelle!!
warner summer blockbuster example;
terminator salvation, barebones single disc dvd, no extras, no directors cut, no nothing!
point i am trying to make: bluray editions will be better and should be better, but bottom line, warner is just a shit studio, with shit dvd releases
And names and dates won't be revealed, sorry.
But just so you know, and I'd hate to spoil this for you, two other studios will be doing exactly what Warner is doing in late 09 early 10. They find success with it as rental outlets won't have the 'leg up' on them (or Redbox). It also deters used sales as Blockbuster drops prices really fast.
Can you guess which two studios?
09-09-09 | 07:21 PM
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A basic BD player is $100. Sell some of your 5000 DVDs and go buy one. I know the economy sucks right now, but damn, if you just went through all your movies that start with 'K' i'm sure you can sell enough to grab a BD player.
09-09-09 | 07:24 PM
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Looks like there will be THREE releases of this film:
The SD DVD WILL have the DC's cut (3 extra minutes):
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/the-end-...1/7008#related
The SD DVD WILL have the DC's cut (3 extra minutes):
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/the-end-...1/7008#related
although the bluray has also been listed as 2 and 3 disc version by different sites, so i guess we have to wait for final confirmation!
maybe warner wanted to test customer reaction that way
as some time remains until december, i haven`t lost complete hope that warner comes to their senses until then
like i mentioned before, they were able to do so with the friday the 13th
extended cut as well. i think from a financial standpoint they would lose
money if they just released the directors cut on dvd.
then again i am already much more relaxed
doubt three minutes will make a hell of a difference
when i first read the dvd announcement there was talk of a 135 minute dc, so 20 minutes would have probably changed more.
anyhow, thanks for the dvdtown link! keeping my fingers crossed, but pictures usually speak more than words
09-09-09 | 07:29 PM
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if you were a girl i would call that cock teasing
making me all interested and then not disclosing any info
can`t guess those studios. fox maybe?
i can`t guess the future of what will happen in 2010 either,
but so far i can only complain about warner. other studios
are still releasing good dvd versions and still making extra
money on 2disc versions.
making me all interested and then not disclosing any info
can`t guess those studios. fox maybe?
i can`t guess the future of what will happen in 2010 either,
but so far i can only complain about warner. other studios
are still releasing good dvd versions and still making extra
money on 2disc versions.
09-09-09 | 07:33 PM
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if you were a girl i would call that cock teasing
making me all interested and then not disclosing any info
can`t guess those studios. fox maybe?
i can`t guess the future of what will happen in 2010 either,
but so far i can only complain about warner. other studios
are still releasing good dvd versions and still making extra
money on 2disc versions.
making me all interested and then not disclosing any info
can`t guess those studios. fox maybe?
i can`t guess the future of what will happen in 2010 either,
but so far i can only complain about warner. other studios
are still releasing good dvd versions and still making extra
money on 2disc versions.
09-09-09 | 07:34 PM
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i would be happy if that was true, but dvdactive already posted a trade ad with cover pictures and there was just a widescreen theatrical dvd edition.
although the bluray has also been listed as 2 and 3 disc version by different sites, so i guess we have to wait for final confirmation!
maybe warner wanted to test customer reaction that way
as some time remains until december, i haven`t lost complete hope that warner comes to their senses until then
like i mentioned before, they were able to do so with the friday the 13th
extended cut as well. i think from a financial standpoint they would lose
money if they just released the directors cut on dvd.
then again i am already much more relaxed doubt three minutes will
make a hell of a difference
when i first read the dvd announcement there was talk of a 135 minute dc, so 20 minutes would have probably changed more.
anyhow, thanks for the dvdtown link! keeping my fingers crossed, but pictures usually speak more than words
although the bluray has also been listed as 2 and 3 disc version by different sites, so i guess we have to wait for final confirmation!
maybe warner wanted to test customer reaction that way
as some time remains until december, i haven`t lost complete hope that warner comes to their senses until then
like i mentioned before, they were able to do so with the friday the 13th
extended cut as well. i think from a financial standpoint they would lose
money if they just released the directors cut on dvd.
then again i am already much more relaxed
doubt three minutes will make a hell of a difference
when i first read the dvd announcement there was talk of a 135 minute dc, so 20 minutes would have probably changed more.
anyhow, thanks for the dvdtown link! keeping my fingers crossed, but pictures usually speak more than words
just misinterpreted some infos?
09-09-09 | 07:37 PM
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Seriously? Buy a crappy Bluray player now? What are you guys on? This isn't the same point in the format lifecycle where $100 would get me a solid player like it does with DVD right now. It's more like me going out and buying a Cyberhome POS for $30 that will last 3 months if I'm lucky. That sales approach might work on Joe Dumbass shopping at WalMart, and you obviously must think that those of us who haven't converted are about as smart. I gave you guys more credit than that. I thought everyone was here because of our love of movies, not trying to con people into a format at any cost. Thanks for correcting that misconception for me.
When I go completely HD, I'll be more than happy to pay for the quality I want, and by then it will be more affordable.
When I go completely HD, I'll be more than happy to pay for the quality I want, and by then it will be more affordable.
09-09-09 | 07:39 PM
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Seriously? Buy a crappy Bluray player now? What are you guys on? This isn't the same point in the format lifecycle where $100 would get me a solid player like it does with DVD right now. It's more like me going out and buying a Cyberhome POS for $30 that will last 3 months if I'm lucky. That sales approach might work on Joe Dumbass shopping at WalMart, and you obviously must think that those of us who haven't converted are about as smart. I gave you guys more credit than that. I thought everyone was here because of our love of movies, not trying to con people into a format at any cost. Thanks for correcting that misconception for me.
When I go completely HD, I'll be more than happy to pay for the quality I want, and by then it will be more affordable.
When I go completely HD, I'll be more than happy to pay for the quality I want, and by then it will be more affordable.
09-09-09 | 07:45 PM
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philip74 & chris_sc77, I used to think exactly like you guys but c'mon let's face it Blu-Ray is taking over & this exclusive stuff won't stop. You might as well join in....
09-09-09 | 07:51 PM
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"We accept her! We accept her! One of us! One of us! Gooble gobble, gooble gobble! One of us! One of us!"
09-09-09 | 08:12 PM
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Just send yur concerns to WB., let them know how you feel about the subject, I did!
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09-09-09 | 08:21 PM
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/\ Be sure to post any reponses you may recieve from WB. I'd be shocked to see any at all.
As an SD buyer myself, I have no concern when titles have better features on the BluRay side. Why not reward those who've adopted to the new technology? It's not as if they are completely neglecting the SD market. They are still releasing the films intact. Should a studio start releasing to BluRay only, or even only offering SD a fullscreen only edition, I could see getting angry. But special features?
Many people are too fast to start kicking sand without seeing the price point in the weeks after it's street date, leading up to X-Mas. I wouldn't be shocked if it hit $10 before the end of December, following the same model as Gran Torino, He's Just Not That Into You, and Watchmen. The noise from a small group over the lack of special features won't be nearly as significant as the masses who will snatch up the title at a cheap price point, oblivious to any special features at all.
As an SD buyer myself, I have no concern when titles have better features on the BluRay side. Why not reward those who've adopted to the new technology? It's not as if they are completely neglecting the SD market. They are still releasing the films intact. Should a studio start releasing to BluRay only, or even only offering SD a fullscreen only edition, I could see getting angry. But special features?
Many people are too fast to start kicking sand without seeing the price point in the weeks after it's street date, leading up to X-Mas. I wouldn't be shocked if it hit $10 before the end of December, following the same model as Gran Torino, He's Just Not That Into You, and Watchmen. The noise from a small group over the lack of special features won't be nearly as significant as the masses who will snatch up the title at a cheap price point, oblivious to any special features at all.
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